10 hours ago, kwilco said:

No you didn't, your comments on the roads on Samui is made TOTALLY without reason - you are just blurting out untutored unthought out and unreasoned cliches

 

You seem to have lost the thread of replies a bit; it was @qwab32 that made the comments on the roads on Samui, not myself; that notwithstanding, it might be helpful if you were not so angry and aggressive with all your replies to people.

 

It would also help if you had ever driven on Samui, so that you could offer some instructive first hand experience, rather than continually using gainsaying contradiction.

 

You also failed to answer as to why his comments made him a bad driver.

 

 

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

Indeed.. condolences

But I was meaning the Thai authorities who do nothing to curb the bike rental business, and the renters who are happy to rent-out to unqualified riders with no protective equipment or experience in many cases.

profit over safety.

Isn't it a kind of reversal of perpetrator and victim?

You blame rental business/authorities instead of this stupid guy/standing for all renters?

Blame his parents even?

(Personal: my kids were always  nudging me buying a scooter/motorbike. But instead I bought 2 cars for them because of safety reasons)

14 hours ago, barmatt said:

Young and reckless, we've all been there doing stupid things thinking we're invincible. RIP

No, we're not. Not at all

17 hours ago, joedee said:

People don't wear helmets because it is not enforced enough by the Police.

If the Police enforce this rule more, people will wear a helmet.

If enforcement is continued, then people will wear helmets as a habit.

It takes time but continued enforcement works. 

I work in Goa in India. 20 years ago nearly nobody wore a helmet here.

Now nearly nobody travels without one. Due to police enforcement..

The Police and Government should implement stronger enforcement and ongoing

road safety messages in all media channels.

What a nonsense😂:

"People don't wear helmets because it is not enforced"

Is it so???

The police should protect you because you are too stupid to see the life-saving benefit of wearing a protective helmet???

Ridiculous 😜 

 

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

Indeed.. condolences

But I was meaning the Thai authorities who do nothing to curb the bike rental business, and the renters who are happy to rent-out to unqualified riders with no protective equipment or experience in many cases.

profit over safety.

 

 

This is indeed a big part of the problem. It is easy, and in some ways correct, to blame young inexperienced riders for renting bikes / scooters, but if the laws were properly applied a lot of them would be prevented from renting.

 

On Samui anyone can rent a scooter anywhere on the island, without showing an ability to ride license; they only want your passport in order to secure their property … as you say, profit over safety.

 

 

12 hours ago, frank83628 said:

A tourist renting a bike while on island hopping holiday isn't going to buy or carry a full face helmet.

He can rent together with the bike 

32 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

He can rent together with the bike 

Never seen any full face helmets in scooter rental shops.

14 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

His next what?

To die

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Never seen any full face helmets in scooter rental shops.

I have, you don't. And...?

55 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

(Personal: my kids were always  nudging me buying a scooter/motorbike. But instead I bought 2 cars for them because of safety reasons)

And I'm sure you made sure they had lessons and past the tests before going solo...

That was my point in my post, renters should not be hiring out bikes to non-motorcycle riders without proof of a motorcycle licence from their home country.\

No licence, no bike...

 

3 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

I have, you don't. And...?

I'd bet money you have NOT seen scooter reantal shops offereing full face helmets with scooters big bike shops maybe. 

 

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

I'd bet money you have NOT seen scooter reantal shops offereing full face helmets with scooters big bike shops maybe. 

 

In BKK available. Maybe not for you. Only smaller sizes

4 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

And I'm sure you made sure they had lessons and past the tests before going solo...

That was my point in my post, renters should not be hiring out bikes to non-motorcycle riders without proof of a motorcycle licence from their home country.\

No licence, no bike...

 

Yes, that's necessary. And easy to do.

(Driving lessons in EU varies. Most around 40 hrs/day/night.) And in Ireland still with the "L" sticker)

Just now, newbee2022 said:

In BKK available. Maybe not for you. Only smaller sizes

The accident was in samui. The percentage of tourists that would rent a scooter in Bkk is practically 0

15 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

And I'm sure you made sure they had lessons and past the tests before going solo...

That was my point in my post, renters should not be hiring out bikes to non-motorcycle riders without proof of a motorcycle licence from their home country.\

No licence, no bike...

 

I remember first renting a big motorbike in chiang mai and attempted learning how to split lanes in traffic with no experience. I didnt know any better and my experience of thailand wouldnt be the same if it were regulated

6 hours ago, kwilco said:

Road safety is a public health issue and in all countries with low death and injury rates it is planned by the government. You don't have a clue, do you? As a foreigner in Thailand with that attitude, you are not only a danger to yourself, you are a danger to others.

But this is Thailand, notnother countries. 

1 hour ago, newbee2022 said:

What a nonsense😂:

"People don't wear helmets because it is not enforced"

Is it so???

The police should protect you because you are too stupid to see the life-saving benefit of wearing a protective helmet???

Ridiculous 😜 

 

 

 

No, the nonsense is all from you. Governments often need to bring in legislation that forces people to take measures to protect their own safety. We saw this in the UK when in 1983 it became a legal requirement to wear a seat belt for the driver and front passenger; after a few prosecutions, the vast majority of drivers adhered to the new law, saving thousands of lives.

 

You can witness it every day in Thailand; on the main Phetkasem road between Cha-am and Hua Hin, you rarely see a rider without a helmet, simply because the law is enforced on that stretch of road.

 

But as soon as you turn off the main road, you rarely see anyone wearing one. The enforcement of road safety laws works and saves lives, it is why governments worldwide spend billions on road safety measures, car safety measures, and pedestrian safety measures; to call it ridiculous shows a complete lack of understanding about the myriad issues of road safety.   

 

 

 

 

19 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

RIP, way too young.

In my 20 years there I avoided riding on motorbikes, the roads are just too dangerous to be on 2 wheels.

 

30 years riding big bikes in Thailand and no serious incidents so far, touch wood. 

 

Foreigners need to understand the way Thai traffic works, and how Thai drivers act.

 

Most don't unfortunately, and so many are not competent to ride bikes, regardless of their understanding of, and experience on Thai roads. 

This is nothing to do with the roads in Thailand I've lived here for 23 years ride a bike everyday and watch how many idiots are riding bikes like complete morons, no helmets no clothes and no fing clue they arrive at the airport and leave their brains there. 

What people don't understand is very simple people from Russia drive different to Chinese and again Americans or Australians then they come here and all hell breaks loose. 

22 hours ago, Jiggo said:

Terrible news for the family 

Just can't work out why riders refuse to wear a crash helmet in Thailand, both locals and visitors, go to Vietnam every one obeys the law, Cambodia most do, Malaysia seem to remember the same.

 

Rental crash helmets smell bad and dirty too. Missus used to buy own helmet when renting bikes in vietnam. Many helmets were barely usable with many lacking sturdy snap ons straps. Many rental bikers are not used to wearing helmets too. It is uncomfortable and messes up their hair. 

Samui has huge number of bike accidents because of illegal unqualified tourists bikers. Maybe samui authority can learn from vietnam Danang bike rental shop that also rent electric bikes for those unlicensed bikers as it is slower (maximum speed is only 50 Kms) . 

7 minutes ago, Ctkong said:

Samui has huge number of bike accidents because of illegal unqualified tourists bikers. Maybe samui authority can learn from vietnam Danang bike rental shop that also rent electric bikes for those unlicensed bikers as it is slower (maximum speed is only 50 Kms) . 

Quite a few places rent out electric scooters on Samui.

 

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5 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

 

30 years riding big bikes in Thailand and no serious incidents so far, touch wood. 

 

Foreigners need to understand the way Thai traffic works, and how Thai drivers act.

 

Most don't unfortunately, and so many are not competent to ride bikes, regardless of their understanding of, and experience on Thai roads. 

I accept that, but it's the millions of the Thais driving who shouldn't be that worry me!

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2 hours ago, Ctkong said:

Samui has huge number of bike accidents because of illegal unqualified tourists bikers. Maybe samui authority can learn from vietnam Danang bike rental shop that also rent electric bikes for those unlicensed bikers as it is slower (maximum speed is only 50 Kms) . 

As well as impaired driving from booze/drugs.

27 minutes ago, Andrew65 said:

I accept that, but it's the millions of the Thais driving who shouldn't be that worry me!

 

Absolutely; last Songkran, the police stopped a total of 279,873 vehicles for examination, and action was taken against 39,611 traffic offenders — including a staggering 11,013 for driving without a licence - so if your vehicle was hit by one of those they wouldn’t even be insured ….. and that’s probably just the tip of an enormous iceberg.

 

 

20 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Absolutely; last Songkran, the police stopped a total of 279,873 vehicles for examination, and action was taken against 39,611 traffic offenders — including a staggering 11,013 for driving without a licence - so if your vehicle was hit by one of those they wouldn’t even be insured ….. and that’s probably just the tip of an enormous iceberg.

 

 

I lived in Bangkok from 1998-2018, and Thailand will always be a very special place for me. But the only time of year that I didn't want to be there was Songkhran week! IMHO, a real pain in the ***.

2 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

I lived in Bangkok from 1998-2018, and Thailand will always be a very special place for me. But the only time of year that I didn't want to be there was Songkhran week! IMHO, a real pain in the ***.

 

Thankfully, it only lasts for one day here on Koh Samui.

Very dangerous for a motorbike rider though.

A full buck of ice cold water - with ice cubes, thrown straight in your face!

Back in 2016, just a week after my 28th birthday, I had a serious accident in Chaiyaphum—one that nearly cost me my life. My heart actually stopped, and I was on the verge of not coming back.
 

I lost consciousness, and the doctors had to inject adrenaline to restart my heart. I ended up with 37 stitches over my right eye. All things considered, I was incredibly lucky. Even though I spent a week in the ICU, my hospital bill was only around 10,000 baht.
 

I still remember the doctor who was stitching me up when I woke up. He didn’t sugarcoat anything—he told me my heart had stopped and my blood pressure had been dangerously low. Then he simply said, “Close your eyes, stay calm, and I’ll make sure you’ll be okay.”
 

I owe so much to that man. He was the ICU doctor that day at Chaiyaphum Government Hospital, and he quite literally saved my life. That hospital might not have the best reputation, but for me, they were nothing short of amazing.
 

Seeing news like this really hits home. I know exactly what it feels like, and just how fragile life can be. I’m 37 now, and I hardly ever ride a motorcycle anymore—these streets are wild. Please, stay safe out there.

RIP to that young man. My deepest condolences to his family.