PETITION to Urge Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. to immediately ban COVID vaccines and investigate

[fredwiggy]

6 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Haha, there you go again repeating fiction written in the MSM 'seeing as Korea was helping Russia' there is no proof NK have troops fighting, its purely unverifiable speculation by the US, SK, Ukrainian agencies, Russia or No certainly haven't confirmed this...Thanks to Trump we've learnt that 9 of 10 media outlets in Ukraine were funded by USAID... so basically the US war propaganda machine. 'But old timers can seperate fact from fiction'

 

Same goes for everything we were told about COVID, any alternative information was shut down totally....

The MSM were banging on about COVID nonstop, then overnight they switched to Ukraine and COVID just vanished into thin air, since Jan Ukraine has died off and they switched to nonstop Trump.... 

I expect you all did here too... flipped from one to the next, each time repeating everytjing the MSM tells you

I figured you were a Trump fan, believing everything your hero says. I don't watch MSN.

[fredwiggy]

6 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Multiple studies have established a link. They were turned down by the CDC and I can't post them here. Why? Up to people to use their common sense and rationality to draw their conclusions.

I go by proof, not opinions.

[pomchop]

Damn you mean I could have died with a tube stuck down my throat if only I had listened to some deeply disturbed conspiracy theory idiots rather than take a simple shot? 

 

Shucks I also missed my chance at immortal idiocy by not sticking a bright light up my butt and drinking bleach.

[rattlesnake]

36 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I go by proof, not opinions.

 

So do I.

 

As I said, the proof is there, the only thing separating you from it is the thin veil of credibility and authority the "fact-checkers" and "science community" are cloaked in.

 

The door is open and the choice to go through it or not is yours.

[rattlesnake]

24 minutes ago, pomchop said:

Shucks I also missed my chance at immortal idiocy by not sticking a bright light up my butt and drinking bleach.

 

Trump was talking about chlorine dioxide and he was right.

 

Inhibition of the Binding of Variants of SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus Spike Protein to a Human Receptor by Chlorine Dioxide

https://www.remedypublications.com/open-access/inhibition-of-the-binding-of-variants-of-sars-cov-2-coronavirus-spike-7364.pdf

 

"These findings show that chlorine dioxide aqueous solution can inactivate the binding of the variant spike proteins to the human ACE2 receptor protein, indicating that this strategy may be useful in blocking the transmission of variant SARS-CoV-2 viruses."
 

 

Protective effect of low-concentration chlorine dioxide gas against influenza A virus infection

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18089729/
 

 

Evaluation of the antiviral activity of chlorine dioxide and sodium hypochlorite against feline calicivirus, human influenza virus, measles virus, canine distemper virus, human herpesvirus, human adenovirus, canine adenovirus and canine parvovirus

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20616431/

[rattlesnake]

Sinovac, first domino to topple? The company reportedly going bankrupt amidst a side effect and financial scandal.

 

 

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

So do I.

 

As I said, the proof is there, the only thing separating you from it is the thin veil of credibility and authority the "fact-checkers" and "science community" are cloaked in.

 

The door is open and the choice to go through it or not is yours.

I've seen no proof and only conjecture, some saying the vaccines are responsible for killing people. That people have died after getting a shot isn't proof, as they could have had something wrong with them already. Saying there are thousands of deaths from the vaccine is ludicrous, especially without proof. Who to believe. seeing much of news is opinions. People have proof right in front of them and they'll deny it if they don't like the writer or politician involved.

[rattlesnake]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

I've seen no proof and only conjecture, some saying the vaccines are responsible for killing people. That people have died after getting a shot isn't proof, as they could have had something wrong with them already. Saying there are thousands of deaths from the vaccine is ludicrous, especially without proof. Who to believe. seeing much of news is opinions. People have proof right in front of them and they'll deny it if they don't like the writer or politician involved.

 

You're not prepared or willing to look at the material, that's fine.

[fredwiggy]

3 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Trump was talking about chlorine dioxide and he was right.

 

Inhibition of the Binding of Variants of SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus Spike Protein to a Human Receptor by Chlorine Dioxide

https://www.remedypublications.com/open-access/inhibition-of-the-binding-of-variants-of-sars-cov-2-coronavirus-spike-7364.pdf

 

"These findings show that chlorine dioxide aqueous solution can inactivate the binding of the variant spike proteins to the human ACE2 receptor protein, indicating that this strategy may be useful in blocking the transmission of variant SARS-CoV-2 viruses."
 

 

Protective effect of low-concentration chlorine dioxide gas against influenza A virus infection

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18089729/
 

 

Evaluation of the antiviral activity of chlorine dioxide and sodium hypochlorite against feline calicivirus, human influenza virus, measles virus, canine distemper virus, human herpesvirus, human adenovirus, canine adenovirus and canine parvovirus

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20616431/

Trump was asking the one beside him if they thought disinfectant would help, along with UV. This is what he's done all along, and then taking credit for it. No matter how much one loves this man, you can't believe everything he says as he's said some very ridiculous things over the years, which are very easy to research. Him talking, not other's opinions about him. I don't take sides, preferring to wait for hard evidence.

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

You're not prepared or willing to look at the material, that's fine.

I'd like to see proof where the vaccine has killed anyone, definite proof, without them having morbidities that could have been the reason. If I see it, I'll believe it, but that still doesn't deny that millions have possibly been saved by having a vaccine. No one can really tell if they actually needed it or not, as Covid doesn't hurt the majority who are exposed to it anyway.

[rattlesnake]

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Trump was asking the one beside him if they thought disinfectant would help, along with UV. This is what he's done all along, and then taking credit for it. No matter how much one loves this man, you can't believe everything he says as he's said some very ridiculous things over the years, which are very easy to research. Him talking, not other's opinions about him. I don't take sides, preferring to wait for hard evidence.

 

Trump repeatedly endorsed the vaccine and yet many of his supporters did.not take it. How do you explain this contradiction?

[pomchop]

So some people have adverse reaction to almost any and every drug or vax ever invented...meantime covid and many other vaxs have literally saved billions from death or horrible diseases...

 

But lets get rid of the vax that saved billions and worry about the relatively few that had a bad reaction which may have been the vax or may have been some prexisting condition?

 

Great idea if you like death and mayhem more than science and using what is available that has proven to save lives and stop many diseases.

[save the frogs]

16 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

 

American kids get 80 vaxxes before they reach teens. C'mon man; can't you see the truth?

exactly. we have all had a boatload of vaccines and we are all still alive.

so your thesis that vaccines kill people is highly flawed.

many elderly people take the flu vaccine for 30 years.

some vaccines may not be as effective as claimed. so for the flu vaccine, the worst case scenario is it is giving people a false sense of security. 

 

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Trump repeatedly endorsed the vaccine and yet many of his supporters did.not take it. How do you explain this contradiction?

Politicians cannot be trusted? Even though they voted him in, many don't really trust him. He was the better of two evils and the other side was too weak.

[frank83628]

3 hours ago, worgeordie said:

We should have listened to the great medical expert Donald  J Trump, bleach was the way to go,

just flush your insides out and your good to go , My wife and I have had 4 injections each and

have suffered no symptoms ,we both have had Covid ,twice but the symptoms were so mild the

first time only by testing did we find out. Why so many Americans have had reactions to the vaccines

who knows ? 

 

regards Worgeordie

You should have just skipped the trump bashin bit at the beginning instead of repeating a MSM lie and looking stipud

[xylophone]

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I've seen no proof and only conjecture, some saying the vaccines are responsible for killing people. That people have died after getting a shot isn't proof, as they could have had something wrong with them already. Saying there are thousands of deaths from the vaccine is ludicrous, especially without proof. Who to believe. seeing much of news is opinions. People have proof right in front of them and they'll deny it if they don't like the writer or politician involved.

I have seen much research done into the supposed deaths caused by the vaccine, and none of this research has shown that the vaccines were the cause, and as you quite rightly say, the deaths were caused by something entirely different.

 

Reputable medical research establishments, universities and others have come to the same conclusion and there is plenty out there to read, and these organisations which investigated these deaths are not aligned or sponsored by any organisation linked to the manufacturers of the vaccine.

 

The only people sowing the seeds of doubt are the anti-vaccine campaigners, yet they fail to look into history to find out how successful vaccines like the polio vaccine were – – in my small town in Sussex (UK) in the early 50s there was a Commer van (or similar make) which had been converted to enable it to carry a poor man who had contracted polio and who was almost completely paralysed, kept alive by some form of "iron lung" contraption.

 

However he could manage to speak for short periods of time and he was taken round the schools to give a "lecture" on what polio was all about and why vaccinations were vitally important to save children ending up like him – – I've got to say that it was very moving and us kids would point and wave when the Van drove past us.

 

About five years later I made friends with a boy at my school who was crippled with polio from the waist down and who had to be wheeled around in his wheelchair, a chore which I gleefully took on board as his carer at school, and we had some great laughs, but we both knew that there was no chance of him ever regaining the use of his legs, however he still got on with life as it was.

 

I lost touch with him after we left school, but I did hear that he had gotten married although I'm not sure if he was able to have children, but as far as I know he was still alive when I last heard a few years back.

 

The polio vaccinations undoubtedly saved thousands of children and adults from being crippled for life, and as for the stupid poster who stated that there was no such thing as "a virus", well it only goes to prove that there are some idiots in this world and he along with RFK and his boss should be locked away.

[worgeordie]

10 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

You should have just skipped the trump bashin bit at the beginning instead of repeating a MSM lie and looking stipud

 So he did not say just that ....stupid ,   we must not tell any truth about Donald

he's special ,that's when you know your in a cult when you cannot hear the truth

 

regards Worgeordie

[frank83628]

Just now, worgeordie said:

 So he did not say just that ....stupid ,   we must not tell any truth about Donald

he's special ,that's when you know your in a cult when you cannot hear the truth

 

regards Worgeordie

No, he didn not say to inject bleach, that is the media lying to you and you not caring.

[worgeordie]

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Oh dear...

First - Trump is NOT a medical expert and never claimed to be one. 

Second - Trump NEVER said that people should inject bleach to kill the virus. 

                 His words and context were deliberately twisted into that fake nonsense claim.

Third - It was actually Biden who stated that he former president once told people to "inject a little bleach in your arm; it'd be all right."

             Biden used that false claim, as a cheap shot at his opponent. 

 

I don't trust fact-checkers, but credit where credit is due and the Snopes Fact-Check provides the full story in all its details. 

> Fact Check: Trump Didn't Advise People to 'Inject Bleach' to Treat COVID-19. But This Is What He Did Say

Link: https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-trump-didnt-advise-233300994.html

I) I didn't say inject bleach ,I said flush your  body with it ,which was what

Trump said  basically ,  2) him been an medical expert ,have you heard of sarcasm ? ,no

way i would actually think of Trump as an expert of anything ,Oh what he is

an expert in bankruptcies , yes he's excellent at that ,   

 

regards worgeordie 

[NativeBob]

7 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Reuters is one of the few unbiased agencies

Ok.  

[Stiddle Mump]

4 hours ago, rumak said:

 

I agree with you ... about the "fear" factor.   Unlike the people that created such fear with the covid hysteria .. to lock people down , mess with their livelihoods , to scare and coercing the world into getting those shots ............. I do NOT believe that those of us here are trying to stop others for any reason other than stopping the shots, PERIOD.

 

I for one don't give a hoot about the jerks here who simply post childish ,  obnoxious names and ad hominems at me and others.  They are stupid.  Period. 

 

Just one more thing ( you won't see me again till ??   )    The experimental shots were manufactured in many places......... and the majority of bad cases were from certain lots.  There is indeed a big story ( conspiracy theory, of course ) .... that it was intended to have different strengths,  ingredients that would be given in different areas.           

 

Thailand was not subjected to the really "bad batches"  and therefore a much lesser degree of people with bad reactions.    Also Thais are healthier .   But everyone i know still got sick .    oh, except me, my lady,  and the other nutters posting here

 

take care Fred 

www.howbdismybatch.com

[Stiddle Mump]

3 hours ago, Anthony mellows said:

Your opinion is dangerous.Go back to your home and study the science.

I've studied the science for decades Anthony. Still doing so.

 

And, still can't find any evidence for a virus existing (any virus) ; let alone causing illness.

[Stiddle Mump]

2 hours ago, xylophone said:

The polio vaccinations undoubtedly saved thousands of children and adults from being crippled for life, and as for the stupid poster who stated that there was no such thing as "a virus", well it only goes to prove that there are some idiots in this world and he along with RFK and his boss should be locked away.

You could be referring to me Sir.

 

I have said repeatedly that; ''I can't find any evidence for a virus (any virus) existing; let alone causing illness.''

 

Why not do some research yourself? Instead of simply watching the BBC and /or CNN for your info?

[atpeace]

2 hours ago, xylophone said:

I have seen much research done into the supposed deaths caused by the vaccine, and none of this research has shown that the vaccines were the cause, and as you quite rightly say, the deaths were caused by something entirely different.

 

Reputable medical research establishments, universities and others have come to the same conclusion and there is plenty out there to read, and these organisations which investigated these deaths are not aligned or sponsored by any organisation linked to the manufacturers of the vaccine.

 

The only people sowing the seeds of doubt are the anti-vaccine campaigners, yet they fail to look into history to find out how successful vaccines like the polio vaccine were – – in my small town in Sussex (UK) in the early 50s there was a Commer van (or similar make) which had been converted to enable it to carry a poor man who had contracted polio and who was almost completely paralysed, kept alive by some form of "iron lung" contraption.

 

However he could manage to speak for short periods of time and he was taken round the schools to give a "lecture" on what polio was all about and why vaccinations were vitally important to save children ending up like him – – I've got to say that it was very moving and us kids would point and wave when the Van drove past us.

 

About five years later I made friends with a boy at my school who was crippled with polio from the waist down and who had to be wheeled around in his wheelchair, a chore which I gleefully took on board as his carer at school, and we had some great laughs, but we both knew that there was no chance of him ever regaining the use of his legs, however he still got on with life as it was.

 

I lost touch with him after we left school, but I did hear that he had gotten married although I'm not sure if he was able to have children, but as far as I know he was still alive when I last heard a few years back.

 

The polio vaccinations undoubtedly saved thousands of children and adults from being crippled for life, and as for the stupid poster who stated that there was no such thing as "a virus", well it only goes to prove that there are some idiots in this world and he along with RFK and his boss should be locked away.

Interesing post but you are cherry picking.  I aggree the polio vaccine had a dramatic possitive impact. Not so sure about Covid vacines.  It was rolled out during a period of chaos and I serriously doubt almost all Covid data on both sides.

[cjinchiangrai]

48 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

You could be referring to me Sir.

 

I have said repeatedly that; ''I can't find any evidence for a virus (any virus) existing; let alone causing illness.''

 

Why not do some research yourself? Instead of simply watching the BBC and /or CNN for your info?

Fortunately, real researchers have plenty of evidence and use it to develop vaccines to save our lives. Some amateur "researcher" that only seems to find Russian sponsored Qanonsense. Is rightly ignored.

[rattlesnake]

5 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Trump was asking the one beside him if they thought disinfectant would help, along with UV. This is what he's done all along, and then taking credit for it. No matter how much one loves this man, you can't believe everything he says as he's said some very ridiculous things over the years, which are very easy to research. Him talking, not other's opinions about him. I don't take sides, preferring to wait for hard evidence.

 

Chlorine dioxide is a disinfectant indeed and again, Trump was correct when he posited it was an effective treatment for Covid.

 

Thank you for confirming he did not recommend treating Covid with household bleach, a lie still perpetuated by hordes of people who mindlessly repeat what the media say without assessing information independently.

[rattlesnake]

5 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Politicians cannot be trusted? Even though they voted him in, many don't really trust him. He was the better of two evils and the other side was too weak.

 

In other words, Trump supporters are independent-minded. I agree.

 

I appreciate your willingness to contradict yourself (c.f. your previous comment in this thread, "I figured you were a Trump fan, believing everything your hero says") in the name of exactitude.

[cjinchiangrai]

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Trump was talking about chlorine dioxide and he was right.

 

Inhibition of the Binding of Variants of SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus Spike Protein to a Human Receptor by Chlorine Dioxide

https://www.remedypublications.com/open-access/inhibition-of-the-binding-of-variants-of-sars-cov-2-coronavirus-spike-7364.pdf

 

"These findings show that chlorine dioxide aqueous solution can inactivate the binding of the variant spike proteins to the human ACE2 receptor protein, indicating that this strategy may be useful in blocking the transmission of variant SARS-CoV-2 viruses."
 

 

Protective effect of low-concentration chlorine dioxide gas against influenza A virus infection

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18089729/
 

 

Evaluation of the antiviral activity of chlorine dioxide and sodium hypochlorite against feline calicivirus, human influenza virus, measles virus, canine distemper virus, human herpesvirus, human adenovirus, canine adenovirus and canine parvovirus

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20616431/

Another name for Sodium Hypochlorite is what? More MAGA stupid in the bin.

[rattlesnake]

29 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Another name for Sodium Hypochlorite is what? More MAGA stupid in the bin.

 

Another name for 'sodium hypochlorite' is 'household bleach'. Please explain your point.

[cjinchiangrai]

9 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Another name for 'sodium hypochlorite' is 'household bleach'. Please explain your point.

Trump obviously heard something about Chlorine but is too stupid to differentiate. Your deflection failed.