July 19, 2025Jul 19 31 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said: This reply seems much the same in the BS sense. Triple fair could refer to the 62THB fare a foreigner will pay vs the 20THB for a Thai. So a suited up Thai off to his 40th floor financial office job in the city get a 20THB train ride vs a Burmese laborer who will be paying full fare to get to whatever worksite he is laboring on. Bangkok will meanwhile carry the regrettable title of “First City in the World with Discriminatory Pricing in Public Transport” based on nationality. 3X if you ride the full length of any rail line, which is very unlikely. Most tourist just hop around around between Asok, Silom, Siam, Riverside, Chatuchak. It's a subsidized discount for locals, which happens in every country, for one service or another. Which, even the locals have to register for it. Let's compare what it cost for a Thai to even enter the US, UK, EU or AU ... IF ... even possible.... ... U.S. tourist visa (B2) is $185 USD, which is a non-refundable application fee ... UK Standard Visitor visa will generally pay £115. ..Additional costs may include fees for biometrics and potential agent fees if using an agency for assistance, which can add another £100-300 ... cost for a Thai adult to get a Schengen tourist visa would be approximately 4,130 THB (90 EUR + 730 THB service fee), and for a child aged 6-12, it would be approximately 2,430 THB (45 EUR + 730 THB service fee) ... For Thai nationals, the cost of an Australian tourist visa (subclass 600) is AUD 195 if applying from outside Australia ... For US citizens traveling to most European countries, a visa is not required for stays under 90 days ... For U.S. citizens visiting the UK for tourism, an Electronic Travel Authorization (ETA) is required. The cost for an ETA is £10 (approximately $12.50) ... For U.S. citizens visiting Australia as tourists, the most common visa option is the Electronic Travel Authority (ETA), which costs AUD 20 Lets not forget .... citizens of the US, UK, EU countries, and Australia are generally visa-exempt for tourism in Thailand for a period of up to 60 days Now ... who are the racist, the ones giving the locals a discount, or the ones keeping the Thais out completely, or charging Thais way more than other nationalities have to pay.
July 19, 2025Jul 19 1 hour ago, Hamus Yaigh said: vs a Burmese laborer who will be paying full fare to get to whatever worksite he is laboring on. Can't say that I've ever seen a Burmese laborer on the BTS. I do see them packed into the back of trucks, with the only door being padlocked from the outside.
July 19, 2025Jul 19 Author 10 hours ago, KhunLA said: 3X if you ride the full length I recently paid 107B for a single trip. I was surprised, I didn't know BTS can be so expensive. 10 hours ago, KhunLA said: It's a subsidized discount for locals, which happens in every country No, its subway fares based on nationality. That's very unusual, to say the least. I would be very happy if in my home town Thais had to pay three times the subway fare that I have to pay (Trump would call it "reciprocal fare"). Unfortunately, not going to happen. What visa fees have to do with this topic (LTR fees? PR fees?) is beyond me.
July 19, 2025Jul 19 Author 9 hours ago, ColeBOzbourne said: Can't say that I've ever seen a Burmese laborer on the BTS That's because most farang don't recognize a Burmese when they see one. Hint: if it looks like a Thai, walks like a Thai and speaks Burmese, it's probably a Burmese. Lots of them on the BTS. (Laotians are even more difficult to recognize, I can't tell the difference between Thai with a Lao accent from Issarn and one from Laos. Of course, if they talk about ronghmo instead of rongpayaban and don't know what is noina, then even I know)
July 20, 2025Jul 20 22 hours ago, KhunLA said: Let's compare what it cost for a Thai to even enter the US, UK, EU or AU ... IF ... even possible.... Why on earth would a right minded person want to compare this when discussing a controversial dual pricing public transport system. Why not do a comparison with the old US Jim Crow laws where blacks were forced to sit on poorly seats at the back for the same fare on public transport, that would be more appropriate than global visa prices.
July 20, 2025Jul 20 1 hour ago, Hamus Yaigh said: Why on earth would a right minded person want to compare this when discussing a controversial dual pricing public transport system. Why not do a comparison with the old US Jim Crow laws where blacks were forced to sit on poorly seats at the back for the same fare on public transport, that would be more appropriate than global visa prices. I return to USA, can go to all National Parks for free, since senior citizen. Foreign tourist fee, if buying special pass is $80 USD / ฿2600. Or if paying per park, varies, but not free, and more than US citizen at some, if not all. ... "National parks charge $30-$35 per vehicle ... Or .. Per Person/Motorcycle: Some parks charge $15 per person (if walking or biking) or $25 per motorcycle' ... If not a senior citizen, it's still cheaper as a Yank vs foreigner ... ... "Some national parks offer a "National Parks Pass" to US residents and military personnel at a lower cost than the standard entrance fee for non-US citizens" ... ... "While many UK attractions are free to enter, some historical sites and venues do charge higher entrance fees for non-UK residents." ... ... "Several European attractions are known to charge non-EU citizens more than EU citizens, a practice known as two-tiered pricing. This often applies to museums, historical sites, and sometimes .... even restaurants." ... Sounds like duel pricing to me.
July 20, 2025Jul 20 13 hours ago, Lorry said: I recently paid 107B for a single trip. No you didn't. Quote I was surprised, I didn't know BTS can be so expensive. It isn't, you made it up. The highest possible single journey fare even if you ride the whole line from Kheha to Khu Khot is 62 baht. And it is an 88 minute ride. You can get an unlimited day pass for 150 baht. https://www.bts.co.th/eng/tickets/ticket-daypass.html So tell us how you spent 107 baht for a single journey on the BTS.
July 20, 2025Jul 20 Author 2 hours ago, josephbloggs said: No you didn't. Thank you for telling me what I did and what I didn't. You want to win the prize for most moronic poster of the year? Or you want I post my Rabbit BTS history here?
July 20, 2025Jul 20 Author 2 hours ago, josephbloggs said: No you didn't. It isn't, you made it up. The highest possible single journey fare even if you ride the whole line from Kheha to Khu Khot is 62 baht. And it is an 88 minute ride. You can get an unlimited day pass for 150 baht. https://www.bts.co.th/eng/tickets/ticket-daypass.html So tell us how you spent 107 baht for a single journey on the BTS. By swiping my rabbit card at the station I entered and by swiping again when I left. Yes, it was far. A friend of mine didn't have a rabbit card, he had to pay 107 B cash - that's how I noticed how much it was. I don't usually check how much my rabbit card deducts. But because he had to pay 107 B upfront, I checked my rabbit card, too, and, yes, I paid 107 B, too. But I am sure a hansum man like you will never pay that much. Joseph and Mary get free donkey rides, right?
July 20, 2025Jul 20 Author 3 hours ago, KhunLA said: I return to USA, can go to all National Parks for free, since senior citizen. Foreign tourist fee, if buying special pass is $80 USD / ฿2600. Or if paying per park, varies, but not free, and more than US citizen at some, if not all. ... "National parks charge $30-$35 per vehicle ... Or .. Per Person/Motorcycle: Some parks charge $15 per person (if walking or biking) or $25 per motorcycle' ... If not a senior citizen, it's still cheaper as a Yank vs foreigner ... ... "Some national parks offer a "National Parks Pass" to US residents and military personnel at a lower cost than the standard entrance fee for non-US citizens" ... ... "While many UK attractions are free to enter, some historical sites and venues do charge higher entrance fees for non-UK residents." ... ... "Several European attractions are known to charge non-EU citizens more than EU citizens, a practice known as two-tiered pricing. This often applies to museums, historical sites, and sometimes .... even restaurants." ... Sounds like duel pricing to me. Third time: this thread is about subway and Skytrain fares. Its not about national parks in the US (I am sure they are beautiful), it's not about visa fees to Lalaland, and neither about Snowwhite or the Don. All these subjects are very interesting, feel free to open threads.
July 20, 2025Jul 20 20 minutes ago, Lorry said: By swiping my rabbit card at the station I entered and by swiping again when I left. Yes, it was far. A friend of mine didn't have a rabbit card, he had to pay 107 B cash - that's how I noticed how much it was. I don't usually check how much my rabbit card deducts. But because he had to pay 107 B upfront, I checked my rabbit card, too, and, yes, I paid 107 B, too. But I am sure a hansum man like you will never pay that much. Joseph and Mary get free donkey rides, right? Still don't believe you .... station to station ???? EDIT: did find a 78 baht fare, end of Suk line / gold line to G3/ Khlong San AND ... most expensive w/transfer to Red Line ... 102 baht Feel free to key in as many destinations as you want: https://www.bts.co.th/eng/routemap-mb/
July 20, 2025Jul 20 14 minutes ago, Lorry said: Third time: this thread is about subway and Skytrain fares. Its not about national parks in the US (I am sure they are beautiful), it's not about visa fees to Lalaland, and neither about Snowwhite or the Don. All these subjects are very interesting, feel free to open threads. OK, so your OP tells us what we already know. Thais will pay 20 baht flat fee, and others, posted fare, and at present, up to 62 baht as max fare. For MRT, max at 45 baht. Now go to the bar and pay 100 baht for a small beer. Dual pricing exist worldwide, get over yourself.
July 20, 2025Jul 20 4 hours ago, KhunLA said: "While many UK attractions are free to enter, some historical sites and venues do charge higher entrance fees for non-UK residents." There you go again. Whilst untrue anyway, prices are same for foreigners as UK residents unless the UK resident has joined a membership scheme usually, this has nothing to do with discrimination by race on public transport in Thailand. Stop deflecting. On a positive note three of the 8 rail lines in Bangkok (Green, Gold and ARL) won't be able to get dual pricing without a new act of parliament before the end of July tbc.
July 20, 2025Jul 20 23 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said: There you go again. Whilst untrue anyway, prices are same for foreigners as UK residents unless the UK resident has joined a membership scheme usually, this has nothing to do with discrimination by race on public transport in Thailand. Stop deflecting. On a positive note three of the 8 rail lines in Bangkok (Green, Gold and ARL) won't be able to get dual pricing without a new act of parliament before the end of July tbc. Same in TH, to get the 20 baht fare, have to register for some scheme, same as 'membership' in UK for UK citizen. Not seeing any difference. Thais don't join the scheme, pay same as foreigners. Don't know what's so hard to accept. Other countries have duel pricing, just like TH.
July 20, 2025Jul 20 Author 1 hour ago, KhunLA said: AND ... most expensive w/transfer to Red Line ... 102 baht There are more colors in the universe than der and green. And it helpsto go to the real world, leaving the internet at home.
July 20, 2025Jul 20 5 minutes ago, Lorry said: There are more colors in the universe than der and green. And it helpsto go to the real world, leaving the internet at home. There's a difference between me & you, I didn't make some story about a fake 107 baht fare. You've yet to tell what point to point that was. I keyed in every long journey I could think of, even crossed lines, and no 107 baht fare. I just stated facts, other countries have dual pricing with foreigners paying more. Just like TH. BYE BYE
July 20, 2025Jul 20 Author 4 minutes ago, KhunLA said: Other countries have duel pricing, just like TH. Thx a lot for enlightening me. Duelling with BTS staff for the price, sounds exciting. Pistols? But please tell me which countries do have dual pricing for the subway, based on nationality. Oh, wait...my country has it. Ukrainians can use the subway for free (my country is not Ukraine). Is this one of your examples?
July 20, 2025Jul 20 43 minutes ago, KhunLA said: I keyed in every long journey I could think of, even crossed lines, and no 107 baht fare. I'll admit, at first I also thought 107 baht sounded too high... but as you figured out, it must be across multiple lines. If anyone wants to argue this isn't a single trip, fine, but it does say 'Single Journey card" on the BTS website 🙂
July 20, 2025Jul 20 2 minutes ago, VR333 said: I'll admit, at first I also thought 107 baht sounded too high... but as you figured out, it must be across multiple lines. If anyone wants to argue this isn't a single trip, fine, but it does say 'Single Journey card" on the BTS website 🙂 Nice find, as I thought I keyed 'em all in, longest ones I could think of. Now, is that really the stops he used ? Something I would do, just for sightseeing. Actually, I'd probably just hop back on, and not leave the station if nothing of interest there. Get off elsewhere & munch. Though that does have to be in a certain time limit, and if crossing lines, might not matter. Been so long since I've been on the BTS.
July 20, 2025Jul 20 Author 1 hour ago, KhunLA said: I keyed in every long journey I could think of Seems, thoughts are too limited. Oh, and "key in" is not the same as take a train in the real world.
July 20, 2025Jul 20 I know this might be viewed as a stupid question........but are they increasing rolling stock and the frequency of the trains?
July 20, 2025Jul 20 Author 25 minutes ago, VR333 said: I'll admit, at first I also thought 107 baht sounded too high... but as you figured out, it must be across multiple lines. If anyone wants to argue this isn't a single trip, fine, but it does say 'Single Journey card" on the BTS website 🙂 Nice find. It wasn't Nonthaburi Civic Center, but a nearby station (can't remember the name) - the one closest to Nonthaburi pier. We ended up there, because my friend wanted to take the Express boat to Nonthaburi. Turned out, the market area near the pier is nice for walking around. And we didn't travel all the way to Kheha, just back to Onnut. When the staff said "107 B" I couldn't believe it, just like @josephbloggs. So they told me, it would be cheaper to pay only the fare to Wat Phra Sri Mahathat, and then pay again. My friend did that (I used my rabbit card, scanned only once 107 B for the whole trip). He payed 45 Baht and then again 62 Baht. Maybe that staff was trained by Joseph.
July 20, 2025Jul 20 Author 13 minutes ago, Will B Good said: I know this might be viewed as a stupid question........but are they increasing rolling stock and the frequency of the trains? If you take the BTS regularly you will notice that frequency is always decreased, especially in the outlying areas, like north of Kasetsart or south of Samrong.
July 20, 2025Jul 20 3 minutes ago, Lorry said: If you take the BTS regularly you will notice that frequency is always decreased, especially in the outlying areas, like north of Kasetsart or south of Samrong. So the impact of this flat rate could hit you re crowding.
July 20, 2025Jul 20 Author 1 minute ago, Will B Good said: So the impact of this flat rate could hit you re crowding. Their ideal is the Tokyo Subway, not the Orient Express. Take the cattle wagons to Bang Khae, no seating.
July 20, 2025Jul 20 3 minutes ago, Lorry said: Their ideal is the Tokyo Subway, not the Orient Express. Take the cattle wagons to Bang Khae, no seating. Fun, fun, fun....555
July 20, 2025Jul 20 On 4/13/2025 at 11:05 AM, KhunLA said: Highest on BTS is 62, MRT is 71, I think. Unlimited day pass for all is still 150 baht. Use to get that, no matter where I was going, then give it to a Thai person, at the end of my journey day. 👍
July 20, 2025Jul 20 40 minutes ago, Lorry said: Nice find. It wasn't Nonthaburi Civic Center, but a nearby station (can't remember the name) - the one closest to Nonthaburi pier. We ended up there, because my friend wanted to take the Express boat to Nonthaburi. Turned out, the market area near the pier is nice for walking around. And we didn't travel all the way to Kheha, just back to Onnut. When the staff said "107 B" I couldn't believe it, just like @josephbloggs. So they told me, it would be cheaper to pay only the fare to Wat Phra Sri Mahathat, and then pay again. My friend did that (I used my rabbit card, scanned only once 107 B for the whole trip). He payed 45 Baht and then again 62 Baht. Maybe that staff was trained by Joseph. Ok, that makes it clearer. So you went across multiple lines that aren't integrated - they are separate fares on the Green and then pink lines. You exit the paid area on the green line and then enter a new paid area on the pink line, ergo two separate trips. As I correctly stated the most expensive single trip is 62 baht. I'll take it back that you made it up, but you definitely were misleading, albeit I am sure not deliberately. You could spend 62 baht on the green line, then go take a trip on the MRT, then do the red line, then one of the monorails and then the ARL and complain that it's expensive on the train for a journey. Easy to mislead.
July 20, 2025Jul 20 3 hours ago, KhunLA said: Same in TH, to get the 20 baht fare, have to register for some scheme, same as 'membership' in UK for UK citizen. Not seeing any difference. Thais don't join the scheme, pay same as foreigners. Its not the same! The difference is in the UK anyone on the planet can join the membership to get reduced rates whereas in Thailand they charge foreigners more and do not allow them to join membership plans, now on basic essential services like rail transport.
July 20, 2025Jul 20 On 4/12/2025 at 11:14 PM, Lorry said: https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/general/3000822/flat-train-fare-set-to-start-from-sept-30 20 Baht for Thais. My average is quite a bit more than 40 (which would be the usual double pricing), more like 60. One of my most disgusting experiences with Thailand and it's people, because it's so everyday and ubiquitous. Hundreds of people entering for 20 B, and I will be the one paying 50, 60, 80, whatever. I never cared much for the national parks (I don't care for national parks in any country), and living in a non-touristy neighbourhood of Bangkok, foreigners don't usually pay more than Thais. Institutionalized racism. Grand, isn't it.
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