China warns ,don’t appease trump

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2 minutes ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

Why wouldn't they be ?  Anyone with an IQ of 7 would understand whats coming, that to get where we need to be is going to be a struggle. Better than continuing to be bent over the barrel for the whole world to have a turn like its been since the 50's
 

. If your take on that is valid, why didn't Trump run on that instead of a prosperity without tears. Obviously, because it's wishful thinking on a massive scale.

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1 hour ago, jas007 said:

The fact is, they're talking to the Trump administration and they want to make a deal.  Whether they actually sign one doesn't seem all that important. The intent is there. 

 

As for China's threats to the West? Sure, they can threaten all they want, but that's all they are. Threats.  They can't possibly believe that they'll be taken seriously.  Like I say, the threats are an act of desperation and suggest that China is at the end of its rope if idle threats is all they can come up with. 

Do they want to make a deal? What terms would they accept? Do they want to stall for time? Will Trump be willing to accept the kind of promises Scott Bessent said would suffice?

So, Chinese threats wouldn't be taken seriously but US threats are?

[impulse]

33 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

US production of aluminium is declining, mainly due to high electricity costs. It was 670,000 tonnes in 2024, compared to imports of 4.9 million tonnes.

 

You really think America can increase domestic aluminium production seven-fold? No need to ask what you are drinking.

 

Europeans better hope Trump succeeds, in case they need another bail out when the German Russkie hoards descend on the continent.  Again. 

 

Trump looked at recent history and figured out that American industrial capacity was key to winning WW2.  That transcends economic (P&L) considerations and takes it into national security concerns.  What's that worth?

 

[bamnutsak]

Vietnam might get squeezed given their "deal" they made with trump?

 

A 1.5 Billion USD trump hotel, StarLink approved, will buy Boeing aircraft, in-bound duties on cars (Tesla?) and LNG reduced...

 

 

 

 

[Yagoda]

China likes to threaten. They are worried. Factories are closing.

 

Too much unemployment? Bye bye Tienming, 天命. Hopefully no natural disasters are coming

[Patong2021]

17 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

And what a surprise (not). As factories fall silent with cargo ships stuck in port China panics and starts wigging out.

 

Funny how leftists have such love for China and such hatred for the USA. China is right bla bla. China could easily have wiped out mankind with their lableaks and not allowing investigations, and still the forum left take their side when the US makes sincere efforts to balance the defecit. Quite sickening.

It is the way in which the USA has gone about addressing its concerns. Do you need a list of the stupid acts?

Let's start with A for Australia. The USA is running a trade surplus, and in its  disgusting greed declares that this is not good enough.

Jamieson Greer stated before the US Senate hearings, "that the USA should be running up the score".  This is what the USA is demanding.  There is a free trade agreement in effect with the USA that the USA has unilaterally violated.  Think about it. That isn't fair or reasonable trade, that is bullying and exploitation. The USA's word means nothing.

 

No one is going to rally to the USA side in this dispute because the USA chose to fight with everyone at the same time.

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10 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Europeans better hope Trump succeeds, in case they need another bail out when the German Russkie hoards descend on the continent.  Again. 

 

Trump looked at recent history and figured out that American industrial capacity was key to winning WW2.  That transcends economic (P&L) considerations and takes it into national security concerns.  What's that worth?

 

Because if there's one country Trump has it in for, it's the Russians?

[Lacessit]

17 minutes ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

Are you on drugs ? Real question, I'm concerned for you.
Theres no personal attack in my post.  I used verbiage to describe our biggest failure to date, no harm in that at all.

As for english, we're talking comprehension but you knew that. 

Asking if someone is 2 years old, or on drugs, is a personal attack. Save your false concern.

 

You don't seem to understand 50% of what is imported from China is made by American subsidiaries. Why are those companies there? Simple, labor costs are too high in the USA.

 

Americans are so used to instant gratification they voted for Trump in the expectation he would fix things overnight. Instant gratification is also why America is in the biggest debt hole on the planet.

 

The ancient Greeks said hubris is always followed by nemesis. That's where the US is now.

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14 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

China likes to threaten. They are worried. Factories are closing.

 

Too much unemployment? Bye bye Tienming, 天命. Hopefully no natural disasters are coming

Well, being worried makes sense. It's not being worried, as Trump claims to be, that's a problem. I remember when proponents of Brexit were saying they're not worried about the consequences, it's the Europeans who should be worried. The Chinese understand that both sides lose in a trade war like this. The same can't be said of Trump.

[Cameroni]

15 minutes ago, impulse said:

Europeans better hope Trump succeeds

 

Exactly right. The real nightmare would be Chinese takeover. A nation with the in-built tendency to lawlessness and criminality, some would say outright cruelty, with a real chip on their shoulder due to WWII and perceived slights by the West and Japanese, a nation like this obtaining military and economic power to occupy the world, it's a total nightmare scenario. And occupation by the Chinese would make a Japanese occupation look like a sweet weekend visit by comparison.

 

We should all pray that Trump's courageous fight to bring down China succeeds.

[Yagoda]

17 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

No one is going to rally to the USA side in this dispute because the USA chose to fight with everyone at the same time.

Bet folks will change their mind when they are being forced to learn Chinese. Remember, if you arent Han, you arent human.

[black tabby12345]

In this issue, China looks like in a lot more advantageous position.

Today, US retail giant cannot fill their shelves without their products.

And that is because of what US mega corporation started for own gain, as early as since 1970s.

They shifted their factories overseas to reduce the cost of production.

 

In 2000, US govt gave China the status of the Most Favored Nation, in terms of foreign trade.

And it has been continued by successive US administrations.

It is their policies US and its big companies that  made China this big and influential.

If American makers remained on their soil as it used to be, it didn't happen.

 

Even if US of A boycotts  Chinese goods, they only need to divert their export somewhere else(e.g. Asia).

Asia today, has got 4.83 billion people(60% of the world's population).

 

It is not the matter of whether I like or not like China, it is just a fact.

[Yagoda]

Just now, black tabby12345 said:

Even if US of A boycotts  Chinese goods, they only need to divert their export somewhere else(e.g. Asia).

Asia today, has got 4.83 billion people(60% of the world's population).

You cant fund a modern economy and feed a billion people selling 50 cent flip flips in Cambodia

[black tabby12345]

Just now, Yagoda said:

You cant fund a modern economy and feed a billion people selling 50 cent flip flips in Cambodia

 

Why name Cambodia, to talk about Asia?

Asia includes Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia as well.

And Malasia and Indonesia are rapidly growing countries.

So as their consumer goods demand.

[thesetat]

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

You cant fund a modern economy and feed a billion people selling 50 cent flip flips in Cambodia

Let them flood the other countries with their products. If anything it will drive their prices even lower for exported goods causing them more loss. Their surplus due to lack of US sales will end up costing them a lot of losses. 

By the way, did you know that Chinese make different quality depending on which country they plan to send the product to?

An example is the stuff they sell inside China is a lower quality than what would be sent to the US. Perhaps, this trade war will benefit other countries receiving a superior quality product that was mean for the US. 

[Yagoda]

3 minutes ago, thesetat said:

By the way, did you know that Chinese make different quality depending on which country they plan to send the product to?

Like Rebar?

[Yagoda]

8 minutes ago, black tabby12345 said:

Why name Cambodia, to talk about Asia?

Becasue thats where Im sitting. If I was in KL, I would have said Malaysia

 

All of Asia then. You think more cheap crap is gonna support the Chinese? Asia is already flooded with their cheap crap. 

 

You are talking about a country where half the population recycles their poop for the pigs and where they cant feed their own nation.

[black tabby12345]

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Becasue thats where Im sitting. If I was in KL, I would have said Malaysia

 

All of Asia then. You think more cheap crap is gonna support the Chinese? Asia is already flooded with their cheap crap. 

 

You are talking about a country where half the population recycles their poop for the pigs and where they cant feed their own nation.

 

Regarding the nation unable to feed own people, that looks like a direction Trump's America is heading for.

While Cambodia is still the poorest Asian nation,  at the same time, it is also the fast growing country(+5% annually), with the increasing population.

 

If you are US expat overseas, better worry about own home, instead of China.

Also good to remember one simple fact: It was US mega corporations that helped China grow up to be the huge monster as you can see today.

Without that input, they cold never get this big and powerful

 

Some pretty disturbing fact that significantly impacts US might.

It is about the ship building capability ratio between 2 nations.

Today's China  is said to have over 200 times as much as USA.

 

us and chian ship building ration - Google Search

 

 

[impulse]

42 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Because if there's one country Trump has it in for, it's the Russians?

 

It doesn't matter which hoards.  It's a fact that heavy industrial capacity has been key to winning wars.  Full stop.

 

Americans have conceded that capacity in the pursuit of cheap prices.  A lot of that on stuff that we don't even need.  I'm as guilty as most.  I upgrade my goodies when something newer and zoomier hits the shelves.  Big screen TVs and entertainment gizmos are perfect examples.  I have closets full of perfectly good stuff that I upgraded when the next thing came along.  We've been conditioned by adverts to believe that consumerism is the key to happiness.

[jas007]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Do they want to make a deal? What terms would they accept? Do they want to stall for time? Will Trump be willing to accept the kind of promises Scott Bessent said would suffice?

So, Chinese threats wouldn't be taken seriously but US threats are?

Sooner or later, both Xi and Trump are going to come to the conclusion that the tariff nonsense is not good and has to stop.  Will they admit that publicly? Probably not, but you can be sure a pathway to a deal will be found.  

 

My guess:  Trump is all bravado at times, but no one really knows what he's thinking. That's a good thing and works to his advantage. But. he needs for this to end. 

 

As for Xi?  He probably needs to make a deal even more than Trump does, and a way will be found for that to happen.   

 

My guess:  China will agree to a set of terms that seems to satisfy Trump.  After that, they'll go back to China and continue business as usual, as they always do.  They have a recent history of doing just that, right?  They'll agree to anything, and then return more or less to business as usual.

 

Bottom line:  a way will be found to end the standoff, as a cessation of trade between the US and China is in no one's interest. 

[candide]

1 hour ago, black tabby12345 said:

In this issue, China looks like in a lot more advantageous position.

Today, US retail giant cannot fill their shelves without their products.

And that is because of what US mega corporation started for own gain, as early as since 1970s.

They shifted their factories overseas to reduce the cost of production.

 

In 2000, US govt gave China the status of the Most Favored Nation, in terms of foreign trade.

And it has been continued by successive US administrations.

It is their policies US and its big companies that  made China this big and influential.

If American makers remained on their soil as it used to be, it didn't happen.

 

Even if US of A boycotts  Chinese goods, they only need to divert their export somewhere else(e.g. Asia).

Asia today, has got 4.83 billion people(60% of the world's population).

 

It is not the matter of whether I like or not like China, it is just a fact.

The high level of production outsourcing in the U.S. is also largely the cause of U.S. trade deficits with other countries too.

Other countries, for example in the EU, actually buy a lot of American brands, but they are produced in China or elsewhere. So the EU has a trade surplus with the U.S., and a trade deficit with China.

[black tabby12345]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

The high level of production outsourcing in the U.S. is also largely the cause of U.S. trade deficits with other countries too.

Other countries, for example in the EU, actually buy a lot of American brands, but they are produced in China or elsewhere. So the EU has a trade surplus with the U.S., and a trade deficit with China.

 

One fundamental cause of the US trade deficits.

Often because of their citizens' habit of Overconsumption.

Looks like it sped up particularly since Reagan Era; Reaganomics encouraged to spend more on debt.

In terms of US's huge trade deficits, it is pretty much like self-inflicted.

Merchandise won't sell without market demands.

[Lacessit]

14 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Tariffs on Australia is mainly about beef imports. Banned for 20 odd years because of a mad cow disease outbreak in the US in 2003. The 10% tariff on Australia according to all opinions I've seen will have very little impact. As for Pine Gap and North West Cape you're talking more than 50 years ago (late 60's NW Cape/early 70's pine Gap). The US will always be Australia's greatest military ally.

Pine Gap is one-third of US satellite surveillance capability. North West Cape is your communications to every submarine in the Indian Ocean. That is here and now.

 

I'd like your last sentence to be true; however, having a demented narcissist in the White House gives me no comfort.

 

When you fire two of your most experienced intelligence operatives on the word of a conspiracy theorist, what kind of message does that send to your allies? It's nuts.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgerl183j3o

[NoDisplayName]

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Even housing within China has been overproduced to such an extent that millions of condos are standing empty, ghost towns are all over the place and Chinese house prices are falling. China can't help herself,

 

"Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an Earth-shattering kaboom!"

[dinsdale]

12 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Pine Gap is one-third of US satellite surveillance capability. North West Cape is your communications to every submarine in the Indian Ocean. That is here and now.

 

I'd like your last sentence to be true; however, having a demented narcissist in the White House gives me no comfort.

 

When you fire two of your most experienced intelligence operatives on the word of a conspiracy theorist, what kind of message does that send to your allies? It's nuts.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgerl183j3o

I learnt al about these in my uni days. As for the US remaining Australia's greatest ally this will remain the case.

[NoDisplayName]

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

I think it's more likely the Chinese keep the true number of their numerous executions a state secret because if the true extent of Chinese actual execution numbers were known it would be a major embarassment to the communist party.

 

Why is the Chinese state forced to use such an extraordinarily high number of executions? Somehow I doubt it's because the Chinese are so "law-abiding" as Lacessit has claimed.

 

Crime is rampant in China. I remember talking to an American in Grand Cayman who owned several factories in remote and rural parts of China. He admonished me that if I ever go to these parts to ensure I have bodyguards, saying he always hires bodyguards, because these remote Chinese regions are lawless and full of bandits and travel there is absolutely unsafe.

 

Law-abiding citizens indeed.

 

Excellent logic.

 

I think, based on no evidence whatsoever, not even a video on the YouTubes, that these particular statistics are wrong, therefore I shall base further assumptions and conclusions on my fantasy guess and declare them beyond reproach and anyone who disagrees is a Put, errr, a Xi-bot.

 

And as proof of rampant crime, claim that random guy says he knows a random guy that overheard a random thing from some random dudes in a random Starbucks, so it's the indisputable Truth.

[NoDisplayName]

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

jamestown.org

 

Central Intelligence Agency Director William J. Casey helped back the formation of the Jamestown Foundation, agreeing with its complaints that the U.S. intelligence community did not provide sufficient funding for Soviet bloc defectors.

 

Color me surprised.

[Cameroni]

8 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

And as proof of rampant crime, claim that random guy 

 

 

"..a farmhand summed up the deteriorating public security condition in rural China: “If you raise pigs, you stand guard at the pigsty every night. If you farm cattle, you stand guard at the cowshed every night…But either way, do not even dare thinking about sleeping at home.” [1] The general trend of the state of public security in China’s countryside over the last decade is one where criminal activities of all kinds are surging steadily.."

 

China’s manufacturing boom, while providing rural laborers with employment opportunities, has unintended, if not entirely negative consequences on security in the countryside. Criminal syndicates, whether local or transplanted from the cities, are gaining greater presence in rural China. While some operate like bandits, moving from one village to another, burglarizing households and terrorizing the local populace, others maintain a more permanent presence. Local groups produce counterfeit goods, operate illegal gun-manufacturing workshops and produce drugs (particularly methamphetamines) as a quick means to escape poverty.

 

https://jamestown.org/program/rural-chinas-public-security-vacuum/

 

 

[Mavideol]

16 hours ago, Cameroni said:

In short, the US can hurt the Chinese a lot more than China can hurt Americans.

and that deserves a detailed explanation as many of us think the contrary

[NoDisplayName]

2 hours ago, thesetat said:

By the way, did you know that Chinese make different quality depending on which country they plan to send the product to?

An example is the stuff they sell inside China is a lower quality than what would be sent to the US.

 

Did you know the factories produce what the buyer requests?

 

Our problem is crappy Chinese products, but that's exactly what our buyers want.  The cheapest cost, lowest-quality goods to fill their dollar-store shelves.

 

Chinese will produce whatever you want, but if you're going to the manufacturing cities playing factories off against each other to shave pennies and cut corners, they'll give you what you ask for.