Social Media Posted Thursday at 09:50 PM Posted Thursday at 09:50 PM Why Zelensky Won’t Bargain Away Crimea — No Matter the Pressure The fate of Crimea has surged back into the heart of global diplomacy, becoming a defining obstacle in former President Donald Trump’s emerging peace plan for Ukraine. As speculation grows that Trump’s strategy could involve officially recognizing Crimea as part of Russia, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has drawn an unambiguous red line: he will not, and cannot, concede the peninsula. Although the full details of Trump’s proposal remain under wraps, reports suggest that his plan includes U.S. recognition of Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea, giving Moscow de jure — or legal — control over the region. “It was lost years ago,” Trump has reportedly said, brushing off the peninsula as “not even a part of discussion” in ongoing peace efforts. For Zelensky, however, Crimea is not a bargaining chip. It is an inseparable part of Ukraine — politically, constitutionally, and emotionally. The suggestion that the U.S. might legitimize Russia’s landgrab is more than just an affront to Ukrainian sovereignty; it’s a direct challenge to the very idea of international law. “There’s nothing to talk about here,” Zelensky declared. “This is against our constitution.” That constitution is crystal clear. Article 2 proclaims that Ukrainian sovereignty “extends throughout its entire territory” and that this territory is “indivisible and inviolable.” Any attempt to alter Ukraine’s borders must be approved by a national referendum, itself requiring the consent of Ukraine’s parliament. For Zelensky, who has repeatedly vowed to uphold the law of his nation, relinquishing Crimea would not only be unconstitutional — it would be unthinkable. He has also reminded the world that this stance isn’t new. In 2018, then-Secretary of State Mike Pompeo issued the “Crimea Declaration,” firmly rejecting Russia’s claim. Zelensky now points to that moment as evidence that the U.S. once stood solidly behind Ukraine on Crimea — and should continue to do so. For Kyiv, any reversal by Washington would represent a dangerous precedent: that force can be rewarded with legitimacy. Although it’s true, as Trump asserts, that Ukraine has little chance of regaining Crimea in the immediate future, acknowledging Russia’s claim legally would be a drastic and symbolic shift. The reality on the ground — the de facto control by Moscow — does not mean the world should accept it as lawful. In the early stages of Russia’s full-scale invasion in 2022, negotiators in Istanbul floated the idea of “parking” the Crimea issue, leaving it unresolved for 10 to 15 years while focusing on more immediate matters. While that idea failed to gain traction, it reflected an international consensus that Crimea remains a thorny, long-term issue, not something to be solved hastily. In Washington, the Biden administration had chosen a path of strategic ambiguity. Officials had repeatedly dodged direct questions on whether the U.S. would support Ukraine’s efforts to militarily retake Crimea. The goal, according to analysts, may habe been to keep the pressure on Russia without completely slamming the door on future negotiations. “They may believed that there is value in holding Crimea at risk in order to put pressure on the Russians to come to the negotiating table,” said Chris Chivvis, a former U.S. national intelligence officer and current director of the American Statecraft Program at the Carnegie Endowment. “It’s possible that that’s driving their policy… Even if they don’t actually believe that it’s likely that Crimea will be returned to Ukraine militarily.” Still, that strategy was never enough for lawmakers pushing for a clearer stance. But for Zelensky, the matter is not one of geopolitical calculation — it’s about principle, law, and the identity of a nation that refuses to forget what was taken. As he sees it, Crimea is not lost — and never will be. Adpated by ASEAN Now from BBC | Hill 2025-04-25 2 2 4 1
Popular Post Tug Posted Thursday at 10:04 PM Popular Post Posted Thursday at 10:04 PM Its also a large body of water the killers have to cross before they can murder Ukrainian patriots trying to defend their nation.its also a way to throttle Russia trying to get their goods to market.Its also a roadblock to trump’s betrayal of Ukraine and our European brothers and sisters. 4 2 1 2 3 3
Popular Post spidermike007 Posted Thursday at 10:06 PM Popular Post Posted Thursday at 10:06 PM It is an internationally accepted concept since World War II that any land amassed over the course of a war does not legally belong to the victor. The only true exception of this might be Israel which illegally seized a significant amount of land. Certainly the same applies to Russia and the pressure that Trump is putting on Zelensky to give up a very substantial portion of his nation is nauseating, pathetic, sickening, shameful and utterly desperate. In addition to showing a disgusting degree of butt kissing toward King Vlad. 1 4 2 2 3 2
Popular Post MicroB Posted Thursday at 10:15 PM Popular Post Posted Thursday at 10:15 PM It shouuld be a similar situation to Northern Cyprus; no one recognises this except for Turkey. Interestingly, Russia refuses to recognise Northern Cyprus as well. In the context of comparing the negotiations to a game of cards, Ukrainian recognition of the status the de facto status of Crimea is a bargaining chip. Without international recognition, businesses in Crimea will find it challenging to secure outside investment. Crimea is considered to have the best beaches in the region, and before the conflict, it was being reinvigorated as a resort. Before he became an exiled Youtuber in Uzbekistan, "Inside Russia" used to post harmless videos about life in Russia, including a familiy vacation in occupied Crimea 1 1 1
Nick Carter icp Posted Thursday at 10:17 PM Posted Thursday at 10:17 PM 8 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: . The only true exception of this might be Israel which illegally seized a significant amount of land. Jordan had previously ruled Judea and Jordan doesn't want it back . Its free available land for Israel to keep as no other Country claims it 2 7 3
Popular Post ExpatOilWorker Posted Thursday at 10:46 PM Popular Post Posted Thursday at 10:46 PM 40 minutes ago, spidermike007 said: It is an internationally accepted concept since World War II that any land amassed over the course of a war does not legally belong to the victor. The only true exception of this might be Israel which illegally seized a significant amount of land. Certainly the same applies to Russia and the pressure that Trump is putting on Zelensky to give up a very substantial portion of his nation is nauseating, pathetic, sickening, shameful and utterly desperate. In addition to showing a disgusting degree of butt kissing toward King Vlad. Tibet? 2 2
Popular Post sammieuk1 Posted Thursday at 11:07 PM Popular Post Posted Thursday at 11:07 PM Americans your president is mentally ill there is no peace plan other than surrendering 🤔 1 6 2 1 1 2
Popular Post dinsdale Posted Thursday at 11:22 PM Popular Post Posted Thursday at 11:22 PM Crimea was handed to the Russians under Obama. Now Zelensky wants it back. 1 1 2 8 2 5
Popular Post daveAustin Posted Thursday at 11:37 PM Popular Post Posted Thursday at 11:37 PM How’s about this, Donald, Ukraine gives up Crimea if you give Alaska back to Russia? How would that feel to cede your territory to a foreigner? Unthinkable. Trump is such a robot; it’s all about ‘the deal’ to him. He doesn’t give a monkey’s chuff about the people and what’s right. 4 3 3 2 4
KhunLA Posted yesterday at 12:07 AM Posted yesterday at 12:07 AM 28 minutes ago, daveAustin said: How’s about this, Donald, Ukraine gives up Crimea if you give Alaska back to Russia? How would that feel to cede your territory to a foreigner? Unthinkable. Trump is such a robot; it’s all about ‘the deal’ to him. He doesn’t give a monkey’s chuff about the people and what’s right. Apples & Oranges ... Most people of Crimea don't want to be part of UA, after the coup and installed govts. 1 3 7
Popular Post impulse Posted yesterday at 12:08 AM Popular Post Posted yesterday at 12:08 AM I see we have a bunch of the "willing to fight down to the last dead Ukrainian" guys here. Crimea was lost. It's not coming back without WW3, a NATO ground war and possible nuclear Armageddon. (Under Obama, I may add). So was the Donbass. (Under Biden) The dying needs to stop, and the reconstruction needs to start. Edit: My biggest concern is that Zelenskyy's intransigence will eventually force Putin to go all the way to Kiev. Or kill another few million trying. 1 2 1 3 5 5
Popular Post JimHuaHin Posted yesterday at 01:04 AM Popular Post Posted yesterday at 01:04 AM Zelensky understands Russia and Putin better than the idiots in the White House. 4 5 1 1 4 3
Popular Post Hamus Yaigh Posted yesterday at 01:46 AM Popular Post Posted yesterday at 01:46 AM 2 hours ago, dinsdale said: Crimea was handed to the Russians under Obama. Now Zelensky wants it back. Some people are living in a parallel world of the mentally unhinged or Russia. Russia is the aggressor and invader. No end to this until Russia pays for this. 1 2 3 3 3 1
Popular Post steven100 Posted yesterday at 01:58 AM Popular Post Posted yesterday at 01:58 AM if Zelensky had anyway of flattening Moscow, that would be his best option ... and best for everyone. imo 2 2 3 1 2
Popular Post dinsdale Posted yesterday at 02:05 AM Popular Post Posted yesterday at 02:05 AM 11 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said: Some people are living in a parallel world of the mentally unhinged or Russia. Russia is the aggressor and invader. No end to this until Russia pays for this. Not taking Russia's side. Simply pointing out that there was no military response to Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014 under Obama and by the West in general. This is a neutral comment so please keep your ad hominin comments in check. 2 2 1 3 1
Popular Post Tug Posted yesterday at 02:41 AM Popular Post Posted yesterday at 02:41 AM 36 minutes ago, dinsdale said: Not taking Russia's side. Simply pointing out that there was no military response to Russia's annexation of Crimea in 2014 under Obama and by the West in general. This is a neutral comment so please keep your ad hominin comments in check. That was my #1 gripe about Obama’s foreign policy when Russia invaded Ukraines territory we should have done more much more.now we have a president in the Oval Office that’s by far more of an asset to the enemy than an asset to Europe's democratic country’s or in my view America herself hes definitely an enemy to our constitution. 3 1
Popular Post Hamus Yaigh Posted yesterday at 02:48 AM Popular Post Posted yesterday at 02:48 AM 41 minutes ago, dinsdale said: This is a neutral comment so please keep your ad hominin comments in check. It was not a neutral comment as it ignores an injustice by an aggressor? It was also not targeted at you specifically but "some people" as I said, and there are a lot of "them" on this forum for some reason. 1 2
Popular Post Eric Loh Posted yesterday at 02:55 AM Popular Post Posted yesterday at 02:55 AM Trump's cryptocurrency ventures are just perfect for geopolitics dirty money from Russia that may have influenced his soft stance on Putin. He is just so corrupted that this can't be ruled out. 1 3 1
dinsdale Posted yesterday at 03:03 AM Posted yesterday at 03:03 AM 12 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said: It was not a neutral comment as it ignores an injustice by an aggressor? It was also not targeted at you specifically but "some people" as I said, and there are a lot of "them" on this forum for some reason. A neutral comment points out the facts without bias. This is what my comment about Crimea's annexation did. If I was to include opinion it's no longer neutral. 1
Popular Post KhunLA Posted yesterday at 03:07 AM Popular Post Posted yesterday at 03:07 AM 16 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said: It was not a neutral comment as it ignores an injustice by an aggressor? It was also not targeted at you specifically but "some people" as I said, and there are a lot of "them" on this forum for some reason. We won't hold that against UA though ... This conflict will be never ending while Z is in control. No way is RU letting UA abuse it's people in Crimea, Donbass or other areas freed from UA's oppression. 3 3 5
Yagoda Posted yesterday at 03:09 AM Posted yesterday at 03:09 AM The Crimea was never "Ukrainian", except as an administrative Soviet thing. Very little of the "Ukraine" is "Ukrainian" 1 4 6 1
connda Posted yesterday at 03:38 AM Posted yesterday at 03:38 AM Good for him. Stick to your guns ol' buddy (Oh wait, Zee doesn't have a gun and is never in harms way at the front). Ok - keep press ganging volunteering Ukrainian men and sending the cannon fodder brave, highly trained soldiers to the front. Russia is down to launching washing machine and dryers full of TNT as they have run out of missiles, the Ruble is Rubble, Russia Is In Tatters, and the reality on the ground is that the Russian "cockroaches" (I believe that is how you refer to Russians) are running back to Moscow as Ukie troop retake Crimea and push "The Invaders" back to the Russian border. The US just needs to send $500 billion more ($50 billion to a special offshore account in the Bahamas) and you'll have Ivan running home to momma. "The more money you send to me, the more I be richer, and of course war turn out good for Trump and JD too. War good for Ukraine, send more money and war get better! We win for sure. Russia orcs don't have snowball chance in bonfire of burning Benjamins ." <unrolls a $100 dollar bill and sniffs> In other news, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told reporters, "...that things are just fine. No problems. President Trump is great man who understands the root cause of the conflict. We see peace sooner...or later. No hurry Future plans? Off to India and Pakistan to see if we can talk them out of nuking each other and irradiating Southeast Asia which is downwind." 1 9
frank83628 Posted yesterday at 04:29 AM Posted yesterday at 04:29 AM 6 hours ago, Tug said: Its also a large body of water the killers have to cross before they can murder Ukrainian patriots trying to defend their nation.its also a way to throttle Russia trying to get their goods to market.Its also a roadblock to trump’s betrayal of Ukraine and our European brothers and sisters. You call you own countries 'patriots' fascists & racists. What a load of hypocritical nonsense. 1 2
connda Posted yesterday at 04:30 AM Posted yesterday at 04:30 AM 51 minutes ago, KhunLA said: We won't hold that against UA though ... This conflict will be never ending while Z is in control. No way is RU letting UA abuse it's people in Crimea, Donbass or other areas freed from UA's oppression. The exact Neo-libs who insist that places like California need to have translation services available for all non-English speakers and DMV tests written in Spanish, Armenian, Chinese, Hindi, Punjabi, Vietnamese, Korean, Tagalog, Arabic, Russian, Japanese, Farsi, Khmer, Thai, Hmong, Lao, Portuguese, French, German, Italian, Amharic, Bengali, Burmese, Gujarati, Ilocano, Indonesian, Malay, Samoan, Somali, Tamil, Tongan - and Thai1 - also have no problem with the Ukraine government outlawing the Russian language, Russian culture, Russian History, and the Eastern Orthodox Religion in Ukraine. Diversity for we, but not for thee. The Blue State liberals and Democrats, and now the new class of rainbow-colored-flag waving War-Hawks (historically anti-war but not anymore), insist we celebrate "diversity" in the United States (like 32 different DMV test languages) and support "hate-crime laws" (say anything about a minority and go to jail), and yet are the exact people who are rallying behind the Ukrainian government's Anti-Everything-Russian laws that outlaws, well, everything Russian in Ukraine. Outlaw all things Russian and hate the Russian minority all you want - and it's s'all good man! The hypocrisy is over-the-top. 1. Caveat - Since 2021 CA have pared the DMV test languages down from 32 languages to 7 after the Dymally-Alatorre Bilingual Services Act of 1973 was reinterpreted, perhaps due to CA over-blown budget and state debt. But the Dymally-Alatorre Bilingual Services Act of 1973 does seek to protect the most represented of the 5% of the CA population - unlike Ukraine which is just the opposite and have laws making just about everything Russian (language, culture, religion) illegal. At the same time as they are outlawing Russian speaking, on June 4, 2024, the Verkhovna Rada (Ukraine’s parliament) adopted the law making English an "official" language in Ukraine. Ukraine does hate their ethnic Russian population. 1 4 4
connda Posted yesterday at 04:47 AM Posted yesterday at 04:47 AM The longer this goes on, the more of Ukraine will be fabricated into a demilitarized buffer-zone protecting Russia and the 4 new Russian Oblasts plus Crimea from the rump-state that is what's left of Ukraine. Trump will pass the baton to the EU and there will be another grand old war on the level of WWII on the borders of the EU and Russia once more by 2030. Hell, European "leaders" are actively planning to march East to go to war with Russia by 2030. Europeans love war and hate Russians, so they figure that The Third Time's A Charm. They'll pick up where Napoleon and Hitler left off and march on Moscow to "Defend Democracy From Russian Aggression!" 🤔 "Hummmm..." World War 3 WILL happen within the next 5 years, I have no doubt. Me? "Catcha 22!" 1 1 4 1
Popular Post CRUNCHER Posted yesterday at 06:30 AM Popular Post Posted yesterday at 06:30 AM Both Russia and US signed the 1994 Budapest agreement guaranteeing Ukraine's boarders as the existed at that time. This included Crimea. History before that is irrelevant. That Putin fails to honour his international obligations is not surprising; he is pure evil. One would have hoped that the US had more integrity, but Trump is dragging US down into the gutter along with Putin. All Americans should hang their heads in shame at what their country is becoming. US's word now means nothing. 2 2
Popular Post sharot724 Posted yesterday at 06:35 AM Popular Post Posted yesterday at 06:35 AM 2 minutes ago, CRUNCHER said: Both Russia and US signed the 1994 Budapest agreement guaranteeing Ukraine's boarders as the existed at that time. This included Crimea. History before that is irrelevant. That Putin fails to honour his international obligations is not surprising; he is pure evil. One would have hoped that the US had more integrity, but Trump is dragging US down into the gutter along with Putin. All Americans should hang their heads in shame at what their country is becoming. US's word now means nothing. The MAGA here are going nuts turning and twisting themselves into pretzels with defending Trump and I don't blame them for that. Elections have consequences 2 1
Tug Posted yesterday at 07:47 AM Posted yesterday at 07:47 AM 3 hours ago, frank83628 said: You call you own countries 'patriots' fascists & racists. What a load of hypocritical nonsense. Ok frank when have I called my country’s patriots fascist?if they are that they aren’t patriots because they would be betraying every thing the states stands for ergo they aren’t patriots hope that helps. 1
Cameroni Posted yesterday at 07:56 AM Posted yesterday at 07:56 AM Crimea was gifted to Ukraine. It belongs to Russia. Zelensky should give it back since Ukraine slept with the US now. Cheaters should be punished. 1 1 6 3
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