5 hours ago, CharlieH said:

And therein lies the difference between active participation, a genuine caring, and someone whose just letting you relieve yourself.

 

All too often it's the latter in transactional situations.

 

The interesting thing about relationships is that almost all of them are transactional. 

The gal you pick up on Soi Cowboy is P4P transactional.
The hot gal you picked up at a club back in the West who you take out to lavish dinners, buy gifts for, and treat like a queen - is also transaction, and probably is a hell of a lot more expensive than the P4P encounter which essentially gets you the same thing.
Then marry your "dream love" in the West and find out that "HALF plus attorney fees" is also transactional when she decides to dump you for Mr. Right, who she'll probably end up supporting.

Relationship are pretty much all transactional.  Don't get me wrong.  I have friends and family who have been with the same person for decades and there is truly a relationship built on a foundation of love - but man?  They are rare these days.  Very rare.  And I still have to ask - if the man in those relationships wasn't a really good breadwinner and provider, would that relationship still weather the sands of time.  Most marriages end about the time they hit the "Through Better and Through Worse."  When the storm hits, bae' hits the escape pod, and starts shooting signal flares in hope of finding a bigger more luxurious ship.

3 minutes ago, connda said:

The interesting thing about relationships is that almost all of them are transactional. 

The gal you pick up on Soi Cowboy is P4P transactional.
The hot gal you picked up at a club back in the West who you take out to lavish dinners, buy gifts for, and treat like a queen - is also transaction, and probably is a hell of a lot more expensive than the P4P encounter which essentially gets you the same thing.
Then marry your "dream love" in the West and find out that "HALF plus attorney fees" is also transactional when she decides to dump you for Mr. Right, who she'll probably end up supporting.

Relationship are pretty much all transactional.  Don't get me wrong.  I have friends and family who have been with the same person for decades and there is truly a relationship built on a foundation of love - but man?  They are rare these days.  Very rare.  And I still have to ask - if the man in those relationships wasn't a really good breadwinner and provider, would that relationship still weather the sands of time.  Most marriages end about the time they hit the "Through Better and Through Worse."  When the storm hits, bae' hits the escape pod, and starts shooting signal flares in hope of finding a bigger more luxurious ship.

I hereby nominate the foregoing as Post of the Year.

 

And he leaves out shallow pigs like myself that are too selfish to have a monogamous relationship ab initio.

22 minutes ago, connda said:

The interesting thing about relationships is that almost all of them are transactional. 

The gal you pick up on Soi Cowboy is P4P transactional.
The hot gal you picked up at a club back in the West who you take out to lavish dinners, buy gifts for, and treat like a queen - is also transaction, and probably is a hell of a lot more expensive than the P4P encounter which essentially gets you the same thing.
Then marry your "dream love" in the West and find out that "HALF plus attorney fees" is also transactional when she decides to dump you for Mr. Right, who she'll probably end up supporting.

Relationship are pretty much all transactional.  Don't get me wrong.  I have friends and family who have been with the same person for decades and there is truly a relationship built on a foundation of love - but man?  They are rare these days.  Very rare.  And I still have to ask - if the man in those relationships wasn't a really good breadwinner and provider, would that relationship still weather the sands of time.  Most marriages end about the time they hit the "Through Better and Through Worse."  When the storm hits, bae' hits the escape pod, and starts shooting signal flares in hope of finding a bigger more luxurious ship.

And to add to that in the three long term love relationships I noticed other elderly friends and rellys having.

 

One guy 80+, back in the UK, his UK wife admitted to me she had cheated on him with his best friend when young.

One guy late 60s American, his US wife also used to cheat on him more than once when he was younger.

Leaving only one couple 80+ back in the UK, both now dead, that seemed OK with each other (second marriage for both)

 

So the women not only take the money, but they usually cheat as well.

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

So the women not only take the money, but they usually cheat as well.

All humans are victimized by the penis one way or another.

11 hours ago, BritManToo said:

So the women not only take the money, but they usually cheat as well.

 

These stories are heart-breaking and disheartening. 

 

 

1 hour ago, connda said:

Relationship are pretty much all transactional.  Don't get me wrong.  I have friends and family who have been with the same person for decades and there is truly a relationship built on a foundation of love - but man? 

 

It's not built on love, it's built on the foundation of financial resources which the man provides. If a woman can enjoy a great lifestyle, why would she stray? She likes what your friend brings to the table.

 

Love is just the blah blah women use to hook you, and which we use to justify her.

 

There can be love, but if the man is penniless it will never last. How many homeless guys do you see fighting off hot women?

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

So the women not only take the money, but they usually cheat as well.

 

So true, it takes so little for a woman not to "feel it" and begin to fear that another man may be a better option. You can do 898 things right. You do one thing wrong, and she will focus on that.

Some Thai women enjoy sex, some less so. In other words much the same as in any other country.

On 4/30/2025 at 12:43 PM, Cameroni said:

 

I talked to a  Thai girl about her past boyfriends. She had two exes. One Thai and one Farang.. She loved the Farang with all her being. she even said "I think I gave him too much love".

 

So I think you'll find that the usual trajectory is that these Thai girls do fall in love, but only with the first farang who really imprints them. They give him so much love that they regret it when it ends, and susbsequently never give that much love again.

 

Then of course there is the 1950s morality in Thailand, many girls do not want to talk about sex, do not do anal and are not sexually liberated.

 

Finally, there is you, the Farang, yourself. The sex was great when you were  much younger, and that woman was head over heels in love with you, would participate, would do anything to please to you. But once you hit 70 your sexual market value obviously has dropped way down because of age, and almost no young and attractive women will be attracted to you and participate in sex eagerly to please you, simply because they just about manage to stop themselves from vomiting for having sex with you.

 

So yes, you do have a point, Thai women are not avid sex kittens generally, but there are other factors at  play as well.

 

On 4/30/2025 at 12:43 PM, Cameroni said:

 

I talked to a  Thai girl about her past boyfriends. She had two exes. One Thai and one Farang.. She loved the Farang with all her being. she even said "I think I gave him too much love".

 

So I think you'll find that the usual trajectory is that these Thai girls do fall in love, but only with the first farang who really imprints them. They give him so much love that they regret it when it ends, and susbsequently never give that much love again.

 

Then of course there is the 1950s morality in Thailand, many girls do not want to talk about sex, do not do anal and are not sexually liberated.

 

Finally, there is you, the Farang, yourself. The sex was great when you were  much younger, and that woman was head over heels in love with you, would participate, would do anything to please to you. But once you hit 70 your sexual market value obviously has dropped way down because of age, and almost no young and attractive women will be attracted to you and participate in sex eagerly to please you, simply because they just about manage to stop themselves from vomiting for having sex with you.

 

So yes, you do have a point, Thai women are not avid sex kittens generally, but there are other factors at  play as well.

i suggest you go to the philipines and try the women there. They are much more loving and because they speak english make better companions.

6 minutes ago, wavodavo said:

 

i suggest you go to the philipines and try the women there. They are much more loving and because they speak english make better companions.

 

I did. They are loving but sadly with everyone. The extreme poverty of Philippines makes the women there into serial daters and cheaters from a young age.

 

My longest period of suffering was with a Filipina.

"""Then of course there is the 1950s morality in Thailand, many girls <snip> are not sexually liberated"""

 

WOW, where are you visiting in Thailand.  I came here ( at 67 years old ) used dating apks and found a good 'supply' of women to meet - late 20's and up.

( Before working ladies started flooding the apks )

I AM NOT particularly good looking, just a average 'Joe'

 

As to 50's morality, I would say over 50%± spent 1 or more nights in my bed after meeting the FIRST time. If she liked you, she would spend the night - if not, a polite good bye. The cost to meet, talking via LINE, then 1 or 2 meals. 1st girlfriend lasted 6 months - we still talk every now and then.

11 minutes ago, edwardflory said:

WOW, where are you visiting in Thailand.  I came here ( at 67 years old ) used dating apks and found a good 'supply' of women to meet.

I don't think his problem is availability per se, only that of access to trap 2.

Ok guys I've had to <snip> two posts, this is a family friendly forum, no need to get too specific.

The law of supply and demand will always apply, Good looking, sexual, into you women will always be low in numbers.

 

Not that great looking, a bit of a cold fish, notinto you?

 

Just go out to the curb and wave your hand.

 

Past 70, into you pretty much evaporates.

1 hour ago, edwardflory said:

I came here ( at 67 years old ) used dating apks and found a good 'supply' of women to meet - late 20's and up.

 

If you go on dating apps now you would see a lot of profiles with text like "No sex talk" "No ONS or FWB" "Not looking for hook ups", just saw that yesterday.

 

Things have changed now. For a start guys like you who came in 20 years ago ruined it for us now, because word got round that farang just want to bang.  Of course Youtube and social media has spread that word millionfold.

 

Secondly, Thai girls now have got wise to social media and dating apps, in that they get bombarded with tons of choice every day. Also the influx of East Europeans, with the blue and gray eyes they love, has added to their choice.

 

Thirdly I don't go for "late 20s and up". I go for 18 to 25 because I don't like girls with too much baggage, body count and that have been spoiled by other farang.  Plus I'm very selective with looks.

 

As Prubangboy said correctly  good looking women that are into you are by definition low in numbers, and those that are into sex, fewer still.

 

My dating apps and social media are full of girls that talk, and 50% that come to bed is about right, but by "sexually liberated" I meant they do freaky things in bed. Most don't do that.

51 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

The law of supply and demand will always apply, Good looking, sexual, into you women will always be low in numbers.

Not that great looking, a bit of a cold fish, notinto you?

Just go out to the curb and wave your hand.

Past 70, into you pretty much evaporates.

Now repeat that roadside experiment while holding 2000bht in your waving hand!

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

and 50% that come to bed is about right,

 

I'm guessing most of them are not looking for ONS though, but trying to secure a long-term farang bf ie you specifically in this case. 

 

16 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

dating apps and social media are full of girls that talk, and 50% that come to bed is about right, but by "sexually liberated" I meant they do freaky things in bed. Most don't do that.

Funny you should say that,

as I've found just the opposite, and I'm the one saying 'i'm not doing that'.

Anyways, there's always "The Castle" in Pattaya if you want to get really weird!

On 4/30/2025 at 9:39 AM, MalcolmB said:

Perhaps it is time to move on to the ladyboys. 

Just use plenty of lube and relax your sphincter, don’t fight it. 

As you no doubt do each night

23 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Ha, ha, I reckon it's the end of the line once you go down that road.

 

That's rock bottom (pun intended)

26 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

I'm guessing most of them are not looking for ONS though, but trying to secure a long-term farang bf ie you specifically in this case. 

 

 

Exactly right. I would say 90% of girls are now wise to the farang coming just for sex and many explicitly state in their profile they don't want ONS, FWB or "sex talk". 

 

Most girls want an LTR and if they just get pumped and dumped they don't like it. I had one girl get really nasty when she realised she wasn't getting an LTR.

 

That is why it can happen that they don't give up sex on the first day, but make you wait 2 or 3 days before it's on. They want to test if you're just about sex.

 

 

 

 

31 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Funny you should say that,

as I've found just the opposite, and I'm the one saying 'i'm not doing that'.

Anyways, there's always "The Castle" in Pattaya if you want to get really weird!

 

If you say "I'm not doing that" that would indicate that you're not that into freaky sex. Indeed your definition of what constitutes it may be somewhat different. Our "freaky sex" boundaries may be quite far apart..

 

As you know I don't target professional girls, so these girls are not as used to unusual sex pratices. But I had one girl recently on TF who turned out to be a covert professiona and out of interest I asked what practices she offers (purely for research) and she explicitly excluded some practices that are very common in the West.

 

I think the censorship of pornography in Thailand probably contributes to this lack of perversion, plus the dearth of laptops.

 

 

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

As you know I don't target professional girls, so these girls are not as used to unusual sex pratices. But I had one girl recently on TF who turned out to be a covert professiona and out of interest I asked what practices she offers (purely for research) and she explicitly excluded some practices that are very common in the West.

There's three types of women

Gold diggers, ladies pretending they aren't gold diggers, and women that have no use for men.

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

There's three types of women

Gold diggers, ladies pretending they aren't gold diggers, and women that have no use for men.

 

I have noticed a large increase in the latter, Central is full of girls holding hands now.

 

It's remarkable.

Im happy single and will remain that I stick to my kinky mistress who makes me feel good when we stay together.

No promises..no sick buffalo etc etc

11 hours ago, Cameroni said:

I had one girl get really nasty

 

what did she do? or threaten to do ?

 

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

 

Anyways, there's always "The Castle" in Pattaya if you want to get really weird!

Did you pop in?

 

I went to Demonia, next door to me. Some right old slappers whipping ass who weren't into it. At all.

 

So that's a double whammy: not into kink and not into you. Plus the generic, always present hot into shagging YOU.

 

Anyway, I have a Netflix and Chill date and a dinner date this weekend - a bit of a streak. With white women in Thailand, you are def assumed to be very guilty -of something.

 

They're not on Tinder. It's got to be live approach in a neutral social setting, like a class of a meetup. So not really much diff from home.

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

 

what did she do? or threaten to do ?

 

 

She packed her bags at 1 am and sobbing said "I'm a girl too, I need someone too", as she stormed out my house and out of the mooban. I was worried about her and went after her, she caused a scene in front of the guards. When she said she was calling another foreign guy in CM I just walked away. 

2 hours ago, Prubangboy said:

Anyway, I have a Netflix and Chill date and a dinner date this weekend - a bit of a streak.

 

Awesome job. Well done. 72 and still lining them up. 

 

Dating apps and Insta are indispensable, but the King's discipline really is direct approach in the field. I was shopping just now and saw this tall girl, maybe 22, in short shorts and black top.  I thought I have to approach her, so I went after her, but paying delayed me, I was going after her and followed her 2 floors up....as she rushed into a perfume store and went in the staff room. 

 

Guess where I'm going this weekend?

 

Hahahaha.

Like Dylan said, when you got nothin', you got nothin' to lose.