China Accuses U.S. of COVID-19 Origins in Escalating War of Words

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, thesetat said:

I do not think the creation of Covid was accidental. I think its release into Wuhan was though. I also believe that China knew about Covid because of cases weeks before they closed their airports and ceased travel, therefore this makes me think Covids release into the world was a deliberate act. They waited until the day after all their citizens would travel for their big holiday before closing their airports. Every action since then was done to deter investigations, falsify reports as to the extent of infections and numbers reported for illness and deaths related to this. 

I read a report last week also that now, there is a mysterious increase in deaths between the ages of 30 to 60 in China. Although, the report did not state a new disease, they did suspect it was related to their vaccines and hinted at the main causes were the side effects of those vaccines. 

 

Yes, hundreds of international flights left China around Chinese New Year (25 JAN 2020) when the problem was already known. 

[Cameroni]

19 hours ago, Kinnock said:

Personally I subscribe to the lab leak theory rather than the market

 

Your view is shared by the German intelligence services:

 

Germany's foreign intelligence service believed there was a 80-90% chance that coronavirus accidentally leaked from a Chinese lab, German media say.

Two German newspapers say they have uncovered details of an assessment carried out by spy agency BND in 2020 but never published.

The intelligence service had indications that the Wuhan Institute of Virology had been carrying out experiments where viruses are modified to become more transmissible to humans for research, they say.

 

According to Die Zeit and Sueddeutscher Zeitung, the BND met in Berlin in 2020 to look into the origin of coronavirus in an operation called Project Saaremaa.

It assessed the lab theory as "likely", although it did not have definitive proof.

The BND also found indications that several violations of safety regulations had occurred at the lab.

The assessment was commissioned by the office of Angela Merkel, Germany's chancellor at the time, but was never publicly known of until now.

According to the papers, the findings were shared with the CIA in autumn of last year.

In January this year, the CIA said that a "research-related origin" of the pandemic was more likely than a natural origin "based on the available body of reporting" - although it cautioned it had "low confidence" in this determination.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz7vypq31z7o

[paul1804]

"The World Military Games took place from the 18^th to 27^th of October 2019 in Wuhan, China. Over 140 nations with 9308 athletes participated"

 

Why dont they ask the nations that attended the military games in Wuhan what they observed when in Wuhan!

And when many of those athletes returned to their respective countries many complained of a bad cough & cold like symptoms! What a great time to release a virus, tell me this was a coincidence!

 

[frank83628]

5 hours ago, Tug said:

Try that line on the guy who wouldn’t wear a mask because it would smear his makeup….or supported taking horse wormer….told folks to inject bleach or stick a light up were the sun doesn’t shine……the fact of the matter is it’s time to make sure it doesn’t happen again and to prepare if it does…..oh ya trump killed preparation and prevention……

That comment has put you firmly it the brainless clown box.

[frank83628]

Fauci funded GOF research through the NIH, Obama banned it in the US. Fauci is responsible, perhaps not for the leak, but for creating the virus.

The US knows this but if admitted it then means the US are guilty by association. Hence the reason after 5yrs they still haven't found the origins

 

[Dan O]

On 5/2/2025 at 8:55 AM, nauseus said:

 

Try that line on the families of the deceased and all those still trying to live with the long--term effects of both virus and vaccines.

The outcome doesn't change for those affected at this point, my family included. 

[Dan O]

5 hours ago, dinsdale said:

We didn't do it the Americans did. We are the CCP and you can trust us. Anyone who would believe this is a: insane, b: completely deluded or 😄 a  total CCP shill.

I think the Chinese forgot that Xi called Trump directly very early on and informed him how serious this was already in China and to take precautions as it was extremely contagious and deadly and would spread worldwide rapidly. 

[Kinnock]

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Your view is shared by the German intelligence services:

 

Germany's foreign intelligence service believed there was a 80-90% chance that coronavirus accidentally leaked from a Chinese lab, German media say.

Two German newspapers say they have uncovered details of an assessment carried out by spy agency BND in 2020 but never published.

The intelligence service had indications that the Wuhan Institute of Virology had been carrying out experiments where viruses are modified to become more transmissible to humans for research, they say.

 

According to Die Zeit and Sueddeutscher Zeitung, the BND met in Berlin in 2020 to look into the origin of coronavirus in an operation called Project Saaremaa.

It assessed the lab theory as "likely", although it did not have definitive proof.

The BND also found indications that several violations of safety regulations had occurred at the lab.

The assessment was commissioned by the office of Angela Merkel, Germany's chancellor at the time, but was never publicly known of until now.

According to the papers, the findings were shared with the CIA in autumn of last year.

In January this year, the CIA said that a "research-related origin" of the pandemic was more likely than a natural origin "based on the available body of reporting" - although it cautioned it had "low confidence" in this determination.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cz7vypq31z7o

Interesting report .... and Interesting that it was not published officially and had to be leaked.  Trade before truth?

[Andrewdownunder]

On 5/2/2025 at 4:48 AM, Mike_Hunt said:

The Chinese have one thing in common with Democrats.   They are both excellent at propaganda. 

your mother is best at that

[candide]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Fauci funded GOF research through the NIH, Obama banned it in the US. Fauci is responsible, perhaps not for the leak, but for creating the virus.

The US knows this but if admitted it then means the US are guilty by association. Hence the reason after 5yrs they still haven't found the origins

 

Complete B.S. 🤣

 

The viruses used in the EcoHealth program could not have been progenitors of SarsCov 2. The ADN signature doesn't match. Actually the progenitor of SarsCov 2 has not been found yet!

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Dan O said:

The outcome doesn't change for those affected at this point, my family included. 

 

Maybe not for you and yours but I know others affected that would definitely disagree with you. These events warrant inquiries and corrective action. Nothing has really happened, nobody has been held accountable, so this could easily happen again. Happy with that??

[Cameroni]

3 hours ago, Kinnock said:

Interesting report .... and Interesting that it was not published officially and had to be leaked.  Trade before truth?

 

Isn't it just. How interesting that the German government kept this research by their intelligence services top secret during the pandemic.

 

 

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Dan O said:

I think the Chinese forgot that Xi called Trump directly very early on and informed him how serious this was already in China and to take precautions as it was extremely contagious and deadly and would spread worldwide rapidly. 

 

Got a link to that? And, if true, why allow thousands to travel out of China?

[frank83628]

4 hours ago, Dan O said:

I think the Chinese forgot that Xi called Trump directly very early on and informed him how serious this was already in China and to take precautions as it was extremely contagious and deadly and would spread worldwide rapidly. 

Meanwhile Dems were busy telling all their followers it was no more than the flu, and Pelosi went straight to China town to tell everyons to come and party..... or don't you remember that?

[Kinnock]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Got a link to that? And, if true, why allow thousands to travel out of China?

The risk was recognised before the Chinese New Year travel period, and the absence of a travel ban was, in my view, a deliberate ploy to ensure every country was impacted rather than containing it within China.

 

If only China was effected, their economy would tank in isolation .... but give every country a dose and it's a level economic playing field.

 

China put pressure on the WHO to stress that a travel ban was not needed - WHO was making statements at the time that it was effectively contained within Wuhan.  Then after Chinese New Year - China clamped down on all travel.

 

I remember Thai Facebook sites highlighting where in Thailand the Chinese tourists were going over their holiday period - so we knew where to avoid.  Amarin and Big C Ratchprasong were know hot spots to avoid.  So if this was common knowledge at the time .... why were they allowed to travel to Thailand in the first place?

[nauseus]

6 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

The risk was recognised before the Chinese New Year travel period, and the absence of a travel ban was, in my view, a deliberate ploy to ensure every country was impacted rather than containing it within China.

 

If only China was effected, their economy would tank in isolation .... but give every country a dose and it's a level economic playing field.

 

China put pressure on the WHO to stress that a travel ban was not needed - WHO was making statements at the time that it was effectively contained within Wuhan.  Then after Chinese New Year - China clamped down on all travel.

 

I remember Thai Facebook sites highlighting where in Thailand the Chinese tourists were going over their holiday period - so we knew where to avoid.  Amarin and Big C Ratchprasong were know hot spots to avoid.  So if this was common knowledge at the time .... why were they allowed to travel to Thailand in the first place?

 

Why are you responding to a question that I posed to Dan O?

 

I agree with what you say but I what about this phone call to Trump?

 

 

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[JonnyF]

Commies always accuse others of their own crimes.

 

Same as Biden and the other Dem liars.

[Kinnock]

40 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Why are you responding to a question that I posed to Dan O?

 

It's a group discussion forum ..... people can respond to any posts they like 😀

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Kinnock said:

It's a group discussion forum ..... people can respond to any posts they like 😀

 

In that case, I was just wondering if you have been affected by the dip in the betel nut price recently?

[candide]

9 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Meanwhile Dems were busy telling all their followers it was no more than the flu, and Pelosi went straight to China town to tell everyons to come and party..... or don't you remember that?

Oh the liar! 

It's Trump and MAGAs who were claiming  it was just a flu! 

[frank83628]

3 hours ago, candide said:

Oh the liar! 

It's Trump and MAGAs who were claiming  it was just a flu! 

Nope,in the beginning, when trump said it came from China, Democrats played it down sayin got was just a flu. Also Harris said she wouldnt take a vaccine that came from trump.

[daveAustin]

Just not worth reading. Even the header was painful. Grow up and take ownership! Not everything is America’s fault!

[Woke to Sounds]

On 5/2/2025 at 4:59 PM, Tug said:

the fact of the matter is it’s time to make sure it doesn’t happen again and to prepare if it does

 

Twas made to happen, hence the mocking moniker 'Scamdemic.'

 

All the prep in the world won't matter when the Elites decide to unleash Scamdemic 2.0.

 

Most folk can't get enough shxxte sandwiches buddy.

[candide]

6 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Nope,in the beginning, when trump said it came from China, Democrats played it down sayin got was just a flu. Also Harris said she wouldnt take a vaccine that came from trump.

You are right about kamala, but "just a flu" it's Trump. Same as "it's a Dems hoax".

[frank83628]

16 minutes ago, candide said:

You are right about kamala, but "just a flu" it's Trump. Same as "it's a Dems hoax".

No, Dems said it was a flu, not all, but I have a video clips saved somewhere of those that did, along with pelosi rushing to China town telling everyone to 'come down, its totally safe'

[candide]

55 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

No, Dems said it was a flu, not all, but I have a video clips saved somewhere of those that did, along with pelosi rushing to China town telling everyone to 'come down, its totally safe'

Actually, SF Chinatown was safe at that time. The first cases in SF area occured outside Chinatown (Santa Clara, San Jose...)

[paul1804]

On 5/3/2025 at 11:31 AM, frank83628 said:

Fauci funded GOF research through the NIH, Obama banned it in the US. Fauci is responsible, perhaps not for the leak, but for creating the virus.

The US knows this but if admitted it then means the US are guilty by association. Hence the reason after 5yrs they still haven't found the origins

 

And that is the  reason why Joe Biden gave Fauci a pardon back as far as 2014, ironically that was the year the virus research was moved from Virginia, USA to Wuhan, China !! 

You just have to love this stuff dont you, how evil these SOB's really are!!

[Rob Browder]

Both sides trying to avoid the fact that this was a lab-modified virus, work on which they had worked jointly.   Moderna patented the "gain of function" spike-protein in 2016 (exact genomic-match). 

So, was the bug that leaked the result of combining that spike with a bat-virus in the Wuhan lab, or the Rocky-Mountain Lab, or the UNC Lab?  That is the only question.

 

But, it's clear why Trump kept saying "China Virus" - to deflect from the US-Govt / contractor involvement in this dangerous / insane "gain of function" research.

[Rob Browder]

On 5/4/2025 at 2:24 AM, candide said:

Oh the liar! 

It's Trump and MAGAs who were claiming  it was just a flu! 

The flu makes little children / babies sick.  This didn't. And, the flu-tests were coming up negative, world-wide.  No one who did a few minutes of research believed the "Just the flu" meme.  Some morons even fell for the "viruses don't exist" meme.  These were to put out there to tar anyone who questioned the "official story" as "lunatics," of course.

Folks who can read and comprehend research papers did not believe what was coming out of the MSM and govt, either - which was also clearly a pack of lies.  Yet, the "left" believed all that.  Their cartoonish buffoonery was unparalleled, as they tried to strong-arm all of us into acting-along with their MSM-induced delusions - even telling us we "must" inject a potentially-deadly experimental formulation of a type never before used widely, "or else" - even as we watched young and healthy people around us injured and/or killed with it.  Now THAT was truly insane.