On 5/4/2025 at 5:49 AM, BritManToo said:

And if that happened in Thailand there'd be almost no renters, and many more empty houses.

Because many Thai renters don't have work references, rent references or banking/credit histories.

Then why would you rent to them ? Personally, I’d ask for photocopies of passport, a decent deposit, and photos of every room and appliance  on moving in day. No payment rent, evict, cut off electricity and water and visit them every day. If you are correct and nothing to hide it should be no bother. I rented a fabulous penthouse for 4 months which was for sale. I was happy with the conditions and documents signed as it was a great place. I never regretted and neither did the owner. 

15 hours ago, kuzmabruk said:

in India the deposit has always been 10 months during the more than a decade I was there

What has India got to do with this?

8 hours ago, geisha said:

Then why would you rent to them ? Personally, I’d ask for photocopies of passport, a decent deposit, and photos of every room and appliance  on moving in day.

Most Thais don't rent rooms with appliances ..... maybe an old fridge.

But generally landlords rent because they want money.

And western foreigners aren't significant as tenants.

Plenty of potential Thai customers.

The mental illness associated with excessive weed smoking strikes again

On 5/4/2025 at 6:59 AM, ChipButty said:

What is it to be? 

accrued three months of unpaid electricity and internet bills, resulting in the disconnection of services.

 

Then, 30 April but fled the scene without notice, leaving air conditioning units and lights running.

 

. Maybe just turned the water off

1 hour ago, Kenny Boy said:

The mental illness associated with excessive weed smoking strikes again

I have a friend in NZ in his 70s smokes weed everyday since his 20s you can't stay in his house more than one hour if you visit him 

On 5/4/2025 at 1:59 AM, ChipButty said:

What is it to be? 

accrued three months of unpaid electricity and internet bills, resulting in the disconnection of services.

 

Then, 30 April but fled the scene without notice, leaving air conditioning units and lights running.

 

Well spotted. 

On 5/6/2025 at 3:33 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

The damage is clearly deliberate - its criminal damage under the Thai Criminal Code, Section 358,

The damage seems to have been made just before he left the condo.. so, after the landlord came with the police.

I don't see any reason for the police to show up as rent debt is a civil matter..

Apparently the police obviously didn't do anything as the tenant "promised" to leave the following month..

Regarding the trashed apartment.. yes seems criminal case but a complain has to be filed and prosecutor should take a decision..I don't think the police can act without court documents (surprisingly on the snaps police seems to help cleaning ???,)

Have a good day

4 minutes ago, LOG54 said:

(surprisingly on the snaps police seems to help cleaning ???,)

 

Looking for anything of value they can 'half inch' ???  

On 5/6/2025 at 7:25 AM, ChrisKC said:

So you would even lie to the Landlords you know! It's not getting better for you here, is it?

 

Seems like there is good case for vetting Landlords as well!

 

Not getting better for me?  Do you think I care what you 'do gooders' think?  I live in the real world, I've had tenants trash properties, fail to pay rent and refuse to leave until I get a court order.  I've been told to fix a failed boiler for a tenant that only ever paid their deposit and one month's rent and when I eventually got them out, found that I had to completely redecorate almost every room in the house.

 

Don't tell me I could have taken them to court - that's a complete waste of time - they claim they are broke and the court allows them to pay £1 per week which they then fail to pay and you would need to pay the court upwards of £200 for them to send in the bailifs.  When the bailifs do go in, the tenants are already forearmed with letters from friends and relatives stating that the 55 inch TV and state of the art Hifi system are theirs and they have lent them to the tenant etc.  Some of these people are 'professionals' at it and know exacty how to work the system.

 

The laws are different in the UK and very much biased towards the tenant, the UK government seem to forget who owns the property.  A landlord is not even allowed to enter a property to carry out an inspection if the tenant refuses to let them in. I wonder how many of you 'holier than thou' types would not give a reference for a bad tenant if it got them out of their property? Its very easy to pass judgment if you have never been in a similar situation.

 

I no longer use agents to find tenants for my properties nor do I take references - I rely on my own judgment and its served me well.  A girl asked if she could rent an apartment I had and was up front about getting into debt previously.  She seemed fine to me and I appreciated her honesty. She's been in her apartment for 9 years now, takes good care of it and hasn't missed her rent once. 

 

I suggest you go buy a few properties, rent them out for a while then come back and tell us your experiences.  I guarantee you won't think as you do now.

 

Not getting better for you here either is it?

3 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

Not getting better for me?  Do you think I care what you 'do gooders' think?  I live in the real world, I've had tenants trash properties, fail to pay rent and refuse to leave until I get a court order.  I've been told to fix a failed boiler for a tenant that only ever paid their deposit and one month's rent and when I eventually got them out, found that I had to completely redecorate almost every room in the house.

 

Don't tell me I could have taken them to court - that's a complete waste of time - they claim they are broke and the court allows them to pay £1 per week which they then fail to pay and you would need to pay the court upwards of £200 for them to send in the bailifs.  When the bailifs do go in, the tenants are already forearmed with letters from friends and relatives stating that the 55 inch TV and state of the art Hifi system are theirs and they have lent them to the tenant etc.  Some of these people are 'professionals' at it and know exacty how to work the system.

 

The laws are different in the UK and very much biased towards the tenant, the UK government seem to forget who owns the property.  A landlord is not even allowed to enter a property to carry out an inspection if the tenant refuses to let them in. I wonder how many of you 'holier than thou' types would not give a reference for a bad tenant if it got them out of their property? Its very easy to pass judgment if you have never been in a similar situation.

 

I no longer use agents to find tenants for my properties nor do I take references - I rely on my own judgment and its served me well.  A girl asked if she could rent an apartment I had and was up front about getting into debt previously.  She seemed fine to me and I appreciated her honesty. She's been in her apartment for 9 years now, takes good care of it and hasn't missed her rent once. 

 

I suggest you go buy a few properties, rent them out for a while then come back and tell us your experiences.  I guarantee you won't think as you do now.

 

Not getting better for you here either is it?

My comments relate to fairness and justice to both Landlords and Tenants. of course you don't care about those things, your comments bear me out on that! I am neither a Landlord or a Tenant so I don't speak from experience but I DO have experience in honesty and integrity. Stop being a Mango!

1 hour ago, ChrisKC said:

My comments relate to fairness and justice to both Landlords and Tenants. of course you don't care about those things, your comments bear me out on that! I am neither a Landlord or a Tenant so I don't speak from experience but I DO have experience in honesty and integrity. Stop being a Mango!

If you were to speak to my current tenats they would tell you that I am a decent and fair landlord.  Nowhere did I say that I didn't care about 'fairness and justice'.  I suspected that you have no experience of such matters - I'd love to see how long your honesty and integrity would last if you did. Faced with a non paying tenant, who'd trashed your property and was refusing to leave without an eviction notice - you of course would continue to rack up losses wouldn't you?  There is no way on this planet that you'd give them a reference to get them out - even if it cost you £ thousands - yeah right, of course you wouldn't because your so upright and honest a real pillar of the community. 

 

We are of course talking about Thailand here and I have no idea how the law is weighted regarding landlords and tenants but in the UK its becoming bloody ridiculous. Someone can rent your property, totally trash it and not pay you any rent after their initial payment.  You're probably a month out of pocket before you give them notice. They have until the last day of that month to move out and if they don't, only then can you apply to the court for an eviction notice. That takes 2 months minimum so if you are very very lucky you will be 3 months out of pocket less the usual 1 month's deposit plus court fees.  And that's if you are very lucky.

 

The process is to issue a section 21 notice - 2 months and only then, if the tenant refuses to leave, can you apply to the courts for a possession order. If the tenants still refuse to leave you have to apply to the court and ask for bailiffs to forcibly evict them.

 

The cost of a possession order for non rent arrears is £404 and considerably higher for non rent arrears. If its ignored you then have to apply for a 'Warrant For Possession' - £148 + the bailiffs fees and on and on. Then, when you finally get your property back you will almost certainly have repairs to do.

 

As I said before, I live in the real world - the last bad tenant I had - it took 5 months to evict them. The court costs were around £800 and they had let their kids draw all over just about every wall in the house. The place was filthy, electric sockets had been pulled out of the walls etc. etc. I ended up over £8000 out of pocket.

 

Would I have given them a reference to get out before they racked up 5 months rent? Damn right I would - and so would you. The difference is that I'm prepared to say I would.

This is Not about landlords and tenants. 

 

I have called you out for a bad attitude and you don't like it. And you keep defending it. 

3 hours ago, ChrisKC said:

This is Not about landlords and tenants. 

 

I have called you out for a bad attitude and you don't like it. And you keep defending it. 

Sorry but its entirely about landlords and tenants - read the title.  A poster suggested decent references  were required in the US and I stated that references are a waste of time because landlords (and others) often give out references just to get rid of a problem tenant - I would too rather than losing ££££'s as I have before. I've had bad tenants with impeccable references.  The only thing that's checkable about a reference is whether or not it was actually given.  There is no way of holding somebody to account if a reference is inaccurate and you'd have a hell of a job proving it was.

 

As for me 'not liking it' - twoddle, I don't give two hoots what you think. I'm just pointing out what happens in the real world - one that I have experience of whereas you do not.

2 hours ago, MangoKorat said:

Sorry but its entirely about landlords and tenants - read the title.  A poster suggested decent references  were required in the US and I stated that references are a waste of time because landlords (and others) often give out references just to get rid of a problem tenant - I would too rather than losing ££££'s as I have before. I've had bad tenants with impeccable references.  The only thing that's checkable about a reference is whether or not it was actually given.  There is no way of holding somebody to account if a reference is inaccurate and you'd have a hell of a job proving it was.

 

As for me 'not liking it' - twoddle, I don't give two hoots what you think. I'm just pointing out what happens in the real world - one that I have experience of whereas you do not.

You haven't got much idea about me, best you give up on the landlord/ tenant thing, it is about YOU, and probably reflects your general attitude in other aspects of your life that I don't care about either. Go away! I have nothing more to say! 

3 hours ago, ChrisKC said:

You haven't got much idea about me, best you give up on the landlord/ tenant thing, it is about YOU, and probably reflects your general attitude in other aspects of your life that I don't care about either. Go away! I have nothing more to say! 

Childish.

 

I hope in this case that the Thai law helps the landlord to seek the redresss he deserves because if its anything like it is in the UK, he could well be throwing good money after bad.  Often, when you have a bad tenant, you just have to suck it up and move on.

On 5/6/2025 at 4:02 PM, sambum said:

 

I had to pay maintenance for my daughter until she "ceased full time education", the legal age of which was 16 at the time. My daughter decided to stay on at school for her 'A' Levels, and then carry on to University, and I had to carry on paying maintenance until she got her Degree at the age of 21. Although I was quite willing to suport my child, when I queried why I should have to carry on paying beyond the age of 16, I was told by my solicitor that carrying on beyond the age of 16 and then going to University is classed as "Additional Education, but it's a "GREY AREA"!!! (Even she didn't understand the rules, so Magistrates have interpret the rules as they see fit - a bit like Immigration in Thailand!

Your divorce settlement likely included an agreement to include maintenance until after "tertiary education ".