1 hour ago, emptypockets said:

How did they determine a value exceeding 620,000 damage to the tree?

Doubt any piece of wood is worth that much.

In 2023 they levied a fine of $43,000 plus a 6 month jail sentence for a big whitetail buck poached in Ohio. Because some rich people can pay enormous amounts for a trophy buck, they put this kind of price tag on it. Others have been fined $200 for another buck poached that wasn't near that big of a trophy. Courts and the justice system can be more crooked than regular people.

That one person is disturbed enough to just cut down a historic tree for no valid reason is weird enough. That he had a friend willing to help him is off the charts.

30 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Who is saying that it is any kind of defence?

 

You wrote, "Some people might claim that vandalism and destruction of property is in some way a creative expression of something."

 

Sounds a lot a way of excusing the act; in other words, a defence.

Why the <deleted> would you cut down a tree like that for no reason?! 

 

Sentence them to hard physical labor for a pound an hour until the damages are recuperated! 
 

 

2 hours ago, emptypockets said:

How did they determine a value exceeding 620,000 damage to the tree?

Doubt any piece of wood is worth that much.

Apparently, they use the CAVAT formula which calculates the value of the tree itself, plus its value as a public asset, and other things.

https://www.trees.org.uk/News-Blog/Latest-News/CAVAT-Full-Method-a-lowdown-on-the-refresh

16 minutes ago, RayC said:

You wrote, "Some people might claim that vandalism and destruction of property is in some way a creative expression of something."

 

Sounds a lot a way of excusing the act; in other words, a defence.

 

Not even slightly.  As I said, it's simply an interesting situation.  If you read the whole comment, and have a think about it, you'll see that I'm not doing anything like what you're trying to claim.

8 minutes ago, chickenslegs said:

Apparently, they use the CAVAT formula which calculates the value of the tree itself, plus its value as a public asset, and other things.

https://www.trees.org.uk/News-Blog/Latest-News/CAVAT-Full-Method-a-lowdown-on-the-refresh

Thank you

39 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

That one person is disturbed enough to just cut down a historic tree for no valid reason is weird enough. That he had a friend willing to help him is off the charts.

 

Outsiders.  They want to do something that they know will really mess with normal people and they obviously assumed that no one would find out it was them.

 

If people had the same political fanaticism in the UK that you see in the US, these guys would probably be in Antifa or something.

1 hour ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Not even slightly.  As I said, it's simply an interesting situation.  If you read the whole comment, and have a think about it, you'll see that I'm not doing anything like what you're trying to claim.

 

If you are not suggesting that the possibility that this tree caused offence to these individuals' sense of aesthetic beauty and, therefore, should in some way be considered as mitigating circumstances, then what is your point? That we all have a subjective concept of beauty? Yes, agreed. And?

1 hour ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Outsiders.  They want to do something that they know will really mess with normal people and they obviously assumed that no one would find out it was them.

 

If people had the same political fanaticism in the UK that you see in the US, these guys would probably be in Antifa or something.

Yeah, morons cutting down trees would certainly be left wing!😂

40 minutes ago, RayC said:

That we all have a subjective concept of beauty? Yes, agreed. And?

 

If you don't like what I write, or don't find it relevant, you can just ignore it.  If you want to try to make out I wrote something I didn't, just so you can disagree, equally, feel free to ignore.

12 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Yeah, morons cutting down trees would certainly be left wing!😂

 

Jobless outsiders, mad at the world, looking for any excuse to destroy something.  Does it get more left-wing than that?

Not the sharpist tools in the box. First to cut down such an iconic tree. Then to retain phone footage  of the event with so much media coverage.

15 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Jobless outsiders, mad at the world, looking for any excuse to destroy something.  Does it get more left-wing than that?

White, male, poorly educated men. It reeks of leftism!!😆

6 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

If you don't like what I write, or don't find it relevant, you can just ignore it.  If you want to try to make out I wrote something I didn't, just so you can disagree, equally, feel free to ignore.

 

I am not making out you wrote something which you didn't. Your words: "Some people might claim that vandalism and destruction of property is in some way a creative expression of something.", and that's what I commented on: Imo it's not unreasonable to think that on a thread about a court case concerned with the felling of a tree that the posts might be related to that subject.

 

Anyway, enjoy your weekend.

Both are a pair of morons that should be jailed long enough to think about their gay entitlement and mental issues... 10 years should be about right.

18 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Didn't see you wringing hands or cluthcing pearls for Brits on the Huw Edwards thread...

 

Kids? Trees? 

 

 

Pathetic whataboutery, just <deleted>.

Here again I think a week in one of these things would "get their minds right."

 

Bear in mind the public is permitted throw all sorts of things at them.   But then they can be washed down.

 

 

 

9 hours ago, emptypockets said:

How did they determine a value exceeding 620,000 damage to the tree?

Doubt any piece of wood is worth that much.

£6200,000 was the calculated cost using a valuation system known as Capital Asset Value for Amenity Trees or CAVAT.

 

It's basically the estimated cost of planting, tending and growing a replacement tree in the same location until it's the same size as the original tree. Considering that it would take over a hundred years to do so, £620,000 might be a conservative estimate.

20 hours ago, Tug said:

How sad I’m sorry for you Brit’s that absolutely sucks it’s times like this I think they should bring back the stocks.a bit of public shaming seems appropriate.again sorry 😞 

Looks like it could be up to 10 years in prison. Foolish behaviour. 

11 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Is that an expensive designer haircut from a hairdressers in a shopping mall ?

Finished off with a chainsaw no doubt. 

10 hours ago, emptypockets said:

The OP said more than 1000 to the wall and 620,000 to the tree.

I could understand if it was the other way around. Unless that are counting the economic value of the tree such tourism value etc.

Especially as the wall was built in Roman times. 

5 hours ago, bendejo said:

Here again I think a week in one of these things would "get their minds right."

 

Bear in mind the public is permitted throw all sorts of things at them.   But then they can be washed down.

 

 

 

 

 

In China

 

 

 

Public caning in Indonesia

 

 

Indonesian Walk of Shame

 

 

 

Public flogging in Iran

 

 

Public flogging in India

 

 

11 year old boys undergoing public punishment in Nepal

 

 

 

 

 

 

Use of the Stocks remains on the UK statute books. The last time  the stocks were use was 1872. The last time the pillory (which was banned) was used was 1830. The convicted would be given a choice of one hour in the pillory or transportation to Australia.

 

 

In Hansard, when they debated the abolition of the Pillory it turned out one of the reasons was it made a mockery of the law if the person in the pillory had the support of the crowd, or was a sympathetic character.

 

The case of Dr. Shebbeare was a remarkable one. He had been sentenced to the pillory; but though this was intended as a disgrace, if turned out a sort of triumph. He was put upon, but not in the pillory; the sheriff held an umbrella over his head to shelter him from the rain or the sun; and a servant stood by to attend upon and hand

him refreshment, while he was at the same time applauded by the spectators: so that the punishment, instead of being disgraceful to him, was an insult upon the law.

 

Another case applicable to the point was that of Daniel Isaac Eaton. He had been put in the pillory for a very serious offence, that of endeavouring to throw contempt and ridicule on the fundamental principles of the Christian religion; and as an example to the prisoners, he presumed, he was pilloried opposite to Newgate gaol: but the crowd, probably from some mistake as to the nature of his offence, applauded him. In this case, too, the punishment was far more lenient than the judges intended.

 

A person was pilloried in Southwark for an unnatural crime, and the criminal was so treated by the mob that he actually died the moment he was taken from the machine. Judge Eyre, in a case where one had by perjury attempted to swear away another person's life, had refrained from inflicting the punishment of the pillory, on the very ground that the punishment might in reality be different from what the Court intended.

 

Earl Stanhope objected to the pillory, because it was a punishment so likely to be unequal in its operation: for instance, if the noble Secretary and himself were sentenced to the pillory for libels, especially on the discussion of the Corn Bill, his apprehension was that the noble Secretary would have been confoundedly pelted, while he (lord S.) would have escaped any ill treatment from the public.

 

https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/1815-07-05/debates/3c82cd34-05f8-4825-9bf0-9f70e6fb8b7e/PilloryAbolitionBill

 

And later on in  a different debate

 

The stocks, bread and water, corporal punishment, the pillory, cutting off the ears, branding with a hot iron, slavery, transportation, and hanging had been tried at various periods; and when these cruelties were abandoned, we had been content to employ the milder punishment of the treadmill or the tramp-ward.

 

 

 

Naughty boys, need a fine for that.

Jail is only for face book posters.

But all just a massive. 

 

11 hours ago, BLMFem said:

White, male, poorly educated men. It reeks of leftism!!😆

Also reeks and looks like another demographic we have here in the states ehhh??….bring back public humiliation and caning in public 2 days in stocks with your whipped fanney exposed for all to see then jail.now that’s deterrence!!!

4 minutes ago, Tug said:

Also reeks and looks like another demographic we have here in the states ehhh??….bring back public humiliation and caning in public 2 days in stocks with your whipped fanney exposed for all to see then jail.now that’s deterrence!!!

Don’t threaten me with a good time…

Some off topic deflection posts and replies have been removed as this topic is not about BLM.

On 5/10/2025 at 2:15 PM, zepplin said:

What a pair of absolute bellends! Britain had talent, NOT , hope they get 5 years each in jail!

 

 

They should get a lot worse than 5 years.  Death penalty would be better. 

Start executing scum and eventually you have less scum and less crime.