1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

Another shameless stunt from the circus clown. He dishonors America daily. He is not making America great again. Trump is making the US far less relevant. 

 

Yep.

The criminally corrupt grifter has damaged the American brand PERMANENTLY.

Americans will be much poorer nation because of our moron president.

Except for his billionaire cronies of course.

Enough to make all decent Americans VOMIT.

36 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Perhaps. But the Blacks are now in charge. They control the levers of power at every level.  Boers are the oppressed minority, facing discrimination. 

I asked Grok "Are the Boers in South Africa oppressed?" The answer it gave is roughly my impression of the current situation. I only attached the conclusion because the answer it gave was long and detailed. Well worth a read, though.

2 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

I asked Grok "Are the Boers in South Africa oppressed?" The answer it gave is roughly my impression of the current situation. I only attached the conclusion because the answer it gave was long and detailed. Well worth a read, though.

Well, if Grok says it..... must be true.

 

I am waiting for the video clip of an Afrikaaner politician sing/changing "kill the blacks!" in front of a cheering stadium. 

Or the marauding gangs of Afrikaners dragging innocent black people out of their homes and murdering them. 

This thread is priceless. Irrational fear and hatred of Trump has caused the forum "liberals" to side with genocidal maniacs. You couldn't make up this level of irrationality and ridiculousness. 

One of my favorite Dead songs, Help on the way. But is it? I think they are too far gone.

40 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Currently, correct.

 

Still doesn’t change the fact that “they” have descended into another 3rd world cesspool.

 

Without the help of Britain.  They managed quite well on their own.

That's totally wrong.

Of course it is Britain's fault. If Britons wouldn't have exploited the country but give the Blacks a good education, and invested in infrastructure.....aso....it could be a better place now.

17 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Well, if Grok says it..... must be true.

 

I am waiting for the video clip of an Afrikaaner politician sing/changing "kill the blacks!" in front of a cheering stadium. 

Or the marauding gangs of Afrikaners dragging innocent black people out of their homes and murdering them. 

That wouldn't be advisable as they're (whites) only 7% of the population. But under apartheid I'm sure you would have found examples of this.

41 minutes ago, candide said:

Trump is lying, as usual....😆

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/05/trumps-south-africa-genocide-spin/

To be proven correct after the left wing media "fact check" is exposed as BS, as usual.

5 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Fine - but be diplomatic and polite for long term relations - and he seems to have a narrow area of concern which is .. not surprising ..nice to see him bring up similar issues with other countries .. rich oil producing middle east countries perhaps

Why ?
Thats what got us in this mess.

Where I come from people expect the truth and are thick skinned enough to not get their feelings hurt. I would have zero respect for Trump had he not called him out.

6 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

To be proven correct after the left wing media "fact check" is exposed as BS, as usual.

Post to be ignored for being baseless, as usual! 😆

7 hours ago, NickyLouie said:

 

Visit Suid Afrika before running your mouth and looking like a fool.

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/05/president-trump-is-right-about-whats-happening-in-south-africa/

 

 

 

 

So verification of what Trump is claiming comes from the WH that he runs??😂

33 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

This thread is priceless. Irrational fear and hatred of Trump has caused the forum "liberals" to side with genocidal maniacs. You couldn't make up this level of irrationality and ridiculousness. 

One of my favorite Dead songs, Help on the way. But is it? I think they are too far gone.

Nothing irrational! Just highlighting that Trump is lying, as usual! 😆

8 minutes ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

Why ?
Thats what got us in this mess.

Where I come from people expect the truth and are thick skinned enough to not get their feelings hurt. I would have zero respect for Trump had he not called him out.

But it's a bit selective is the point. White farmers at threat. Shut down the meeting and show some likely biased video - biased as it is a fairly contentious argument he is making. But visiting rich countries or talking to Putin - human rights issues - no need to discuss. Come on - be honest - have I got a point. 

14 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Keep believing that.

 

Fact is, they’re incapable.

Fact is, Britain brutally exploited Rhodesia 

8 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Fact is, Britain brutally exploited Rhodesia 

 

 

You must be running out of reasons to peddle your Britophobia.

10 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Just another day in Washington with big Don and his ridiculous antics. You can dress a clown up in royal garments but that doesn't mean he's any less of a clown. 

 

Or maybe I meant to say a $200 blue suit from Target. 

 

I usually don’t get involved in the political threads on the forum, but I must admit I am drawn to them like a moth to a flame or to the proverbial slow motion train wreck. For shock and entertainment. But I will make an exception today, because the above comment I saw from @spidermike007 just cannot go unanswered. This also includes a lot of his “mates”, but I shall not bother to name them here, we all know who they are by now, as do they of course. Either they are pure trolls, they participate in the inane “post-count competition”, or they are just grossly uninformed, willfully or otherwise. On the flip side, there are also many well informed commenters here. We don’t have always to agree, but we should discuss issues and facts.

So when faced with a serious and complex subject like what is going on in South Africa, the best you can come up with is a sad little attack on Trump, and a very unfunny “joke” about the price of his suit. Really? Really? Pathetic. Have you ever even been to South Africa? Have you studied the background and history? Anything at all? Do you even care?

This will be a bit long, but hopefully worth reading if you care about the world around you. It is a parallel to the Russia/Ukraine debacle, where I am met with “Russia attacked, so nothing more to discuss”. Well a lot actually, because history and context matters. A lot. But just for the record: I am NOT condoning apartheid, nor am I a Putin apologist. So just don’t bother to go there.

I am not claiming to be an expert, but I did spend five years living and working there (in Pinetown, outside Durban), and travelled extensively around the country, talking to people everywhere, from all walks of life, including my own employees and people in squatter camps and “black townships”. Man did they have tales to tell. South Africa was a great country, with great natural resources, geography, infrastructure, climate, people and a promising future. I wish I could write “is”, but I am not sure if the situation can be turned around before it is too late, before we have “Zimbabwe V2.0”. I still hope to be proven wrong!

I was there in the 1990s, during the time that Madiba (Mandela) was released from prison, the first free election held, and the setting up of the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, headed by Archbishop Desmond Tutu. It was a time of amazing energy, hope, and good will. The highly troubled peoples finally seemed to have some sense of a common purpose and vision of better times to come. And with a stellar statesman like Madiba at the helm, what could possibly go wrong? Well, too much was resting on Madiba’s shoulders, and when he died, things started to unravel. I shall not bore you with details, read up for yourself if you care. But the short story is that without competent and strong leadership infighting, corruption, greed and hatred started to get the upper hand.

There are many articles and videos on the interweb to study, one I found interesting and scary was Lauren Southern’s “Farmlands” (from 2018):

I can promise you the situation has not improved in the 7 years since then. We also now have the collapse of Eskom (national electricity utility), where it is so run into the ground that it can no longer provide stable power to consumers and businesses.

I remember hearing about the government of Zambia reaching out to the white Afrikaaner farmers (from South Africa, Namibia and Zimbabwe) and inviting them to settle in Zambia. They got cheap/free farmland to help move agriculture forward to modern standards so Zambia could feed its people. A very smart move indeed, because these people know how to farm!

I will not engage in a mudslinging contest, and therefore not answer any responses unless they are showing genuine interest and curiosity, and is contributing to a better understanding of the issue. Then I’m all yours!
 

10 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Just another day in Washington with big Don and his ridiculous antics. You can dress a clown up in royal garments but that doesn't mean he's any less of a clown. 

 

Or maybe I meant to say a $200 blue suit from Target. 

Yes i have been to South Africa, soweto, Johannesburg etc. you are correct and criticism of you needs addressing. Trump seems to be pissed off at South Africa for political reasons . The below is from the ABC and taken from correspondents in cape town:

Both white and Black farmers and even conservative white Afrikaner groups debunked the Trump administration’s “genocide” and land seizure claims that led the U.S. to cut all financial aid to South Africa. Farmers agree that violent crime is a problem for everyone.

 

Latest stats from South Africa 

"the latest figures show that nearly 10,000 people were murdered in the country between October and December 2024. Of these, a dozen were killed in farm attacks and of the 12, one was a farmer, while five were farm dwellers and four were employees, who are likely to have been black."

Trump lies through ommision

11 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

You must be running out of reasons to peddle your Britophobia.

It's just about to get things straight. Even you wouldn't like to hear.

33 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Tell the idiot reporter like it is Donny.

 

Love it!

 

 

 Trump couldn't handle reporters' questions as usual. Talk about thin skinned.

During a bilateral meeting with South African President Cyril Ramaphosa, Trump did not hold back when NBC News correspondent Peter Alexander pressed him on his refugee policy.

Alexander asked: "Mr. President, you’ve welcomed white Afrikaner refugees here, can you explain to Americans why it’s appropriate to welcome white Afrikaans here when other refugees like Afghans, Venezuelans, Haitians have all had their protective status revoked?"

Trump snapped back and told the NBC reporter, "Well, this is a group, NBC, that is truly fake news. They ask a lot of questions in a very pointed way. They’re not questions, they’re statements."

Donald Trump Melts Down as He Hurls Insults at Reporters

Come on Mr Trump, admit it. You can't answer the question, as usual!

 

 

Its political theatre, and the "asylum seekers" are pawns. Note, they are not being fast tracked as citizens, just as refugees. Refugee status is usually canceled  when there is a judgement that the reason to be a refugee is no longer there. This doesn't have to be based on hard facts, but a political determination. Hence. Afghan translators and former members of the ANA being returned to Afghanistan, following assurances from the Taliban government  that they won't be taken to a football stadium and put down like dogs......

 

https://www.uscis.gov/newsroom/news-releases/dhs-terminating-temporary-protected-status-for-afghanistan

 

 

 

Or South Sudanese feeling a civil war being returned to a civil war.

 

Apparently 7000 white South Africans are interested in becoming refugees in the US; that leaves 4.393 million who are not interested in becoming refugees in the US.

 

Trump, remember, loved Nelson Mandela, loaned him a plane (apparently).

 

 

Its the same nonsense about creating econonmic leverage; Trump doesn't give two hoots about some Afrikaaner who barely speaks any English. His number 1 priority is always America's interests, and its not in America's interests to have non-English speaking Afrikaaner come to America to take jobs away from American farm labourers (presumably these refugees have arrived with barely the shirts of their pink or bronzed backs). But he has seen numbers about how much of the South African economy is controled by that 7%. So he thinks he  can create leverage on South Africa. There's nothing South Africa makes that America really wants. But in the room with them was Elon Musk, putting on his usual constipated look. There was constant reference to him in the conversation. Its about getting Starlink access to South Africa.

 

Elon Musk isn't an Afrikaaner; his dad came from 1st or 2nd generation English stock. His Grandad was from Minnesota. Afrikaaner kids used to beat him up at school. He "fled" South Africa rather than serving a day in the white South African Defence Force fighting poor black people (and their Cuban/German advisors) in Angola. At least, that's what he says.

 

He was brought up in a household where his dad was nominally an inclusive, anti-Apartheid South African and a mum who was very much her father's daughter (who moved to South Africa because he thought seperation of the races was a good idea, and he didn't like Jews).

 

As soon as the Americans get the deal they want; changes in South African company law to allow Starlink to set up, those South African refugees will find their status canceled faster than you can say Afghan Special Forces. They will rue the day they don't have Plan C,

 

5 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Gotta be fair here. Nobody cares about what Biden may or may not have done.

 

Trump brought the goods and didn't let the press or the horrid PM of South Africa control the proceedings. He correctly guessed that the issue of the Boer asylum seekers would come up, and prepared accordingly. He and his staff did a masterful job preparing the this meeting.

 

It's always the hypocrisy.

3 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

It's about Trump. Biden is not mentioned. 

 

It's about the hypocrisy. Always us. 

57 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

So verification of what Trump is claiming comes from the WH that he runs??😂

 

And Biden didn't have severe dementia when in the White House because CNN said it ?

 

 

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

It's just about to get things straight. Even you wouldn't like to hear.

 

 

Now you think you are educating me!  😂

 

 

You would be the first in the queue to knock over statues of people you consider guilty of historical 'crimes'.

 

 

Oh to just look at life with the benefit of hindsight.

 

Woke is, as woke does.

7 minutes ago, NickyLouie said:

 

And Biden didn't have severe dementia when in the White House because CNN said it ?

 

 

Really getting desperate there, buddy. What deflection are you gonna use next, Hillary's e-mails, the laptop, Soros?

4 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Really getting desperate there, buddy. What deflection are you gonna use next, Hillary's e-mails, the laptop, Soros?

 

 

You are really struggling to cope with defeat, aren't you?

8 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

I wonder who is next on Trump's list of world leaders to get told their pedigree rather than getting their pocket pi**ed in.

 

Zelensky got what he deserved, as did Mr. Ramaphosa.  Starmer got off very lightly and was probably thanking the Gods all the way to the airport. 

 

 

The only one so far who is treated as an equal, because he really is, is Nayib Bukele, the Pres. of El Salvador. They must be from the same family.

9 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Really getting desperate there, buddy. What deflection are you gonna use next, Hillary's e-mails, the laptop, Soros?

 

Why u so btthurt ?

 

Trump is doing God's work.....

 

Just now, ThreeCardMonte said:

Fact is.  45 years later still a cesspool.

Name only one British colony where Britains left as friends? None. Kicked out everywhere.

Why? Because they treated the people brutally, killed them, took their resources and left like thieves.

4 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Fact is.  45 years later still a cesspool.

 

 

Rhodesia or Britain.

 

I only ask because some posters will jump on the opportunity to think you are talking about Britain.

4 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

I’m shocked you feel that way.

 

You have much in common.  You advocate electric vehicles.

 

Trump has a Tesla now.  You should be praising him.

Eh?  I drive a petrol vehicle if you must know, but quite what that has to do with Donald Trump I have no idea!