2 minutes ago, JakeC said:

 

 

It obviously bothers you otherwise why do you protest so much?

You do have issues with self esteem, otherwise you wouldn't pay. You accept that you are only worthy of her, if you pay.

 

That is completely distinct from someone being able to take care of someone. You are saying clearly that what you have to offer is a good lifestyle. So why are the girls cheating on you? Are your finances not enough for them?

Something is missing, isn't it? It's something you haven't got. That's why you are here trying to defend your behaviour. To some, you may look like the cuckold. But you prefer to see it in another way.

That's okay. But understand that your perspective isn't the only one that stands on this planet. Others may see it differently. Enjoy your time.

Is it bad if they dont stay faithful? I recommend switching them for a new one every three months anyway

12 minutes ago, JakeC said:

It obviously bothers you otherwise why do you protest so much?

 

Not at all, you raised it, I am replying.

 

12 minutes ago, JakeC said:

You do have issues with self esteem, otherwise you wouldn't pay. You accept that you are only worthy of her, if you pay.

 

No, the reason I pay is because I decided this girl is mine, so I feel responsible for her. Financially too.  

 

I don't ask if I am worthy of a woman, i: ask if she is worthy of me.

 

Because looks will fade, but what I:offer will just get better with time, so I am more valuable than her from the start.

 

12 minutes ago, JakeC said:

So why are the girls cheating on you?

 

Some girls cheat. They want to excercise their "options" and have low integrity. That has nothing to do with me. Elvis, Cary Grant, Johnny Depp, George Harrison, they were all cheated on. It's a decision the woman makes.

 

Some girls have a high need for adventure and excitement. It's not about the man. It's about the woman. A woman who cheats takes 25 or 50 decisions to cheat. It's on her.

 

12 minutes ago, JakeC said:

Something is missing, isn't it?

 

Yes, integrity and honesty from the girls is missing.

 

Again, I note you do not state what it is about your character that you think makes women stay with you, when you don't pay them 1 Baht. So there's nothing then? It's just empty nonsense, this character talk?

A 22 year old Thai gal who is that low on the social totem pole selling bubble tea would never be bold enough to ask and older farang for that kind of money unless they are being coached. These gals have learned to surround themselves with wiser and more mature people who are pros at getting in the pockets of farangs. They have told her exactly how to go after you and milk you for all she can get. Been there....done that! Right now, she is dealing from a position of strength with that little carrot between her legs, and you need to learn to play the game. Offer her half of what she is asking, then YOU use your money as a carrot and tell her that later on you will consider increasing her salary based on how the relationship goes. This will give you more time to size her up and see how she handles the money you give her. If she starts with the constant sob stories to get more money out of you, then you will know exactly what kind of game she is playing. It is important that you understand that she doesn't really love you like you may love her, and you are entering into a financial arrangement/business transaction. See it for what it is and don't kid yourself.  

1 hour ago, FriscoKid said:

I say @JakeC and @Cameroni - and anyone else involved in this "who is the biggest swinging dick" battle all just post your chick and dick pics and let us all be the judge of it all. That's the only way to settle this heated bromance. You need 3rd party opinions. We will vote, be fair, honest, and declare the winner as to who is the biggest dick. Promise. You can trust us all. We deal with this sort of thing here regularly on AN. We will keep it all private and nobody will know. Let the battle of the cucks begin!

 

Lol, absolutely hilarious, grown, middle-aged men foaming at the mouth over whose wife or girlfriend is hotter. This is grammar school playground nonsense, like trading insults over whose mum packs the better lunch. You genuinely couldn’t script this level of pathetic. It’s like watching a group of toddlers in suits slap-fighting over who’s got the shinier toy. Embarrassing doesn’t even begin to cover it.

I feel like I am at a tennis match .   Neck starting to hurt .  🙄

 

 

2 minutes ago, fittobethaied said:

Right now, she is dealing from a position of strength with that little carrot between her legs

Not a bearded walnut?

On 5/24/2025 at 9:04 AM, kiwikeith said:

Beware of BF in the background 

Be careful happened to me years ago, a good lesson, I was new and green then. 

 

Yeah, any fixed amount salary is suspicious and there could definitely be a BF in the background.

To be safer, have her move in, pay for rent and food, go shopping with her and buy her stuff, etc ... so you know where the money is going. It means she wants to be with you. 

Otherwise, she could be funneling that money to her BF and hatching an escape plan when she has enough. 

 

5 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Yeah, any fixed amount salary is suspicious and there could definitely be a BF in the background.

To be safer, have her move in, pay for rent and food, go shopping with her and buy her stuff, etc ... so you know where the money is going. It means she wants to be with you. 

Otherwise, she could be funneling that money to her BF and hatching an escape plan when she has enough. 

 

She just figures he wants her as a Mia Noi - thus the asking price. The Thai Mia Noi culture is as old as the country.  

12 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Your post received 3 'thumbs down'.......surely o God he cannot have two more aliases. 

his mother's on here 

11 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

She just figures he wants her as a Mia Noi - thus the asking price. The Thai Mia Noi culture is as old as the country.  

so that means what? you see her 2-3 times a week, but she doesn't move in? 

 

if you don't get emotionally attached and understand and accept that she probably has another boyfriend, then maybe it's fine. Then just do the math between paying a bar girl 2-3 times a week, although this arrangement is much more of a girlfriend experience.

 

But this crap doesn't work for me. 

 

this thread was painful to go thru. OP, buy a nintendo switch and a few games for like 500 dollars. Sex bots will be available soon enough 

On 5/22/2025 at 8:51 PM, 123Stodg said:

She mentioned around 30,000 baht a month would really help them out.

 

How much are you making to not realize this is a BIG amount for a monthly payment? You're her sugar daddy. That's it. Refuse to pay and see how she treats you after that.

43 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

so that means what? you see her 2-3 times a week, but she doesn't move in? 

 

if you don't get emotionally attached and understand and accept that she probably has another boyfriend, then maybe it's fine. Then just do the math between paying a bar girl 2-3 times a week, although this arrangement is much more of a girlfriend experience.

 

But this crap doesn't work for me. 

 

Probably 2-3 times a week, I guess - assuming she doesn't have a husband or live-in bf. Typically, though, (the Thai way) of having a Mia Noi would mean she's set up in an apartment somewhere - less than 10k a month rent - and he provides all finances for her utilities and food. Then he takes her shopping each week (probably midweek as he's married and needs the weekend for the family). For those of us living in Bangkok it's pretty obvious when we see what appears to be a Mia Noi and her Thai guy/financier. The stereotype is a Thai guy in his mid-late 50s and a Thai girl in her late 20s or early 30s walking around a shopping mall with several bags from fashion stores. There's an old joke - 'Western guys talk about having affairs but rarely do it, while Thai guys do it a lot but rarely talk about it'. But yeah, it doesn't work for me either. One wife is enough!  (edit to add that the Mia Noi usually knows she's the minor wife, and it is purely transactional, but not always).

11 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

One wife is enough!  (

 

My simple mind can't grasp these things.

The middle-aged guy is risking losing his wife and family.

 

The young girl is wasting time with sth that will end, when she can be looking for a real boyfriend. Maybe he would have less money and buy her less bling, but she's still wasting time and her biological clock is ticking and when it ends with this guy, then what? She's back to being alone? 

 

I don't even get why there are hordes and hordes of women in the bars. Is there a shortage of men in the country?

 

 

Just drop her money at the right time and place for what you're getting out of the relationship. 

 

Bring up the money. Say you like to help her out...give her money to cover past tet-e-tet and say you'll see what you can do. Carry on..pay her out as fitting.

 

When it's not enough she'll drop you. 

 

She's already made the relationship transactional. 

 

I think 30k is about the amount a Thai pays to keep a fairly smoking hot woman in a condo somewhere with frequent vip visiting privileges and 24hr availability
😗

 

I'd definitely give her money for the past time together as well**

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Another poster here, who has seen her pic, has already posted that she is uniquely attractive. I have no need to verify this with you. You however, seem not so sure, and need others' approval on how hot your girl is? That just confirms to me that mine is hotter. There is no doubt in my mind. Why would I go through all this work when I know already she is hotter? It can't be any other way. That would just be expending energy for nothing.

 

As we've observed before, you shared an house with a woman you found highly attractive who, despite your efforts, didn't reciprocate affection. You then detailed her infidelity with men you described as older and less attractive, a situation that evidently caused you considerable emotional distress.

 

This seems to be a recurring theme for individuals who prioritize financial contributions in relationships, often leading to a mistaken belief that a deeper connection exists beyond transactional companionship. Your current online activity where you try to convince everyone how hot your girl is appears to reinforce this perception.

 

Considering your prior experiences, it wouldn't be surprising if you found yourself in a similar situation within a year, were she to leave you for another tourist in Thailand.

She is getting coached by friends or Facebook. It's a pride thing. Thai people have all heard how much some farangs pay to support a gf.  30 k isn't a real bragging amount either.  

We don't have many facts.  Your age, salary, what's the probability you will want or can  stay in Thailand a lifetime.  Her living conditions, proximity to where you live.   Have you talked about her moving in.   Do you talk enough to know your her only guy. Maybe she doesn't feel your worth playing the long game. 

I feel they really feel pressured by friends and social media to see how much the man will support her.   To a Thai, support is part of the love equation. Maybe it's the same for Western women but usually less obvious.  Just remember there are 1000 others like her.  

 

12 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

As we've observed before, you shared an house with a woman you found highly attractive who, despite your efforts, didn't reciprocate affection. You then detailed her infidelity with men you described as older and less attractive, a situation that evidently caused you considerable emotional distress.

 

It was one man, he was not "older", he was younger, what I said was that he was not attractive. And yes, her cheating caused me significant emotional distress, and a lot more distress to her. Cheating is always a distressing experience for all parties concerned.

 

14 minutes ago, Celsius said:

This seems to be a recurring theme for individuals who prioritize financial contributions in relationships,

 

I don't prioritize financial contributions at all. Quite the opposite. 

 

15 minutes ago, Celsius said:

often leading to a mistaken belief that a deeper connection exists beyond transactional companionship.

 

The belief was not mistaken, there was a deeper connection, she was in my bed crying two days ago.

 

16 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Your current online activity where you try to convince everyone how hot your girl is appears to reinforce this perception.

 

I am not trying to convince anyone, as you saw I rejected someone's request for a hotness contest. I merely said another poster had already seen she was very attractive, and that poster has confirmed that. I don't need to convince anyone of how hot she is, that is self evident.

 

17 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Considering your prior experiences, it wouldn't be surprising if you found yourself in a similar situation within a year, were she to leave you for another tourist in Thailand.

 

If anyone is leaving it will be me, we are still together now, but I have another girl coming to stay with me  in a few days. Whilst the girl you referred to is extremely hot, I have grave misgivings about her integrity and character.

 

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

It was one man, he was not "older", he was younger, what I said was that he was not attractive. And yes, her cheating caused me significant emotional distress, and a lot more distress to her. Cheating is always a distressing experience for all parties concerned.

 

 

I don't prioritize financial contributions at all. Quite the opposite. 

 

 

The belief was not mistaken, there was a deeper connection, she was in my bed crying two days ago.

 

 

I am not trying to convince anyone, as you saw I rejected someone's request for a hotness contest. I merely said another poster had already seen she was very attractive, and that poster has confirmed that. I don't need to convince anyone of how hot she is, that is self evident.

 

 

If anyone is leaving it will be me, we are still together now, but I have another girl coming to stay with me  in a few days. Whilst the girl you referred to is extremely hot, I have grave misgivings about her integrity and character.

 

 

Give me a break. Kamala word salad.

 

It sounds like you're pointing out a contradiction: someone who cheated is described as feeling remorseful in one instance, but then later as lacking integrity and character.

 

That statement only makes sense to people who pay 🙄 

8 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

Give me a break. Kamala word salad.

 

With every tear came redemption, and my torturer became my remedy

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

 

My simple mind can't grasp these things.

The middle-aged guy is risking losing his wife and family.

 

The young girl is wasting time with sth that will end, when she can be looking for a real boyfriend. Maybe he would have less money and buy her less bling, but she's still wasting time and her biological clock is ticking and when it ends with this guy, then what? She's back to being alone? 

 

I don't even get why there are hordes and hordes of women in the bars. Is there a shortage of men in the country?

 

 

Economics of one of the world's most unequal societies is one reason I guess. Not disagreeing with your point, nor making moral observations of Mia Nois or bargirls, but worth bearing in mind the average wage here is USD 10-15 per day for a high school graduate - or around USDS 400 per month (12,000 - 13,000 THB per month). Almost everyone we encounter each day - supermarket cashier, gas station guy, small shop employee, they are all making that kind of low wage. If a bar girl does 2 customers a day (3,000 - 4,000 total let's say), that's more than 70,000 THB per month - around the salary of a bank manager or mid-level accountant. Another reason might be the culture - mai pen rai - and always looking for the easiest way to be 'sabai, sabai' - a sugar daddy or gold-digger would fit that category. So too would all the scammers out there...

On 5/22/2025 at 10:21 PM, 123Stodg said:

She mentioned around 30,000 baht a month would really help them out.

 

Sorry I'm late. Mentioning that amount; I suspect she hasn't always worked at a bubble tea kiosk.🤔

Would this girl ask for 30 k / month from a Thai BF ? Don`t think so . A more usual arrangement would be for both parties to live together and share expenses ( rent , electricity bills , car and food expenses etc ). 

Often , each will work and save some money towards a house or condo purchase in the future .Of course , these long-term relationships usually involve marriage .

On 5/22/2025 at 11:52 PM, pub2022 said:

If you do not care about the money and feel very happy with her then why not?

Just be prepared it is going to be a relationship based on giving money to her. If you turn off the tap it's  probably over.

Btw you did not mention the age gap? That's important!

By the same token, when he gets fed up of her nonsense (and he will), all he needs to do is stop the stipend and she'll vanish, along with all those sweet memories.

 

Unless of course he's cultivated a bunny boiler, then it's change locks, phone number, sell the car and move to Idaho time.

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

I'm not paying her a "salary". 

 

Rather, when a man decides that a woman is his, then he feels repsonsible for her. And he takes care of her. Also financially if that is required.

 

So if she says she needs 2000 or 3000 Baht of course I would take care of her.

 

If you say you do not pay your girl 1 Baht, it tells me you do not feel responsible for her.

 

Now, the issue remains, that you claim you do not pay 1 Baht, but they stay because of your "character". So what is it about your character that makes them stay? When you don't pay 1 Baht?

 

Maybe his "character" is around ten inches and he can breath through his ears?

The troll worked, six pages !

4 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Maybe his "character" is around ten inches and he can breath through his ears?

 

Let's suppose that were so, sex gets old very quickly. If you eat beef every day, why would you stay loyal to beef all your life?

 

But he's claiming the women, whom he pays not one Baht, stay with him because of his character.

 

They don't care about money, lifestyle or social standing...his character is all it takes...hmmmmmm

 

Sounds prettayyy, prettaayyy, prettayyyy unlikely....

On 5/23/2025 at 2:40 AM, Smokin Joe said:

"...makes me feel 20 years younger."

 

Her Thai boyfriend feels 20 years younger also. Because he is.

 

Oh, that's good. That's very good.

24 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Let's suppose that were so, sex gets old very quickly. If you eat beef every day, why would you stay loyal to beef all your life?

 

But he's claiming the women, whom he pays not one Baht, stay with him because of his character.

 

They don't care about money, lifestyle or social standing...his character is all it takes...hmmmmmm

 

Sounds prettayyy, prettaayyy, prettayyyy unlikely....

 

Of course they care about social standing. They are perfectly capable of making their own money. 

 

This is why when farang hooks up with a prostitute they hand over a laptop so she looks busy at chaeng watthana immigration. Got forbid someone mistakes her for a woman of low morals.

 

Even you liked to brag about your girl making 30k working at 7/11 which of course was a total lie 🤣 

 

 

26 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Even you liked to brag about your girl making 30k working at 7/11 which of course was a total lie

 

I wasn't bragging, she told me this. She bought her own condo. I had no reason to doubt her. 

 

27 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Of course they care about social standing. They are perfectly capable of making their own money. 

 

Well of course they do, and they care about a better lifestyle. Even the 711 girl who owned her own condo, you can bet your bottom dollar she wanted a man who would help her get a better condo.

 

In fact she told me, if I come to move to CM with you then you have to pay me X so I can pay my condo. She was totally up front about this. So you say they can earn their own living, yes they can, but they want a man who helps them pay the bills, it's just the way it is. Because they can get away with that. If we could get women to pay our bills, we'd probably do it too.

 

Ultimately I have no problem with hypergamy, a woman selecting for a more competent or richer male. This is how society progresses. Is it harsh on us men sometimes, sure, but this is how society progressed.