Why are there no fat cows in Thailand?

[Hummin]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

I wouldn't assume anything I didn't have proof of. I'm sure many free roaming animals have parasites, but that's still because people let them breed, roam, and cause a nuisance. Animals can't fix themselves or take medicines. That's where their owners come in. Animals left to the wild act like, animals. Animals that are loved and appreciated act like well cared for, loving animals. Just like people. Look at how many crimes there are daily here. The reason starts at home. 

You don't need to assume, I tell you, we have taken care of 4 "stray" dogs stranded with normal Thai village families, and all of them needed month long treatment excuse of parasites and worms. 

 

Most dogs that roams in the streets, gets leftovers and some rice from their "foster" families, but that's it

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Hummin said:

You don't need to assume, I tell you, we have taken care of 4 "stray" dogs stranded with normal Thai village families, and all of them needed month long treatment excuse of parasites and worms. 

 

Most dogs that roams in the streets, gets leftovers and some rice from their "foster" families, but that's it

I know this, as I feed 4 that look at my house as home, and a few more than don't get much food, nor any attention, from their own homes. I've taken care of at least 15 dogs and 8 cats in the last 7 years here, and most have been poisoned by some unstable farmer who doesn't like dogs or my ex's family, as it's happened to over 25 more at their house. 

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

I know this, as I feed 4 that look at my house as home, and a few more than don't get much food, nor any attention, from their own homes. I've taken care of at least 15 dogs and 8 cats in the last 7 years here, and most have been poisoned by some unstable farmer who doesn't like dogs or my ex's family, as it's happened to over 25 more at their house. 

If you didn't give them any treatment it can be they died of other things as well which I mentioned above.

 

We just got two puppies, first thing before took them home, off to the veterinary and get their blood checked, and started vaccine program. 

 

6 days later, one of them got sick, and didn't put on any waight since he arrived. The other one gained 400g. 

 

Turned out it was parasites from ticks which they didn't check for in first place

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Hummin said:

If you didn't give them any treatment it can be they died of other things as well which I mentioned above.

 

We just got two puppies, first thing before took them home, off to the veterinary and get their blood checked, and started vaccine program. 

 

6 days later, one of them got sick, and didn't put on any waight since he arrived. The other one gained 400g. 

 

Turned out it was parasites from ticks which they didn't check for in first place

I said poisoned. I've had animals for 68 years, and know full well how sick people operate, especially when they're only intelligence shows as evil. Suffice to say, if this was America, they would have been stopped soon and never had the chance to do it again. Laws don't mean much here regarding animals. 

[simon43]

I know about Chok Chai farm, but that seems to be the exception to these thin beef cows.  It explains why Thai beef in restaurants tastes terrible....

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I said poisoned. I've had animals for 68 years, and know full well how sick people operate, especially when they're only intelligence shows as evil. Suffice to say, if this was America, they would have been stopped soon and never had the chance to do it again. Laws don't mean much here regarding animals. 

We had one poisoning so far, and what  try to say, it is hard to know the difference if they only get little bit rat poisoning and not enough right away to kill them. Still a slow process 

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Hummin said:

We had one poisoning so far, and what  try to say, it is hard to know the difference if they only get little bit rat poisoning and not enough right away to kill them. Still a slow process 

All of these 40 or so animals had the same symptoms, and all died within a day. Someone is intentionally giving them food with poison. Animals that live next door on all sides to my ex's mom's house have been there for years. One cousin's dog down the street 200 meters also was poisoned but no other animals in the neighborhood. I live just outside the town with my only neighbor also a relative of theirs, 300 meters away. he's lost a few dogs to poison also. 

[Dan O]

4 hours ago, simon43 said:

I'm talking about the bovine sort, not the recent influx of obese Western female tourists in Pattaya...

 

Take a look at this cow that I snapped next to my house...

 

 

That's what all the cows seem to look like in Thailand - thin, certainly not much beef on that animal.

 

What is the point of breeding cows like this?  It's not a dairy cow...

 

Why are there no large, sturdy beef cows?

 

Where are all the dairy cows?

 

I'm confused as to why cattle look so emaciated in Thailand.

Its a combination of influences. The breed of cow for this climate, lack if nutritious grasses to feed on naturally  and no additional supplemental feed to help support them.

[PJ71]

3 hours ago, nightfox said:

Plenty of big healthy dairy cows in Chock Chai farms just outside Bangkok.

imports?

[G Rex]

The cattle in Thailand are Bos indicus species - ie Brahman type cattle.  These breeds are better adapted to hot tropical conditions.  The good cattle (I am very biased here - like hereford and angus) are Bos taurus species. They are suited to more temperate climates and cannot cope with tropical conditions.

Dairy cattle require great nutrition to produce milk - so are found in areas of more guaranteed food supply - eg Chiang Mai or Prachuap Kiri Khan.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 hours ago, Briggsy said:

Aberdeen Angus would be dead of heatstroke within a month. 

 

   Glasgow Gary stayed for a week in Pattaya and went home because it was too hot 

[HappyExpat57]

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Most dogs and cats you see, are full of parasites and worms. That's why

I wouldn't assume anything I didn't have proof of. I'm sure many free roaming animals have parasites, but that's still because people let them breed, roam, and cause a nuisance. Animals can't fix themselves or take medicines. That's where their owners come in. Animals left to the wild act like, animals. Animals that are loved and appreciated act like well cared for, loving animals. Just like people. Look at how many crimes there are daily here. The reason starts at home. 

I saw a soi dog here in LOS some time back that looked like a stuffed sausage. When I said to my friend, "That's one overfed mutt," he explained that they can look that way when severely infested by worms.

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, HappyExpat57 said:

I saw a soi dog here in LOS some time back that looked like a stuffed sausage. When I said to my friend, "That's one overfed mutt," he explained that they can look that way when severely infested by worms.

If it has what looks like a pot belly, abdominal swelling, it can be worms. For the most part, worms have a dog not able to maintain weight. Diarrhea, blood in stools, weight loss are signs of worm infestation.

[swissie]

Thai Cows are "low mainainance" they eat what ever grows on biological "low quality" land. Once you have the land for it, it's a low cost venture and can therefore be quite profitable. I was also told by Thais, that owning cows improves ones image. Why I wasn't told.

 

[kickstart]

10 hours ago, Briggsy said:

Aberdeen Angus would be dead of heatstroke within a month. 

Wrong, we have crossing Angus bulls on our Thai beef cows for some years now, without any heat stroke problems, and we use to get above market price for our cattle.

They are a few Angus X Frisian bulls about looking fit and well.

Most of the good quality beef you buy in Thailand are Charolais x Brahman, normally 65% Charolais 35% Brahman.

 

To put things into perspective, most of these things you see grazing beside a road, as has been said, are low investment they are often kept as a bank any family problems, someone dies, Son becomes a monk, they just sell a few cattle to pay for it all.

My neighbor has some beef cattle, a few years ago sold a couple of bulls and brought a secondhand tractor for his rice fields, practically no investments.

Now he will have to sell more than a couple of cattle to buy a tractor market price is well down, not a of cattle being sold in the hope the price will go up, if it is like past markets they will have a long wait.

[soi3eddie]

12 hours ago, Asean Tiger said:

Brangus  or Angus bred to Brangus worked in the humid Texas heat

 

I know of someone (a farang and his Thai collaboration), breeding, raising and slaughtering Brangus in Thailand. They had a restaurant tasting last week which was acclaimed by the restaurant owner who hosted their event.

 

[Asean Tiger]

18 hours ago, Woke to Sounds said:

 

Not sure about the weather, but could the fat cows in TX be injected with growth hormone and godknowswhat else?

 

Everything in the US is done with expediency, incl food production, no?

Hormones in US beef yes, and dairy. More important are  genetics and life cycle/feed management. 

[kickstart]

6 hours ago, Asean Tiger said:

Hormones in US beef yes, and dairy. More important are  genetics and life cycle/feed management. 

Good point, but here in Thailand it is feed and Managment, with the main souse of roughage being rice straw, very little grass is feed to cattle, what grass is feed will rough natural grass very little grass is grown from seed, the average yield for a Thai dairy cow would be12-14kg/day ,compared with 25+kg/day for our cows.

Same with beef cattle, they are thin due to poor grass and rice straw.

On the genetic side American semen is readily available in Thailand, but with poor conception rate, due poor diet, it is also expensive, semen of less quality and price is used.

No hormones are used in Thailand, it has been used, but again with poor feed/ management they were no advantages of using hormones.