Dr Aseem Malhotra - White House insiders say the MRNA shot will be pulled from the market

[transam]

15 hours ago, KhaoHom said:

 

Penicillin is generally used as a treatment not a prevention. Vaccines are sold as prevention. Jus saying..

I was just saying..............😉

[spidermike007]

18 hours ago, gamb00ler said:

Cedars-Sinai has a blog post about this topic.   Unfortunately it isn't straightforward to read it.  I can only read it by using the Brave browser in the speadreader mode.  But here is the link:

https://www.cedars-sinai.org/blog/boosting-your-immune-system.html

 

Here's the intro to the blog entry:

 

The idea of boosting your immune system is appealing, but is it even possible to build up your immune system so that you rarely get sick?

Dr. Suzanne Cassel, an immunologist at Cedars-Sinai, says that the concept of boosting your immune system is inaccurate. There's also widely held confusion about how your immune system functions and how your body is designed to combat diseases and infections.

"You actually don't want your immune system to be stronger, you want it to be balanced."

There are a lot of fabulously ignorant doctors out there, and typically doctors do not believe in diet, herbal supplements or other things that can be used to boost the immune system and create a healthy environment for the body. They have no idea and they're completely unwilling to even admit that there might be a connection.

 

To my mind, that's the ultimate definition of ignorance. 

[gamb00ler]

26 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

There are a lot of fabulously ignorant doctors out there, and typically doctors do not believe in diet, herbal supplements or other things that can be used to boost the immune system and create a healthy environment for the body. They have no idea and they're completely unwilling to even admit that there might be a connection.

 

To my mind, that's the ultimate definition of ignorance. 

The person quoted in the article is an immunologist who probably is a researcher rather than treating patients.  I'll take her opinion any day in comparison to yours.

 

I'm curious... who trained you?

[Stiddle Mump]

“Vaccination is the most outrageous insult that can be offered to any pure-minded man or woman. It is the boldest and most impious attempt to mar the works of God that has been attempted for ages. The stupid blunder of doctor-craft has wrought all the evil that it ought, and it is time that free American citizens arise in their might and blot out the whole blood-poisoning business.”

 

Dr J Peebles (MD, PhD: His book; 'Vaccination: A curse and a menace to personal liberty.'

[xylophone]

6 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Ah! The "narrative". Seems your mind is still closed and you are a "true believer" in what MSM tells you. As for Ivermectin and for that matter Hydroxychloroquine there is data to support efficacy in combating the severity of symptoms if given very early in the onset of symptoms. These drugs were dismissed as being useful by a study or two (funded by big pharma?) that showed these drugs were ineffective but what these studies did was give the drugs too late into to the onset guaranteeing their lack of efficacy. BTW both these drugs were used in Thailand until the WHO citing these studies told countries to stop using these drugs and instead rely on the brand new experimental "vaccines". In conjunction with the push to use the jabs was a campaign of demonisation which we all remember and some of the ignorant on here still maintain. "Ivermectin is for horses not people" is an excellent example. This in and of itself is misinformation but was used as a propaganda tool for big pharma and pushed heavily by MSM.

I'm a true believer in facts and what the thousands upon thousands of doctors, medical specialists, professors, universities and research establishments also believe, and I am a subscriber to several medical publications which are only available to "qualified medical personnel", so I am able to verify that which I read as regards treatment for the likes of Covid et al.

 

The supposed "facts" which you quote as regards the use of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine have also been discredited and disproved as has "research" carried out by organisations like America's Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) so do your own research on this right-wing group rather than condeming mine!

 

So all in all, you are the one who is being misled by the "conspiracy theory" type narrative, obviously because it fits your own. Touché.

[dinsdale]

30 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I'm a true believer in facts and what the thousands upon thousands of doctors, medical specialists, professors, universities and research establishments also believe, and I am a subscriber to several medical publications which are only available to "qualified medical personnel", so I am able to verify that which I read as regards treatment for the likes of Covid et al.

 

The supposed "facts" which you quote as regards the use of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine have also been discredited and disproved as has "research" carried out by organisations like America's Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) so do your own research on this right-wing group rather than condeming mine!

 

So all in all, you are the one who is being misled by the "conspiracy theory" type narrative, obviously because it fits your own. Touché.

It was a fact was it not that if you got jabbed you wouldn't get covid. This "fact" of course changed when it was clear that you could. Were you a true believer when you were told if you get jabbed you won't get covid? As for doctor's, professors etc. funding and the threat of pulling funding from big pharma determined what was being said and what wasn't. Personally I regard professors etc. who are not funded by big pharma and are truly independent more than those who rely on big pharma money.

[Stiddle Mump]

10 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I'm a true believer in facts and what the thousands upon thousands of doctors, medical specialists, professors, universities and research establishments also believe, and I am a subscriber to several medical publications which are only available to "qualified medical personnel", so I am able to verify that which I read as regards treatment for the likes of Covid et al.

 

The supposed "facts" which you quote as regards the use of ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine have also been discredited and disproved as has "research" carried out by organisations like America's Frontline Doctors (AFLDS) so do your own research on this right-wing group rather than condeming mine!

 

So all in all, you are the one who is being misled by the "conspiracy theory" type narrative, obviously because it fits your own. Touché.

As it goes, I am a member of AFLDS. 

 

The point being that the two chemicals mentioned by you in your post; 'hydroxychloroquine', and 'ivermectin' suppress symptoms. 

 

i do not subscribe to the notion that the suppression of symptoms is a good thing. On the contrary stopping the body doing it's natural healing is bad. And can, IMO, lead to serious problems down the track. Maybe years down the track. Why do I say this? Because, if the symptoms are stopped, the body has then, not only a new toxin to deal with, but has not finished it's clean out, and must take other measures. Like tucking the toxins, that the symptoms were getting rid of, away somewhere. This can obviously lead to a cancerous outcome at a later stage.

 

Can't emphasiz\se the point enough; the cure is the symptoms in action.

[dinsdale]

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

As it goes, I am a member of AFLDS. 

 

The point being that the two chemicals mentioned by you in your post; 'hydroxychloroquine', and 'ivermectin' suppress symptoms. 

 

i do not subscribe to the notion that the suppression of symptoms is a good thing. On the contrary stopping the body doing it's natural healing is bad. And can, IMO, lead to serious problems down the track. Maybe years down the track. Why do I say this? Because, if the symptoms are stopped, the body has then, not only a new toxin to deal with, but has not finished it's clean out, and must take other measures. Like tucking the toxins, that the symptoms were getting rid of, away somewhere. This can obviously lead to a cancerous outcome at a later stage.

 

Can't emphasiz\se the point enough; the cure is the symptoms in action.

What if those symptoms are severely affecting your ability to breathe and without some sort of intervention there's a high likelihood of death?

[Stiddle Mump]

23 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

It was a fact was it not that if you got jabbed you wouldn't get covid. This "fact" of course changed when it was clear that you could. Were you a true believer when you were told if you get jabbed you won't get covid? As for doctor's, professors etc. funding and the threat of pulling funding from big pharma determined what was being said and what wasn't. Personally I regard professors etc. who are not funded by big pharma and are truly independent than those who who rely on big pharma money.

Bang on the money here. The narrative changed when the medical power brokers couldn't sustain the last statement. As you say it went from; '100% 'safe' and 'effective', along a narrative conveyor belt and finished up; 'could lessen it's severity of it if you caught it'.

 

The whole thing was, and still is, pure quackery. The white-coats should hang their heads in shame.

[Stiddle Mump]

21 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

What if those symptoms are severely affecting your ability to breathe and without some sort of intervention there's a high likelihood of death?

Good point.

 

If I was a doctor, and my client was suffering under these circumstances, I would ascertain the reasons why breathing was so difficult and address that. Might have to go back a bit to understand a life-story.

 

The body does not separate it's different departments. They all work together, all the time. Not always obvious what is causing what, however.

 

But a great point you make. Deserves a more in-depth answer, and if we can discuss these points on another thread, that would be great.

[bubblegum]

You would not believe what Wikipedia says about this guy.

[Stiddle Mump]

Just now, bubblegum said:

You would not believe what Wikipedia says about this guy.

I thought I was in disguise. Can't believe all you read in Wiki.

[bubblegum]

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

I thought I was in disguise. Can't believe all you read in Wiki.

Like I said.

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, bubblegum said:

You would not believe what Wikipedia says about this guy.

Wikipedia is good for general facts but don't be fooled this site is not without bias.

[Lacessit]

On 6/21/2025 at 7:50 AM, Red Phoenix said:

Wait and see, but this is great news when true!

 

 

Another victory for ignorance, hysteria and social media.

[Lacessit]

On 6/21/2025 at 9:05 AM, Red Phoenix said:

> In other words: strengthen your God-given immune system.

And avoid the shots that by-pass your body's outer defense system by injecting the stuff that will then trick your body in creating responses to the poison or cell-instructions it receives.  

Please get yourself bitten by a rabid dog or cat, then see how well your God-given immune system deals with it.

 

Short odds you'll be screaming for cell instructions.

[Stiddle Mump]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Please get yourself bitten by a rabid dog or cat, then see how well your God-given immune system deals with it.

 

Short odds you'll be screaming for cell instructions.

What could be in the saliva a of a 'rabid' dog or cat, that could cause a problem?

 

Obviously, when the skin is punctured, one would need to take precautions. What would I do? Already addressed that earlier.

[MarkBR]

On 6/21/2025 at 8:59 AM, mstevens said:

 

Exercise frequently, eat well, get enough sleep, maintain positive fulfilling relationships and live your best life.

Being positive does influence the immune system, however, having the vaccines + boosters betters your chances if you are infected by a virulent genetic strain.  Far less chance of bad outcomes.   

[MarkBR]

23 hours ago, 0ffshore360 said:

The symptoms are the result of  both the pathogen disrupting cellular activity and the immune system ( yes we have such a thing ) attempting to destroy the pathogen.

It seems lost in general opinion that there is a difference in creating antivirals and antibiotics.

A Vaccines by definition is a word that applies to both but antivirals are notoriously much more difficult to develop

than antibacterials .

Natural immunity is decidedly enhanced by maintaining bodily fitness but certainly does not guarantee infection by a pathogen. 

There is the example of acquired immunity demonstrated by milk maids who suffered the annoyance of cowpox and when smallpox was circulating a population they never succumbed to that often deadly disease.

That was at a time when the existence of such distinct pathogens was unknown. But the association of one illness providing protection from the other was certainly recognized.

I am however very suss on the mRna question. 

Our immune system has a procedural methodology. The mRna idea bypasses pretty much all of it and I believe that is why it creates  more issues than it solves.

 

 

 

However, the mRNA byapsses the first steps of the system to directly produce antbiodies to the virus.  A very fast shortcut.  A truly brilliant innovation in vaccine technology.

[Stiddle Mump]

1 minute ago, MarkBR said:

Being positive does influence the immune system, however, having the vaccines + boosters betters your chances if you are infected by a virulent genetic strain.  Far less chance of bad outcomes.   

Having a fearless approach to general life, is a good thing. Helps keep the body in balance. The way to the body is through the mind; and all that.

 

However; the rest of your post is monumental Big Pharma nonsense.

[Stiddle Mump]

1 minute ago, MarkBR said:

However, the mRNA byapsses the first steps of the system to directly produce antbiodies to the virus.  A very fast shortcut.  A truly brilliant innovation in vaccine technology.

"A truly brilliant innovation in vaccine technology."

 

A stepping stone along the road to humanity's demise.

[still kicking]

20 hours ago, transam said:

I think you have a screw loose...........🤕

Just one?

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

"A truly brilliant innovation in vaccine technology."

 

A stepping stone along the road to humanity's demise.

Congratulations, 200 years succesfully fighting vaccines 👏🍾

 

Health and medical scholars have described vaccination as one of the top ten achievements of public health in the 20th century.[1] Yet, opposition to vaccination has existed as long as vaccination itself.[2] Critics of vaccination have taken various positions, including opposition to the smallpox vaccine in England and the United States in the mid to late 1800s, and the resulting anti-vaccination leagues; as well as more recent vaccination controversies, such as those surrounding the safety and efficacy of the diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis (DTP) immunization, the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine, and the use of a mercury-containing preservative called thimerosal

 

https://historyofvaccines.org/vaccines-101/misconceptions-about-vaccines/history-anti-vaccination-movements

 

 

[0ffshore360]

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

As it goes, I am a member of AFLDS. 

 

The point being that the two chemicals mentioned by you in your post; 'hydroxychloroquine', and 'ivermectin' suppress symptoms. 

 

i do not subscribe to the notion that the suppression of symptoms is a good thing. On the contrary stopping the body doing it's natural healing is bad. And can, IMO, lead to serious problems down the track. Maybe years down the track. Why do I say this? Because, if the symptoms are stopped, the body has then, not only a new toxin to deal with, but has not finished it's clean out, and must take other measures. Like tucking the toxins, that the symptoms were getting rid of, away somewhere. This can obviously lead to a cancerous outcome at a later stage.

 

Can't emphasiz\se the point enough; the cure is the symptoms in action.

You refute the existence of an "immune system" while declaring "symptoms" are evidence of a cure,

Can you provide an explanation of the biological mechanism of that concept?

[Lacessit]

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Congratulations, 200 years succesfully fighting vaccines 👏🍾

 

Health and medical scholars have described vaccination as one of the top ten achievements of public health in the 20th century.[1] Yet, opposition to vaccination has existed as long as vaccination itself.[2] Critics of vaccination have taken various positions, including opposition to the smallpox vaccine in England and the United States in the mid to late 1800s, and the resulting anti-vaccination leagues; as well as more recent vaccination controversies, such as those surrounding the safety and efficacy of the diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis (DTP) immunization, the measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccine, and the use of a mercury-containing preservative called thimerosal

 

https://historyofvaccines.org/vaccines-101/misconceptions-about-vaccines/history-anti-vaccination-movements

 

 

Louis Pasteur developed the first post-exposure prophylactic vaccine for rabies back in 1880.

 

Prior to that, rabies was a terrifying disease which killed untold millions. The Mosaic Esmuna Code of Babylon in 2300 B.C. mentions it.

 

Its most sinister feature is an incubation period of 3-8 weeks, before symptoms develop.

 

What made rabies so horrific was the almost 100% fatality rate. As the virus attacked the brain, it produced agonizing muscle spasms which could break bones. Death was in 2-10 days, in terrible pain.

 

So when I see anti-vaxxers claiming their strong immune systems will cope with pathogenic organisms, I can only marvel at their abject stupidity.

[Hummin]

9 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Louis Pasteur developed the first post-exposure prophylactic vaccine for rabies back in 1880.

 

Prior to that, rabies was a terrifying disease which killed untold millions. The Mosaic Esmuna Code of Babylon in 2300 B.C. mentions it.

 

Its most sinister feature is an incubation period of 3-8 weeks, before symptoms develop.

 

What made rabies so horrific was the almost 100% fatality rate. As the virus attacked the brain, it produced agonizing muscle spasms which could break bones. Death was in 2-10 days, in terrible pain.

 

So when I see anti-vaxxers claiming their strong immune systems will cope with pathogenic organisms, I can only marvel at their abject stupidity.

 

You can't beat stupidity or useful idiots. 

 

Who benefits from a divided population? 

 

What weakens a strong society?

 

And like this you can continue, and the answers and root of trouble will always be the same.

 

 

[MarkBR]

11 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Louis Pasteur developed the first post-exposure prophylactic vaccine for rabies back in 1880.

 

Prior to that, rabies was a terrifying disease which killed untold millions. The Mosaic Esmuna Code of Babylon in 2300 B.C. mentions it.

 

Its most sinister feature is an incubation period of 3-8 weeks, before symptoms develop.

 

What made rabies so horrific was the almost 100% fatality rate. As the virus attacked the brain, it produced agonizing muscle spasms which could break bones. Death was in 2-10 days, in terrible pain.

 

So when I see anti-vaxxers claiming their strong immune systems will cope with pathogenic organisms, I can only marvel at their abject stupidity.. 

Anti-vaxxers are incredibly ignorant.  Children. & adults are threatened by increasing levels of vaccine avoidance.  The potential result of going below the threshold numbers for Herd Immunity effects.  I wish they would try to learn some basic biology.

[bubblegum]

Loads of Jehovah witnesses on AN. 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

On 6/21/2025 at 7:50 AM, Red Phoenix said:

Wait and see, but this is great news when true!

 

 

There are many things I regret in my life, but none too bad to mention - except getting an Pfizer MRNA Covid injection.   It was my second vaccine shot and was mandated in Australia if you wanted to leave your home and visit a Doctor or travel anywhere else - etc etc etc. I took the Astra Zeneca shot as my first option because it was based on a proven and safe vaccine delivery method - a viral vector vaccine. When the wife and I were notified we had an appointment for our second shots, I expected them to be the same - stupid mistake. I did not ask until the 'nurse' has stuck it in and I noticed it was a little different colour than the first injection. I asked what it was and the 'nurse' said Pfizer.  When I asked what why I was not given the Astra Zeneca for my second shot, the fhe fat ugly ignorant stupid feminist beetch said 'they are all the same'.  The wife was very sick for a few weeks - me for several months - and every now and then I still get a bit 'off' which is apparently because the MRNA effect lasts many years and my immune system now over-reacts to any virus I might get.  But if you research that information all you get is the WHO and CDC sanctioned BS that vaccines are safe - MRNA vaccines were unproven and should never have been used IMO. 

[JackGats]

I second this, it's great news, it means you may finally shut up!