19 hours ago, impulse said:

He's got to unwind decades of bad trade policies.  You can make the deals fast, or you can do them right.

 

I know which way I'd go. 

 

I agree,specially the deal that was made between the US and Mexico and Canada.

That was the worst deal in the world for the US,just what kind of fool would ever sign that?

Oh wait,oops.

16 minutes ago, jvs said:

I agree,specially the deal that was made between the US and Mexico and Canada.

That was the worst deal in the world for the US,just what kind of fool would ever sign that?

Oh wait,oops.

 

Perot got NAFTA right.  That giant sucking sound you'll hear is American jobs and factories going south.  He said that in 1992.  

 

As I recall, Trump was just a TV personality when that abortion of a deal was signed.  And decades of other bad trades deals that brought us this:

 

BTW, look at 1992 on the graph...  (NAFTA was signed in 1994)  Perot was prescient.  Trump's trying to fix it.  It's not sustainable.

 

 

 

 

12 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Oh look food inflation went up 0.2%. Let's all panic 

Trump said prices down if he gets in, can you tell us what went wrong.

Oh, as you are here, he also said he would end the Ukraine war in a day, can you tell us what went wrong there...

You still haven't provided me with your info on 10,000 Nazis in Sydney Australia, perhaps you could provide that too in your spare time on the cruise around the North, eh.........?   

It is easy to make promises when there are no consequences for not fulfilling them,

8 minutes ago, gk10012001 said:

It is easy to make promises when there are no consequences for not fulfilling them,

 

You mean like Obama promising transparency and Biden promising unity?

 

Thank God we dodged that DEI bullet in November.

 

Of course, the difference is that Obama had 8 years to fail providing transparency and Biden had 4 years to absolutely wreck unity.  Trump's only been at the wheel for 6 months, and that's not nearly enough time to negotiate a 1000 page trade agreement, much less 200 of them.  His team will get there.  Maybe during the Vance administration.

 

 

51 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Perot got NAFTA right.  That giant sucking sound you'll hear is American jobs and factories going south.  He said that in 1992.  

 

As I recall, Trump was just a TV personality when that abortion of a deal was signed.  And decades of other bad trades deals that brought us this:

 

BTW, look at 1992 on the graph...  (NAFTA was signed in 1994)  Perot was prescient.  Trump's trying to fix it.  It's not sustainable.

 

 

 

 

I was referring to the USMCA  deal that was negotiated? by Trump and signed by him.

Later he said something like,"What idiot made that deal'?

He did not even remember.

Is Trump trying to fix it?

Maybe but he has no idea how to go about it.

Years long of bullying small businesses who can't fight back has giving him the wrong sense of power.

Now he is dealing with world leaders who are in general far superior than him in every way.

He is finally starting to realize putin has been fooling him al along,others have known that from

the very beginning.

He is to much of an arrogant narcissist to be able to understand what is really going on!

MAGA hats are starting to burn,people are slowly waking up.

11 minutes ago, jvs said:

I was referring to the USMCA  deal that was negotiated? by Trump and signed by him.

Later he said something like,"What idiot made that deal'?

He did not even remember.

Is Trump trying to fix it?

 

USMCA was an incremental improvement on NAFTA, and they're scheduled to renegotiate it in 2026.  (Edit:  Technically, "Review" it)  That's after 6 years.  Not the 26 years that NAFTA went on, sucking jobs and factories southward. 

 

As I understand it, they're already negotiating the 2026 changes.  Gonna be fun to watch.

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

USMCA was an incremental improvement on NAFTA, and they're scheduled to renegotiate it in 2026.  (Edit:  Technically, "Review" it)  That's after 6 years.  Not the 26 years that NAFTA went on, sucking jobs and factories southward. 

 

As I understand it, they're already negotiating the 2026 changes.  Gonna be fun to watch.

 

 

 

Oh yes,it will be fun for sure!

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=992713419396998

18 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Old news...  Discussed ad nauseum when the tariffs were first imposed.  I'll let you do the searches.  I already know everything I want to know about it.  If you want to know more, put out your own effort.  Not my yob, man.

 

Anyone who's ever done much import/export understands it well.  For journalism majors and the lefties with social justice degrees and a dose of the syndrome, it flies right over their little pinheads.

 

typical maga non sense when they are caught on their troll/deflections, didn't expect anything else besides the usual bs

14 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

My life is 100x better than yours. 

Says a being who averages more than 63 posts a day.😂 I gotta say buddy, your life seems to be completely path fulfilling!

4 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Perot got NAFTA right.  That giant sucking sound you'll hear is American jobs and factories going south.  He said that in 1992.  

 

As I recall, Trump was just a TV personality when that abortion of a deal was signed.  And decades of other bad trades deals that brought us this:

 

BTW, look at 1992 on the graph...  (NAFTA was signed in 1994)  Perot was prescient.  Trump's trying to fix it.  It's not sustainable.

 

 

 

 

Misleading presentation of information, as usual. 

NAFTA and the deal which followed represent around 20% of the deficit in goods trade. There are more general causes.

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

typical maga non sense when they are caught on their troll/deflections, didn't expect anything else besides the usual bs

 

As I said, I already know everything I care to about it.  For example, here's the summary of those penguins' trade with the USA in 2022:

 

 

And here's the page from the US HTS code that assigns a number to those entities:

 

 

Those attachments were included in an April ad nauseum discussion of the penguin Island (among other) Trump tariffs.

 

If you gave a crap and weren't just out for a Trump bash, it would take you about 30 seconds to Google "penguin island trump tariff"  But you'd rather stay ignorant.  Which, I'm good with that...

 

6 minutes ago, candide said:

Misleading presentation of information, as usual. 

NAFTA and the deal which followed represent around 20% of the deficit in goods trade. There are more general causes.

 

NAFTA was but a symptom of rampant globalism and exporting US jobs, factories and manufacturing.  Perot knew that.

 

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

NAFTA was but a symptom of rampant globalism and exporting US jobs, factories and manufacturing.  Perot knew that.

 

As if it would have been possible to avoid globalisation...

20 hours ago, phetphet said:

Now he is threatening 50% tariffs on Brazil over their treatment of ex President Bolsonaro. That has nothing to do with the US. Well apart from the fact Bolsonaro may have been an investor in the SPAC tied up with Trump Media.

More on the trump decision to impose 50% tariffs on Brazil because he doesn't like their treatment of Bolsonaro........what next? "Do as I say and run your country the way I want, or else". The man has delusions of grandeur and these beliefs are not based in reality and are often a symptom of mental health conditions.

 

"Since returning to the White House, United States President Donald Trump has used trade as a cudgel to exert concessions from smaller nations.

 

Brazil, his newest tariff target, is a much more formidable adversary, analysts said, and is less likely to bend to pressure from Washington.

 

“Brazil is less dependent on the United States,” said Pedro Abramovay, vice-president of programmes at the Open Society Foundations. “It’s not irrelevant, but Brazil can withstand it; this won’t break the country.”

In recent years, Brazil has strengthened market ties with peer countries in the BRICS bloc - historically made up of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa - at the expense of trade with Western nations.

 

“What’s new here is that Trump is using commercial tactics for political ends, weaponising trade,” said a senior Lula adviser, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

“But the deal he wants is not acceptable.”

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/us-president-faces-a-country-and-leader-ready-for-a-fight-as-he-mixes-trade-with-political-goals/JL2ZJAILKZE6POWXMUJOJRCABY/

 

5 minutes ago, candide said:

As if it would have been possible to avoid globalisation...

Ironic posting that from Asia…

36 minutes ago, candide said:

40 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

NAFTA was but a symptom of rampant globalism and exporting US jobs, factories and manufacturing.  Perot knew that.

 

As if it would have been possible to avoid globalisation...

 

You're confusing rampant globalization and smart globalization.  More accurately, rapacious globalization and smart globalization. 

 

Our bought and paid for politicians took us down the rapacious path, in pursuit of greedy corporate ROI over working Americans. 

 

So I'm pleased to see these tariffs, even if it means I'm stuck with my 65" big screen because the prices of the 85"ers are going up.

 

8 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

You're confusing rampant globalization and smart globalization.  More accurately, rapacious globalization and smart globalization. 

 

Our bought and paid for politicians took us down the rapacious path, in pursuit of greedy corporate ROI over working Americans. 

 

So I'm pleased to see these tariffs, even if it means I'm stuck with my 65" big screen because the prices of the 85"ers are going up.

 

So what's the difference between them, exactly?

9 minutes ago, candide said:

So what's the difference between them, exactly?

 

Same as the difference between romance novels and hard core porn.  Hard to describe, but easy to recognize.

 

Edit:  Though I think the famous expression is "I know it when I see it"

 

 

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Same as the difference between romance novels and hard core porn.  Hard to describe, but easy to recognize.

 

So it seems you don't really know....

6 minutes ago, candide said:

So it seems you don't really know...

 

No.  I'm smart enough to know that you can do an entire PhD program on the difference, and still not cover every aspect. 

 

You, OTOH, prefer lefty soundbites from Joy, Whoopie and Rachel.  Sorry, I'm fresh out...  I don't play that game any more.

 

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

As I said, I already know everything I care to about it.  For example, here's the summary of those penguins' trade with the USA in 2022:

 

 

And here's the page from the US HTS code that assigns a number to those entities:

 

 

Those attachments were included in an April ad nauseum discussion of the penguin Island (among other) Trump tariffs.

 

If you gave a crap and weren't just out for a Trump bash, it would take you about 30 seconds to Google "penguin island trump tariff"  But you'd rather stay ignorant.  Which, I'm good with that...

 

I followed your advice and that's what came up with Google....

 

But in 2022 the US imported $1.4m (A$2.3m; £1.1m) from the territory, nearly all of it unnamed "machinery and electrical" products.

The Guardian has also reported that an analysis of US import data and shipping records suggests that tariffs imposed on the Heard and McDonalds Islands, as well as Norfolk Island, are based on incorrect data.

It found shipments had been wrongly labelled as coming from the territories, rather than their actual places of origin

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly8xlj0485o

 

8 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

No.  I'm smart enough to know that you can do an entire PhD program on the difference, and still not cover every aspect. 

 

You, OTOH, prefer lefty soundbites from Joy, Whoopie and Rachel.  Sorry, I'm fresh out...  I don't play that game any more.

 

Blah blah!

 

It can only be made different by regulations, and regulations must be based on something precise.

 

For those who want to go deeper into it:

 

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/61486

 

On 7/10/2025 at 1:50 PM, CallumWK said:

There aren't even 3 deals, but just 2, which are UK and Vietnam

 

And then there was only ONE deal.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/vietnam-surprised-trump-tariff-announcement-072530217.html

 

The day after Trump’s Truth Social post on Vietnam, in which he called Lam “an absolute pleasure” to deal with, the country’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said trade negotiators were still coordinating with their US counterparts to finalize the details of the agreement.

Since then, Vietnam’s leaders have skirted the issue in official comments. Prime Minister Pham Minh Chinh instead focused on Vietnam’s efforts to diversify export markets and supply chains to adapt to the new tariff policy and his comments were echoed a few days later by a deputy trade minister.

A quarter century later, another populist billionaire is promoting an updated, expanded and renamed NAFTA, which he rebranded as the United States Mexico Canada Agreement in an effort to avoid any association with the “giant sucking sounds” many Americans experienced from “free trade”.

 

No mention that NAFTA was negotiated and signed under a Republican presidency, by George H W Bush.

 

https://theconversation.com/the-giant-sucking-sound-of-nafta-ross-perot-was-ridiculed-as-alarmist-in-1992-but-his-warning-turned-out-to-be-prescient-120258

 

https://theconversation.com/trumps-tariff-threats-show-the-brute-power-of-an-imperial-presidency-247524

 

 

 

 

22 hours ago, impulse said:

 

As I said, I already know everything I care to about it.  For example, here's the summary of those penguins' trade with the USA in 2022:

 

 

And here's the page from the US HTS code that assigns a number to those entities:

 

 

Those attachments were included in an April ad nauseum discussion of the penguin Island (among other) Trump tariffs.

 

If you gave a crap and weren't just out for a Trump bash, it would take you about 30 seconds to Google "penguin island trump tariff"  But you'd rather stay ignorant.  Which, I'm good with that...

 

you should just stop before making a foul of yourself, ohhh but you already did, these are Australian territories thus part of Australia deal, where the heck did you come up with so much garbage , is it a maga thing not to acknowledge they are wrong you can say it, won't hurt and I promise not to make fun of it but just say you were trolling

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

you should just stop before making a foul of yourself, ohhh but you already did, these are Australian territories thus part of Australia deal, where the heck did you come up with so much garbage , is it a maga thing not to acknowledge they are wrong you can say it, won't hurt and I promise not to make fun of it but just say you were trolling

 

And how many years did you spend doing import/export?

 

 

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

And how many years did you spend doing import/export?

 

 

from 1986 until 2012, my own company, own PATENTED products but that's out of context, again, better stop before u make a bigger foul of yourself, you keep posting misleading information and nothing to support your false claims

 

On 7/10/2025 at 1:17 PM, TheAppletons said:

"I guess you don't understand negotiating tactics."

 

"Yep, it's the Art of the Deal."

 

"He's playing 4D chess."

 

"Those are just the ones he's announced so far."

 

"Lefty MSM lying again."

 

Did I forget anything?  I feel like I should have a "Make Americans Goobers Again" checklist of excuses.

Yeah he turns MAGA into GAGA. Great job...and so fast