1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

The history books will show that Donad Trump was the first president to truly understand how dependent the EU is on the US, in fact, it was his threat of tariffs being higher which made the EU comply with his demands. That and the EU's dependence on US military muscle in NATO.

 

With his threat of tariffs Trump has made von der Leyen bend the knee and Europeans are still celebrating that there was no trade deal escalation, as losing the US market access would have been a disaster, just as paying even more would have been or losing US military co-operation.

 

Trump understood how much better his cards were, and so did von der Leyen.

The USA buys more from the EU than the other way around. So the USA is the dependant one.

I guess Thailand will end up with 36% because they so busy about Cambodia and not loosing their face .

No time for other things.

1 hour ago, bkk6060 said:

False.  He owns the course in Scotland and plays for free.  Duh.

And how dies he get there with ALL his security and do they stay there for free?

 

Walk?

 

Not a chance. He will use Air Force 1 and the bill for the security plus the cost of Air Force 1 will be paid for at the US taxpayers expense.

 

I expect that the UK security will be paid for by the UK tax payers, though really it should be stuck on his bill, especially as it is NOT official government business, though I have no doubt that he will claim that it is. 

 

The cost of a transatlantic video call is much much cheaper, especially as tax payers will be footing the bill?

 

Now how much is THAT reducing the deficit by?

 

Moron.

50 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

What EU products does the average US citizen buy?

 

When I lived in the UK there was nothing I would buy from the EU that I couldn't buy cheaper from the USA.

Even the shipping charges from the USA to the UK were cheaper than Germany/France to the UK.

And that was when we were in the EU.

Copilot Answer

Key Imports from the EU

1. Pharmaceutical Products: The largest category of imports, accounting for about $127 billion (21% of total imports) in 2024. This includes medicines and medical supplies that are in high demand in the US market. 
    
2. Machinery and Mechanical Appliances: This category includes nuclear reactors, boilers, and various machinery, totaling around $89.8 billion (14.8% of imports). 
    
3. Vehicles: Cars and other non-railway vehicles are significant imports, valued at approximately $60.3 billion (10% of total imports). 
    
4. Electrical Equipment: This includes various electrical components and devices, amounting to about $39.3 billion (6.5% of imports). 
    
5. Optical, Photographic, and Cinematographic Equipment: This category includes cameras and related equipment, valued at around $36.9 billion (6.1% of total imports).

19 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Now you're getting a bit desperate,

Most nuts are grown in the USA and South America.

https://www.anuts.com/blog/where-do-nuts-come-from/?srsltid=AfmBOoo1Y-nwppezJjTxug6LTgvwmmejSIpKKAnN_z3GX855Mxzm-FRc

 

Chocolate, Cacao, nearly all from South America.

 

And you think the USA doesn't grow wheat, and can't make farm machinery .... did you forget John Deere?

 

There's nothing that Europe makes, that America actually needs.

There a trade deficit because the USA buys more from the EU than the EU from the USA. You are ignoring that FACT.

10 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Copilot Answer

Key Imports from the EU

1. Pharmaceutical Products: The largest category of imports, accounting for about $127 billion (21% of total imports) in 2024. This includes medicines and medical supplies that are in high demand in the US market. 
    
2. Machinery and Mechanical Appliances: This category includes nuclear reactors, boilers, and various machinery, totaling around $89.8 billion (14.8% of imports). 
    
3. Vehicles: Cars and other non-railway vehicles are significant imports, valued at approximately $60.3 billion (10% of total imports). 
    
4. Electrical Equipment: This includes various electrical components and devices, amounting to about $39.3 billion (6.5% of imports). 
    
5. Optical, Photographic, and Cinematographic Equipment: This category includes cameras and related equipment, valued at around $36.9 billion (6.1% of total imports).

 

And the pharmaceutical products....the medicines, in particular, are all high end stuff......not paracetamol and aspirin.

 

Someone is going to get stung.

 

 

17 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

The USA buys more from the EU than the other way around. So the USA is the dependant one.

 

No, the EU also needs the US military muscle in NATO, without it, they'd be at the mercy of Russia et al.

 

And EU dependence on US market access is gigantic.

 

So overall, the EU is the truly dependant one, and the result of the negotiation bears this out of course.

21 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Oh dear, someone who can't even figure out that 15% tariff is on US imports, not EU imports

 

Oh dear someone who can't even figure out that was a joke. But then again it could have been 85% joke and 15% tariff?

Trump’s trade deals and tariffs are on the chopping block in court. What happens next
Updated Sat, Jul 26 20253:51 PM EDT

 

A federal appeals court will soon hear oral arguments in a high-profile lawsuit challenging Trump’s authority to impose sweeping “reciprocal” tariffs.

The case is the furthest along of more than half a dozen federal cases targeting Trump’s imposition of tariffs using an emergency-powers law known as IEEPA.

Piper Sandler analysts said Trump will “probably continue to lose in the lower courts” and at the Supreme Court, rendering his recent trade deals “illegal.”

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/26/trump-tariffs-trade-lawsuits.html

____________

Or as in an amicus brief against the Admin:

 

President Trump’s declaration of a national emergency and invocation of IEEPA to impose tariffs contravene the intent of the NEA and IEEPA in multiple ways. First, President Trump has declared an emergency where none exists, violating the cardinal principal behind the NEA’s enactment. 

__________

And just to add given the post below, this case is litigated and funded by hard right conservatives including the Uehleins.

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Unfortunately for you weak girly men, nobody can rescue you from the bully. We are winning, so be at peace with it, you'll feel a lot better about yourself

The undue stress to the "girly men" caused by President Trump's continued winning is really avoidable if these fems would just relax and learn to love the Trump. 

Trump has said he will restructure global trade - and he has. 

 

He is a man that gets things done.

 

And von der Leyen has accepted the "recalibration".

 

Success for Trump on all fronts.

20 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, the EU also needs the US military muscle in NATO, without it, they'd be at the mercy of Russia et al.

 

And EU dependence on US market access is gigantic.

 

So overall, the EU is the truly dependant one, and the result of the negotiation bears this out of course.

Russia doesn't want a war with the whole EU, They don't want NATO on their doorstep.

OMB!! Werent we 100% GUARANTEED by the forum left - who have been wrong on every Trump story of the last decade - that his tariffs "would never work", "no country would ever sign a trade deal" and "it could never benefit the USA" and now fellas, how is that crow tasting?!🤣

 

2 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Russia doesn't want a war with the whole EU, They don't want NATO on their doorstep.

 

Very true, try telling that to the deranged fear freaks of Germany, France, and Poland, and Lithuania, not to mention Sweden, Finland et al.

 

However, to be fair, those people have to prepare for the worst case scenario, and a war with Russia would be that of course, so they have to prepare for that.

5 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"no country would ever sign a trade deal"

 

AFAIK no country has signed a trade deal, since Liberation Day.

 

6 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

"it could never benefit the USA

 

It's far too early to judge the benefits of trump's deals given the reasons were never clear.

 

 

I have just watched the Video of his press conference with Ms Von Der Leyen.

 

Utterly astonishing!

 

I can only conclude that he has been on a special training course; after all he could not surely be such an absolute plonker naturally?

19 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

OMB!! Werent we 100% GUARANTEED by the forum left - who have been wrong on every Trump story of the last decade - that his tariffs "would never work", "no country would ever sign a trade deal" and "it could never benefit the USA" and now fellas, how is that crow tasting?!🤣

 

 

Yes, indeed, the leftist  Trump haters were deriding his tariffs. However, turns out, it was these very tariffs, in particular the threat of higher tariffs, which motivated the EU to accept "recalibrating" the trade relationship with the US, in the Americans' favour.

 

So once again, the leftists were wrong, and Trump was proven right. His tariffs were incredibly effective. 90 billion USD gained for the US.

 

Incidentally, the EU obtaining a 15% tariff vindicates Britons' who claimed they can do better without the EU, the British only got a 10% tariff, even though their economy is in the toilet, and the EU is a far greater market. This only underlines how abysmally poor the Europeans are at negotiating.

After hearing the details of the deal, a reporter had to ask: "What are the US concessions? What is the US giving up in the deal, if anything?"

 

 

American consumers will be paying an additional 15% tax on European goods.

 

Oh, the bigliest winning!

3 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Copilot Answer

Key Imports from the EU

1. Pharmaceutical Products: The largest category of imports, accounting for about $127 billion (21% of total imports) in 2024. This includes medicines and medical supplies that are in high demand in the US market. 
    
2. Machinery and Mechanical Appliances: This category includes nuclear reactors, boilers, and various machinery, totaling around $89.8 billion (14.8% of imports). 
    
3. Vehicles: Cars and other non-railway vehicles are significant imports, valued at approximately $60.3 billion (10% of total imports). 
    
4. Electrical Equipment: This includes various electrical components and devices, amounting to about $39.3 billion (6.5% of imports). 
    
5. Optical, Photographic, and Cinematographic Equipment: This category includes cameras and related equipment, valued at around $36.9 billion (6.1% of total imports).

So all of the above will cost the US consumer.........hardly a win for those poor suckers who backed Donny!!

43 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

 

AFAIK no country has signed a trade deal, since Liberation Day.

 

 

It's far too early to judge the benefits of trump's deals given the reasons were never clear.

 

 

Here some info about Japan: https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/japan-sees-only-1-2-of-550-billion-u-s-fund-to-be-investment/ar-AA1JpInq?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=3d75f1fbefff4526fcde9c583763ba43&ei=20

 

550 billion US fund is only 5.5 - 11 billion Japanese investment and the rest is loans and loan guarantees.

More debt.

7 hours ago, Peter Crow said:

US comes across as the schoolyard bully with no brains. That's how the MAGAs see themselves now.

Nonsense, that's how you see them.

What trade deals have been signed @SunnyinBangrak? 

 

They are all announcements, but the devil will be in the details. Just like his BS announcement of US$550 billion and 90% of the profits from Japan. 😊

I have to wonder if you lot are really this obtuse or whether you are paid Trolls.

Wow. Amazing what Trump has achieved in so little time. It normally takes decades to get a deal with the EU, he's done it in months.

 

Great to see Britain with a better deal than the EU as well. Yet another benefit of Brexit.  

 

 

It won't last @JonnyF You guys are a little....premature, to say the least.

Who will be paying the 15%? Could you explain that to me?

Well, I've learned to wait a few days for the entire story to emerge. Trump trade "wins" often turn out completely different a week later, either not so big in scope or not a signed agreement at all. Unless her signature is on something very specific, UvdL could well trot on back to Europe and then stonewall everything. Frankly, that is what I think most countries will do: initial broad agreements that must be negotiated over a long time in detail, which means they will all just wait out Trump's term and see who replaces him.

That's all it is...a political agreement. No trade deal has actually been done. It's all just for a domestic audience.

3 hours ago, norsurin said:

I guess Thailand will end up with 36% because they so busy about Cambodia and not loosing their face .

No time for other things.

36% tax increase for USA customers and businesses.

In order to keep the EU bandwagon alive and bear the weight of the enormous trade deficit due above all to Germany, we (European) were forced to kneel like servants.

7 hours ago, Peter Crow said:

So US needs unfair tariffs to be able to compete with the EU?

 

I see this as a success.

 

US comes across as the schoolyard bully with no brains. That's how the MAGAs see themselves now.

 

EU bureaucrats almost sh!t their pants, as 30% tariffs were just around the corner. With the major European economies barely growing, or even shrinking, this would have been a catastrophe. Everyone around the world seems to be afraid of Trump...

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I said 'average US citizen' deliberately ...........

As an American I can truly say that the average American is a fairly scary type of individual, and not something to be particularly proud of. Most are not deep thinkers, nor readers, nor indenepdent minds.