40 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Extrapolate that...

 

Many people are selling their Tesla's cheap because they don't want them.

 

The buyers are snapping a used Nazi bargain.

Porsche, Volkswagen, Ford , General Motors all have history of doing business with Nazi Germany

is that why you sold your Ford and Porsche or could it be World's major car makers may be linked to forced labour in China

Car makers including Tesla, General Motors, Volkswagen and Toyota are failing to ensure they are not using forced labour as part of their China supply chains, Human Rights Watch says.

https://www.euronews.com/business/2024/02/01/worlds-major-car-makers-may-be-linked-to-forced-labour-in-china

Carmakers may be using aluminium made by Uyghur forced labour, NGO investigation finds

Companies such as Toyota, Volkswagen, Tesla, General Motors and BYD could do more to ensure their strict standards are applied in China, Human Rights Watch says

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2024/feb/01/car-manufacturers-toyota-volkswagen-tesla-general-motors-byd-alleged-forced-labour-aluminium-uyghur

https://www.thehistoryreader.com/historical-figures/hitlers-american-friends-henry-ford-and-nazism/

https://www.volkswagen-group.com/en/the-history-of-the-brands-17668/the-history-of-porsche-17688

My issue is with Elon Musk, the most hated man in America.

 

People are demonstrating outside dealerships in America, people are voting with their feet in UK and EU and I do my bit by making it clear to Tesla owners there is a social price to pay for buying one.
 

You drive a Tesla, you can expect to be ridiculed.  
 

As for a Tesla being superior to a BYD, that’s a laughable statement.  Aging designs, sparse cabins, ridiculous controls, need I say more.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/americans-hate-only-one-person-162335662.html

5 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

need I say more

 

 

I think you have indicated enough.

10 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

My issue is with Elon Musk, the most hated man in America.

 

People are demonstrating outside dealerships in America, people are voting with their feet in UK and EU and I do my bit by making it clear to Tesla owners there is a social price to pay for buying one.
 

You drive a Tesla, you can expect to be ridiculed.  
 

As for a Tesla being superior to a BYD, that’s a laughable statement.  Aging designs, sparse cabins, ridiculous controls, need I say more.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/americans-hate-only-one-person-162335662.html

Interesting poll

Elon Musk Is So Unpopular He’s Turning People Off ALL Electric Cars

Elon Musk has become so toxic to Americans that he has tanked not just the popularity of Tesla but of all electric car manufacturers. According to a study by Williams College, the number of liberal voters who have expressed interest in owning an electric vehicle has plummeted into negative figures since Musk began his rightward turn, while conservatives continue to widely reject EVs in general. “The suspicion is that Elon Musk became so synonymous with EVs in the U.S. that perceptions of him affected the entire class of vehicles,”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musk-so-unpopular-hes-turning-people-off-all-electric-cars/

Elon Musk Is Officially the Most Unpopular Public Figure in America

https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musk-is-officially-the-most-unpopular-public-figure-in-america/

With what I read and see (videos) I doubt that people in the UK think about changing anything at the moment For whatever reason(s) tax hikes, plenty of protests and so on. Probably people staying with ICE and not buying any new car because of what appears to me to be an unstable UK. Imo, if the UK were a satisfied lot it would probably be the front of EV nations.

On 8/3/2025 at 7:59 PM, JBChiangRai said:

 

With 29.3% of new vehicles sold in Thailand in June being EV's, I wonder exactly who is the idiot here?

Time will tell..

18 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Time will tell..

 

It's leaning towards EV's winning....

On 8/5/2025 at 7:28 AM, Bandersnatch said:

 

I love being able to charge it at home for free from excess solar power
I love that it comes with over 6 Tesla powerwalls of backup power for my house which means I don’t need PEA anymore
I love the 523 bhp and 670 Nm of torque
I love the 0-100km/h in 3.8 seconds without spinning my wheels 
I love that it has perfect 50:50 weight distribution
I love the low center of gravity
I love the drag coefficient of just 0.219 Cd which is better than a Porsche Taycan
I love the regenerative breaking and not having to use the brake pedal
I love the adaptive suspension
I love that the battery pack is a structural component, increasing torsional stiffness and so increasing handling limits
I love the Torque vectoring which sends power to which wheel needs it most
I love that it only has one gear  
I love that it has a very long wheel base
I love that it is so silent to drive for me and other road users
I love that I am not poisoning the pedestrians and motorbike riders around me when I drive or sit at the traffic lights
I love that it has a front storage compartment where the engine would be in an ICE car
I love being able to switch on the aircon while I’m still in the restaurant
I love being able to do “Find My Car” because the car has a 5G chip
I love the 8 year warranty for the car and battery
I love 8 year completely free servicing and breakdown recovery
I love the way it looks

 

but you think it's a con!

What car do you have if you don't mind me asking? How long does it take to charge from solar?

2 minutes ago, phetphet said:

What car do you have if you don't mind me asking? How long does it take to charge from solar?

 

 

I posted my EVs back on page one of this discussion Posted Monday at 07:36 AM but just taking my Seal AWD Performance:

 

 

580km from an 82.5kWh battery, 7km/kWh.

 

My home charger is a 7kW charger adding 49km per hour or 400km per day

 

 

 

27 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

It's leaning towards EV's winning....

Possibly. An additional factor could be the creation of a practical fuelling alternative to both petroleum and batteries. 

Only time will tell. Bloody expensive to buy. Wonder what the second hand market will be like. Yet to see how long the batteries last. Fossil fuels still burnt to supply electricity. EV Cars very heavy, much more likely to kill someone in an accident. I would wait another 5 years before considering buying one.

1 minute ago, Thingamabob said:

An additional factor could be the creation of a practical fuelling alternative to both petroleum and batteries. 

 

Do you have a suggestion?

 

I find charging at home to be very practical and if I visit friends or family I can charge from a regular power outlet.

5 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

Do you have a suggestion?

 

I find charging at home to be very practical and if I visit friends or family I can charge from a regular power outlet.

Ethanol, hydrogen, natural gas and propane just for openers. All these are being studied, plus a few others.

Just now, Antiparovian said:

Bloody expensive to buy

 

Wrong,  I already covered this above - my D segment Seal is cheaper that than both the Camry and the Accord.

 

2 minutes ago, Antiparovian said:

Yet to see how long the batteries last.

 

My EVs come with 8 year guaranteed 70% capacity.

 

3 minutes ago, Antiparovian said:

Fossil fuels still burnt to supply electricity.

 

Not in my case.

 

3 minutes ago, Antiparovian said:

EV Cars very heavy, much more likely to kill someone in an accident.

 

Wrong again,  I already covered this above  - the most popular EV in Thailand the BYD Dolphin is lighter than the most popular ICE  the Toyota Hilux.

 

5 minutes ago, Antiparovian said:

I would wait another 5 years before considering buying one.

 

I've already been driving EVs in Thailand for 5 years. Now 30% of New Vehicles purchased in Thailand are EVs  - in 5 years it will be closer to 100%

Just now, Thingamabob said:

hydrogen

 

H2 is an incredibly dumb idea for passenger vehicles.

 

Good luck with Hydrogen in Thailand. Where are you going to buy your Hydrogen car  - none for sale here. Toyota keeps making promises about it's Mirai but you can't buy it here. Then where will you fill it up? Thailand has no public H2 filling stations.
 
I make power for my electric car from my home solar system  - try making H2 at home.

 

H2 is being pushed hard by the fossil fuel industry and their lobbyists.
 
As at the end of 2021 47% was made from natural gas, 27% from Coal, 22% from oil and only 4% from electrolysis because it so expensive.

 

5 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Ethanol, natural gas and propane just for openers

 

LPG and CNG were popular in Thailand with taxis, but they are switching to EVs now

 

Reminder for where solar power enters this EV discussion.

 

Solar power is not free until you have recovered your initial investment. It is important to note that the value of so called 'excess power' is also part of the ROI calculation.

 

It is or course 'happy days' for those that have achieved ROI and charging electric vehicles at home. The only setback in this happy period might be the failure of an expensive solar component.
 

Just now, Fruit Trader said:

Reminder for where solar power enters this EV discussion.

 

Solar power is not free until you have recovered your initial investment. It is important to note that the value of so called 'excess power' is also part of the ROI calculation.

 

It is or course 'happy days' for those that have achieved ROI and charging electric vehicles at home. The only setback in this happy period might be the failure of an expensive solar component.
 

I purchased solar to stop my power going off randomly.

The electricity it provides is all free on top of my reliable power.

Just now, Bandersnatch said:

 

LPG and CNG were popular in Thailand with taxis, but they are switching to EVs now

 

Yes indeed. Time will tell how that works out for them. Personally I've seen only a few EV taxis, and the driver of the only one I have ridden in was moaning like hell and wishing he had stuck with the hybrid he had previously owned.

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

I purchased solar to stop my power going off randomly.

The electricity it provides is all free on top of my reliable power.

 

Very good if you have achieved ROI

21 minutes ago, Fruit Trader said:

Reminder for where solar power enters this EV discussion.

 

Many EV owners get solar and many solar owners get EVs  - it just makes sense. Many of the EV owners on AN regularly post that they have solar.

 

21 minutes ago, Fruit Trader said:

Solar power is not free until you have recovered your initial investment. It is important to note that the value of so called 'excess power' is also part of the ROI calculation.

 

If you get solar for your house you end up with excess solar in the middle of the day  - here is a graph from my system to help you understand

 

21 minutes ago, Fruit Trader said:

It is or course 'happy days' for those that have achieved ROI and charging electric vehicles at home.

 

Yes I am happy.

 

21 minutes ago, Fruit Trader said:

The only setback in this happy period might be the failure of an expensive solar component.

 

Solar equipment is not expensive, my inverters only cost $500 so I have a spare

 

 

 

 

49 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

Wrong,  I already covered this above - my D segment Seal is cheaper that than both the Camry and the Accord.

 

 

My EVs come with 8 year guaranteed 70% capacity.

 

 

Not in my case.

 

 

Wrong again,  I already covered this above  - the most popular EV in Thailand the BYD Dolphin is lighter than the most popular ICE  the Toyota Hilux.

 

 

I've already been driving EVs in Thailand for 5 years. Now 30% of New Vehicles purchased in Thailand are EVs  - in 5 years it will be closer to 100%

Updated: July 30, 2025

Electric vehicle registrations grew 52% in the first half of the year, accounting for 15% of new vehicles, the highest in ASEAN.

 In the first half of 2025, 57,289 new BEV passenger vehicle registrations were registered, a 52% increase year-on-year and representing over 15% of all new vehicles, the highest figure in ASEAN. Currently, there are over 203,000 BEV passenger vehicle registrations in Thailand, along with other types of electric vehicles, including 71,900 electric motorcycles, 3,800 electric buses and trucks, and 1,000 electric tricycles.

https://autolifethailand.tv/ev-board-ev-register-first-half-2025/

 

It has been posted many times on these forums

One Swallow does not a Summer make.

 

7 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Updated: July 30, 2025

 

 

 

 

 

Teaching grandmother to suck eggs.

 

We have 10kW of solar at our packaging business with zero feed in, it achieved ROI in just over two years. During production cycles we go in and out of the so called 'excess solar' window but at no point during the ROI period would I ever consider any power used in the excess window as free from cost. 

 

The unique feature of our system is the ability to log how much power the solar can produce when we are below full capacity. This is done by referencing a nearby cells performance.  We have not designed for battery storage but if we had, it  would not change how I calculate ROI during those lovely 'excess solar' periods.
 

 

 

30 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

Solar equipment is not expensive, my inverters only cost $500 so a I have a spare

 

Of course everyone carries a spare $500 spare inverter and would never consider it a financial setback [end] dreams

 

 

6 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

 

 

 

 

It has been posted here many times that autolife doesn't select all the different types of vehicle registration categories when it complies its monthly registations figures

I assume that the BOI when reporting to the Goverment does know its figures

Mr. Narit Therdsteerasak, Secretary-General of the Board of Investment (BOI), in his capacity as a member and secretary of the National Electric Vehicle Policy Committee (EV Board), revealed that on July 30, 2025, the EV Board meeting, chaired by Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Finance Pichai Chunhavajira, acknowledged a report on the results of promoting the electric vehicle industry. In the first half of 2025, 57,289 new BEV passenger vehicle registrations were registered, a 52% increase year-on-year and representing over 15% of all new vehicles, the highest figure in ASEAN. Currently, there are over 203,000 BEV passenger vehicle registrations in Thailand, along with other types of electric vehicles, including 71,900 electric motorcycles, 3,800 electric buses and trucks, and 1,000 electric tricycles.

https://autolifethailand.tv/ev-board-ev-register-first-half-2025/

 

3 minutes ago, Fruit Trader said:

at no point during the ROI period would I ever consider any power used in the excess window as free from cost

 

When you use ROI, I assume you actually mean payback period.

 

Once solar power is curtailed (in other words can't be used to power the house, charge home batteries or feedback to the grid for financial return) it is lost. If it can be used to charge an EV it dramatically reduces the payback period of a solar system.

 

 

There are many ways to account for excess solar, Bandersnatch is right in considering it free, Fruit Trader is right in amortising it towards ROI.

 

You pick your accounting principle and run with it.

 

In Bandersnatch's case, ROI is calculated from the use case he bought the solar for originally, if he followed Fruit Trader's model then ROI would be achieved earlier.

On 8/3/2025 at 8:16 PM, KhunLA said:

Yea, I'm so stupid and fell for it hard.   I hate saving 40k-50k THB a year energizing my POS BEV that out performs all ICEV that I've owned, and cost less to maintain & operate. 

 

That convenience of simply plugging in at home, using excess solar just sucks.   I'd much rather go to the petrol station and waste 10 minutes every week, and dish out money to them, for that fuel that degrades every part of the car it comes in contact with, even the exhaust.

 

So stupid of me 😎

But you lose on the resale and you still don’t know about the reliability as many of these EV’s are upstarts. Also, battery replacements are pricey… I decided to wait this out a few more years until more data is available. We only have good data on Tesla, most other brands, no data. Time will tell…

14 minutes ago, Fruit Trader said:

Of course everyone carries a spare $500 spare inverter and would never consider it a financial setback [end] dreams

 

 

Actually most people don't keep a spare inverter and probably couldn't swap it  for a broken one without help.

 

I consider the spare inverter part of the cost of my solar system. 

 

I also keep a spare water pump and have quick release fittings on all my pumps. Again another dumb idea apparently.

7 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

When you use ROI, I assume you actually mean payback period.

 

Once solar power is curtailed (in other words can't be used to power the house, charge home batteries or feedback to the grid for financial return) it is lost. If it can be used to charge an EV it dramatically reduces the payback period of a solar system.

 

 

 

During the period where solar production is paying back the investment, all power produced enters the calculation, period. 

 

One could of course say excess solar is free but only free because its not used elsewhere, not free from cost.