26 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

There are many ways to account for excess solar, Bandersnatch is right in considering it free, Fruit Trader is right in amortising it towards ROI.

 

You pick your accounting principle and run with it.

 

In Bandersnatch's case, ROI is calculated from the use case he bought the solar for originally, if he followed Fruit Trader's model then ROI would be achieved earlier.

 

Most AI systems are well trained in logic and will apply a little flexibility around how we use the word 'free' providing we give some wriggle room in the question.

 

AI Example answer: Technically excess solar power is free at the point of generation regardless of whether you have paid off the solar system or not.

 

 

Now if you want to completely disregard any investment made to produce your excess power, one must stay at the point of generation.

 

With electricity cost varying around discount levels and units used it can be difficult to accurately calculate when you have paid back the solar investment. We did this using average unit cost and total production achieved.
 

On 8/3/2025 at 1:06 PM, Cardano said:

Electric vehicles........best marketing campaign and biggest con in the last 10 years, even the idiots in government fell for it!

Probably the second biggest con. after Global Warming 🤣😂

On 8/3/2025 at 2:16 PM, KhunLA said:

Yea, I'm so stupid and fell for it hard.   I hate saving 40k-50k THB a year energizing my POS BEV that out performs all ICEV that I've owned, and cost less to maintain & operate. 

 

That convenience of simply plugging in at home, using excess solar just sucks.   I'd much rather go to the petrol station and waste 10 minutes every week, and dish out money to them, for that fuel that degrades every part of the car it comes in contact with, even the exhaust.

 

So stupid of me 😎

Wait until the batteries give out in a couple of years, hope you manage to get enough juice into them to drive it down to tip. 😂🤣😂

1 hour ago, Chosenfew said:

But you lose on the resale and you still don’t know about the reliability as many of these EV’s are upstarts. Also, battery replacements are pricey… I decided to wait this out a few more years until more data is available. We only have good data on Tesla, most other brands, no data. Time will tell…

I'm 70, waiting isn't really an option, and very happy with our choices.

 

Some dimwits think EV batterys only last a couple of years.

Just now, Bandersnatch said:

 

Some dimwits think EV batterys only last a couple of years.

 

Some dimwits think that a lifetime warranty with conditions means anything but q lifetime warranty

41 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Some dimwits think that a lifetime warranty with conditions means anything but q lifetime warranty

 

All you have to do is service the car, that's the only condition.  Same as any car warranty.

46 minutes ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

Some dimwits think EV batterys only last a couple of years.

I'm 80 and plan on getting 8 years out of mine. 🙂

MG UK 

MG_Online_Warranty_Statement_July_2025

 

https://www.mg.co.uk/sites/default/files/2025-07/MG_Online_Warranty_Statement_July_2025.pdf

 

Lithium-Ion High Voltage Battery <70% of original capacity from 01/01/2024 96 months 100,000 miles

. From 01/01/2025 the Lithium-Ion High Voltage Battery in all cases is covered for 8 years or 100,000 miles whichever comes sooner, terms and conditions apply.

MG Global did state they are running a pilot lifetime warranty for MG Thailand only they didn't state if this lifetime warranty would be extended to countries or regions

 

EV the biggest car scam along with driverless vehicle's, anyone going for that excrement needs to be in a asylum.

2 minutes ago, Andycoops said:

EV the biggest car scam along with driverless vehicle's, anyone going for that excrement needs to be in a asylum.

 

evs aren't scams ... by now, most people understand that they're simply new and still-evolving technologies. if you don't like them, that's fine ... but calling everyone crazy for using them says more about you than it does about the tech ...

Good to see the demise of false eco-crusade.

 

One of the biggest fallacies in recent years: EV for environment.

 

It is nothing more than another cause of environmental disaster:

Lithium mining promotes the desertification of the regions.

 

It is also the time-bomb: Spreading the risk of fire hazard anywhere it is used/stored.

And no schemes of its safe disposal after depletion, in place. 

 

24 minutes ago, Andycoops said:

EV the biggest car scam along with driverless vehicle's, anyone going for that excrement needs to be in a asylum.

 

Truly.

During the mining of its material(Lithium), it pumps up huge amount of water; promoting desertification of the region.

 

Spreading high risk of fire hazard during its operation.

 

Poor milage, and a lot higher cost of maintenance than conventional vehicles.

 

Rendered useless in case of mass disaster; when energy supply shuts down, unlike fuel-run vehicles.

 

 

39 minutes ago, Andycoops said:

EV the biggest car scam along with driverless vehicle's, anyone going for that excrement needs to be in a asylum.

Still living in a Cave and using Smoke signs?

21 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

teSSla 0 to 1939 in 3 seconds

Yea,, dumb lefties will hate Musk and buy a BYD to support the CCP.   

32 minutes ago, black tabby12345 said:

Good to see the demise of false eco-crusade.

 

One of the biggest fallacies in recent years: EV for environment.

 

It is nothing more than another cause of environmental disaster:

Lithium mining promotes the desertification of the regions.

 

It is also the time-bomb: Spreading the risk of fire hazard anywhere it is used/stored.

And no schemes of its safe disposal after depletion, in place. 

 

 

isn't it sad that so many uninformed people feel the need to spread lies and outdated myths about evs, thinking they actually sound smart doing it?

 

wouldn't it be easier and smarter to just learn a few basic facts first about ev's, instead of making a complete fool of yourself in this forum?

maybe that's too much to ask for some people, isn't it?

6 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

 

isn't it sad that so many uninformed people feel the need to spread lies and outdated myths about evs, thinking they actually sound smart doing it?

 

wouldn't it be easier and smarter to just learn a few basic facts first about ev's, instead of making a complete fool of yourself in this forum?

maybe that's too much to ask for some people, isn't it?

The fire danger is real.   A few cargo ships have been sunk by EV’s.

8 minutes ago, TedG said:

The fire danger is real.   A few cargo ships have been sunk by EV’s.

no, ev's haven't 'sunk' any ships ... that’s a myth. while there have been fires on ships involving vehicles, the data shows that internal combustion engine (ice) cars cause more fires during transport than ev's ... or can you provide evidence with reliable sources to support your claim that a few ships have been sunk by ev's?

 

blaming ev's for sinking ships is like blaming smartphones for plane crashes just because there was one on board ... 555

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

the data shows that internal combustion engine (ice) cars cause more fires during transport than ev's ...

 

Is that because more are transported?

24 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

no, ev's haven't 'sunk' any ships ... that’s a myth. while there have been fires on ships involving vehicles, the data shows that internal combustion engine (ice) cars cause more fires during transport than ev's ... or can you provide evidence with reliable sources to support your claim that a few ships have been sunk by ev's?

 

blaming ev's for sinking ships is like blaming smartphones for plane crashes just because there was one on board ... 555

 

 

 

You should spend a few seconds with a search engine before writing an uneducated post.

 

https://www.carscoops.com/2025/06/morning-midas-car-ship-fire-sinking-ev-loss-estimate/

 

Zodiac Maritime, the ship’s operator, reported that smoke was first spotted coming from a deck carrying electrified vehicles before the situation escalated. In total, the ship was transporting 3,159 vehicles. Of those, roughly 681 to 861 are believed to have been hybrids, and another 65 to 70 were fully electric models. All of the vehicles lost were from Chinese car manufacturers, including Great Wall Motor and Chery.

 

 

Major Shipping Company Halts All Electric Vehicle Transport Over Fire Risks

Matson has suspended all electric and plug-in hybrid vehicle shipments across its network, citing lithium-ion battery fire risks. The move follows growing maritime safety concerns.

 

https://www.autoblog.com/news/major-shipping-company-halts-all-electric-vehicle-transport-over-fire-risks

 

 

1 hour ago, TedG said:

You should spend a few seconds with a search engine before writing an uneducated post.

 

I spent a few seconds with a search engine before disproving your uneducated post.

 

Morning Midas the cause of the fire remains unknown at this stage, but the vessel’s cargo comprises 3,048 vehicles, including 70 electric cars and 681 hybrid-electric cars.

https://www.lloydslist.com/LL1153768/Race-is-on-to-save-Zodiac-Maritime-vehicle-carrier-as-big-ro-ro-ship-infernos-mount-up

 

 

Most EVs (All BYDs the top seller of EVs in Thailand, std range Teslas and many other EV manufactures) use Lithium Iron Phosphate (LFP) which doesn't suffer from thermal runaway. Older EVs tend to use Nickel Manganese Cobalt (NMC)

 

LiFePO4 Drill Test by battery expert Will Prowse:

 

 

 

https://thedriven.io/2023/05/16/petrol-and-diesel-cars-20-times-more-likely-to-catch-fire-than-evs/

 

https://theconversation.com/electric-vehicle-fires-are-very-rare-the-risk-for-petrol-and-diesel-vehicles-is-at-least-20-times-higher-213468

 

https://electrek.co/2022/01/12/government-data-shows-gasoline-vehicles-are-significantly-more-prone-to-fires-than-evs/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/20/do-electric-cars-pose-a-greater-fire-risk-than-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles

 

https://www.motortrend.com/features/you-are-wrong-about-ev-fires/

 

5 hours ago, Toby1947 said:

Wait until the batteries give out in a couple of years, hope you manage to get enough juice into them to drive it down to tip. 😂🤣😂

Don't think I have anything to worry about, in my life time, or the wife's.  Self explanatory, even for you ...

 

6 hours ago, Chosenfew said:

But you lose on the resale and you still don’t know about the reliability as many of these EV’s are upstarts. Also, battery replacements are pricey… I decided to wait this out a few more years until more data is available. We only have good data on Tesla, most other brands, no data. Time will tell…

Why would we sell the car, as we love it.  Keeping 10-20 yrs or more, and we'll drain every THB out of it.

 

If we do anything, it will be buy a pick up (BEV), and really been temped already to, but will wait till after the Motor Show, end of year or next.  Maybe some competition & a price drop.

3 hours ago, TedG said:

The fire danger is real.   A few cargo ships have been sunk by EV’s.

 

2 hours ago, TedG said:

You should spend a few seconds with a search engine before writing an uneducated post.

 

https://www.carscoops.com/2025/06/morning-midas-car-ship-fire-sinking-ev-loss-estimate/

 

Zodiac Maritime, the ship’s operator, reported that smoke was first spotted coming from a deck carrying electrified vehicles before the situation escalated. In total, the ship was transporting 3,159 vehicles. Of those, roughly 681 to 861 are believed to have been hybrids, and another 65 to 70 were fully electric models. All of the vehicles lost were from Chinese car manufacturers, including Great Wall Motor and Chery.

 

 

Major Shipping Company Halts All Electric Vehicle Transport Over Fire Risks

Matson has suspended all electric and plug-in hybrid vehicle shipments across its network, citing lithium-ion battery fire risks. The move follows growing maritime safety concerns.

 

https://www.autoblog.com/news/major-shipping-company-halts-all-electric-vehicle-transport-over-fire-risks

 

 

 

 

You guys do both realise that ICE cars are between 10 and 130 times MORE LIKELY to catch fire than a BEV car?

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Why would we sell the car, as we love it.  Keeping 10-20 yrs or more, and we'll drain every THB out of it.

 

If we do anything, it will be buy a pick up (BEV), and really been temped already to, but will wait till after the Motor Show, end of year or next.  Maybe some competition & a price drop.

EV pickup trucks built in Thailand qualify for B100,000 subsidy until end of 2027

EV pickup trucks not built in Thailand receive no subsidy

On 8/6/2025 at 6:12 PM, Bandersnatch said:

So you think they water down the DC charging stations but the liquid fuel at petrol stations is fine?

You definitely shouldn't buy an EV

Thais are always short-cutting electric installations and screwing things up, plus they hot-wire all sorts of stuff.

If you lived here you would know that - obviously you do not.

You should stick to EVs - they are what a fool believes.

 

On 8/3/2025 at 8:16 PM, KhunLA said:

Yea, I'm so stupid and fell for it hard.   I hate saving 40k-50k THB a year energizing my POS BEV that out performs all ICEV that I've owned, and cost less to maintain & operate. 

 

That convenience of simply plugging in at home, using excess solar just sucks.   I'd much rather go to the petrol station and waste 10 minutes every week, and dish out money to them, for that fuel that degrades every part of the car it comes in contact with, even the exhaust.

 

So stupid of me 😎

It's OK, man.   Just think positive!

55 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Thais are always short-cutting electric installations and screwing things up, plus they hot-wire all sorts of stuff.

 

You clearly don't know the difference between Alternating Current and High-voltage Direct Current. 

 

DC fast charging requires a "handshake" process where a DC EV charger and and the EV communicate to establish a secure and reliable charging connection. This involves a series of checks and data exchanges to ensure the charger and vehicle are compatible and ready to begin charging. 

 

If as you claim Thai's have messed with the DC charger to steal some electricity to use at home! it won't damage the EV as the charging handshake process will not be successful and no "dirty electricity" will be able to damage the EV

 

As for AC charging. AC power is sent into the car where the car uses an onboard AC to DC inverter, more properly called a rectifier to create clean DC power to charge the traction battery. So no matter how dirty the grid power is the car is not damaged.

 

On 8/6/2025 at 4:43 PM, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Right now - especially in Thailand, unless it is a Tesla - IMO only buy a HEV if you want electric. NOT a plug-in Hybrid (PHEV), because Thais do stupid things with electricity, and the electricity supply in Thailand is 'dubious' at best.

55 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

If you lived here you would know that - obviously you do not.

You should stick to EVs - they are what a fool believes.

 

and you call me a fool!

Troll and off topic posts removed.

Please stop now.

On 8/7/2025 at 1:41 PM, Bandersnatch said:

 

 

I posted my EVs back on page one of this discussion Posted Monday at 07:36 AM but just taking my Seal AWD Performance:

 

 

580km from an 82.5kWh battery, 7km/kWh.

 

My home charger is a 7kW charger adding 49km per hour or 400km per day

 

 

 

What a nice looking car and good luck to you  but have you thought about the resale value say in 5 years time and you want to upgrade and the battery is at half it's life.? I dougt anyone would want it and if they did you wouldn't get much for it.How much is a new battery and what happens when these Chinese car makers go bust and you need parts ?