7 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Except in places with a burn ban on everything.  He'd have been fine if he tore the flag apart.  That's protected speech.  He started a fire where there are no fires allowed. 

 

No, burning it is now a criminal offence anywhere, nothing to do with your imagined "burning ban" areas.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/08/prosecuting-burning-of-the-american-flag/

5 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

It's a bit of cloth, but it's what it represents.

Flags carry deep emotional resonance. In the U.S., Old Glory represents 250 years of history, military sacrifice, and national unity,

It's a bit of cloth. Your obsession with it is seen as pathetic and ridiculous by the rest of world.

Sadly we have morons (and racists) in the UK trying to emulate you, I hope they do not succeed.

16 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Eh???

It's a bit of cloth, it is not important. And if you want to set fire to a bit of cloth that is your own right, constitutionally protected free speech under the first amendment. Well, it used to be.

See Texas vs Gregory Lee Johnson.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/491/397#:~:text=The court first found that,a symbol of national unity.

You're welcome. MAGA!!

Would you support burning the Pride Flag?

 

🏳️‍🌈 It’s only cloth.

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

I can't wait until they get around to the "public servants" revealed by the burn bags full of evidence that Tulsi's group is now going through.

You've demonstrated that you've got a lot of patience. Aren't you tired of waiting after 3 separate investigations launched during Trump's 1st term turned up nothing?

5 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Would you support burning the Pride Flag?

 

🏳️‍🌈 It’s only cloth.

What a clueless comment. Whether Josephbloggs would support burning it is one thing. Whether he would support making it illegal is another. Trump wasn't expressing just disapproval of burning the flag. He was expressing support for making it illegal. Why don't you understand that?

9 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

No, burning it is now a criminal offence anywhere, nothing to do with your imagined "burning ban" areas.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/08/prosecuting-burning-of-the-american-flag/

 

And that'll get tested in court, and probably tossed out.

4 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Do you feel the same way about your citizens burning the Union Jack?   Many died for that flag too.

 

I know as a leftist you could care less.  It’s only cloth.

 

 

 

 

No, they did not die for a flag. They died protecting the country from invasion. Do you not see the difference? A flag is a bit of cloth, nothing more, nothing less, no one has died for a flag. No one would go to war over a flag. It is a bit of cloth, do what you like with it.

What is your weird obsession over it?

What about patriots wearing it on their shoes that trample on dirty pavements, mud and puddles, and maybe a bit of dog poo here and there?

What about patriots wearing it where it touches their dirty arses, possibly getting skidmarks on it? A year in prison for them now?


 

8 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

It's a bit of cloth. Your obsession with it is seen as pathetic and ridiculous by the rest of world.

Sadly we have morons (and racists) in the UK trying to emulate you, I hope they do not succeed.

9 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Would you support burning the Pride Flag?

 

🏳️‍🌈 It’s only cloth.

Correct, it is only cloth. Couldn't care less. If you attack gay people or their rights that's another issue, but do what you like to some nylon.

Everyone should have the right to symbolic protest, as long as it doesn't infringe upon anyone's rights.

2 hours ago, nick supreme said:

As advocates of progressive values, we must firmly reject violence in all forms, except when it comes to standing against the harmful actions of those who uphold Republican principles.

Yea we are witnessing (retrumplican) principles there aren’t many republicans left and the ones that are are keeping their heads down trying to survive but you know that allready.

8 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

You've demonstrated that you've got a lot of patience. Aren't you tired of waiting after 3 separate investigations launched during Trump's 1st term turned up nothing?

 

Can't say I'm surprised that they didn't turn up the evidence that's been hidden away in the burn bags.

2 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Got yourself a new “friend” Tug.
 

You and @Tug

 

A match made in heaven. 
 

Are AN members invited to the ceremony?

Are you a homosexual?you are creeping me out.keep your weird fantasy to yourself please.

38 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Can't say I'm surprised that they didn't turn up the evidence that's been hidden away in the burn bags.

Sure, Because the FBI and other agents use scribes to create documents, so once they're burned, they're gone. Maybe there's just the smallest possibility that paper documents get destroyed because they are inherently insecure? I bet you're still waiting for those documents thousands of Epstein case documents that the FBI office in NY is hiding.

4 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

No, they did not die for a flag. They died protecting the country from invasion. Do you not see the difference? A flag is a bit of cloth, nothing more, nothing less, no one has died for a flag. No one would go to war over a flag. It is a bit of cloth, do what you like with it.

What is your weird obsession over it?

What about patriots wearing it on their shoes that trample on dirty pavements, mud and puddles, and maybe a bit of dog poo here and there?

What about patriots wearing it where it touches their dirty arses, possibly getting skidmarks on it? A year in prison for them now?


 

My statement was spot on.  You could care less of your countrymen who died representing your countries flag.

 

Pathetic leftist.

 

I would be honored to burn your pride flag 🏳️‍🌈 in front of you.  A great honor indeed.

4 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Correct, it is only cloth. Couldn't care less. If you attack gay people or their rights that's another issue, but do what you like to some nylon.

Everyone should have the right to symbolic protest, as long as it doesn't infringe upon anyone's rights.

Which is it ?  Cloth or Nylon?  You flip flopping as much as a Bi -Polar woman.

4 hours ago, Tug said:

Are you a homosexual?you are creeping me out.keep your weird fantasy to yourself please.

Oc course I’m not but I think your new friend is.  You should meet him in Hillcrest.  He ‘s quite fond of you.

25 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Which is it ?  Cloth or Nylon?  You flip flopping as much as a Bi -Polar woman.

That's the extent of your argument is it? That I have referred to cloth flags and nylon flags. Flags are made of many different materials, it doesn't change the fact that worshipping them is childish and pointless, they are just inanimate objects.

4 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

It's a bit of cloth, but it's what it represents.

Flags carry deep emotional resonance. In the U.S., Old Glory represents 250 years of history, military sacrifice, and national unity,

I love ya for your response ,Betsy Ross would be proud. If I may it also symbolizes  shared values. As soon as I seen the firebugs

comment in the news “burning this flag as a protest to that illegal fascist president that sits in that house,” gesturing toward the White House". I knew that he represents a greater threat than any other adversarial country, the threat from within,internal threat,the farleft extremist have been showing this  in chaotic protests & riots for what seems like everyday in the last 10 years.

 

7 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

It's a bit of cloth.

 

   

    So is the Mona Lisa, just a bit of cloth.

Burn that as well ?

32 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

My statement was spot on.  You could care less of your countrymen who died representing your countries flag.

 

Pathetic leftist.

 

I would be honored to burn your pride flag 🏳️‍🌈 in front of you.  A great honor indeed.

Oh dear, touched a nerve have I by picking on your lickle wickle flagy waggy?

Please don't try and twist my words, my meaning was clear. I said they went to war and died protecting the country - they did not do it for a flag, they did it for their country. If you are too dense to understand the difference then there is no hope for you.

And now calling me a homosexual, what a class act you are. Childish beyond belief, but every thread is the same, you just insult people and bring nothing to the argument. 

 

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   

    So is the Mona Lisa, just a bit of cloth.

Burn that as well ?

Now you're being silly.

That is a unique and priceless artwork, it is not a $5 bit of cloth/nylon/paper that you can buy on eBay. If Mona Lisas were flying across the country and you can make your own or buy one in a shop then go ahead and burn one.

If there was only one flag in the world and it was irreplaceable then you probably shouldn't burn it. 

Try and use grown up arguments.

 

I searched for Mona Lisa on Amazon but it didn't have any. Flags on the other hand....

 

 

 

 

So much fake patriotism in America and I would guess that Trump is one of the greatest of the fake patriots. I'd be curious how many people who consider themselves to be patriots in the US, have passports and have ever been outside of the United States?

 

I would also be curious how many of them would put their lives at risk in a war, if the situation called for it. We know Trump nor Vance would. Or send their sons or daughters overseas, to sacrifice their lives or limbs? It is very easy to say you're a patriot, when there's nothing at stake.

 

Standing for the pledge is an artifice created by the war department in 1942, to drum up patriotism for  enlistments. It was perhaps required at that time. It has since been highly politicized and is not necessarily a symbol of patriotism.

 

Trump was offended by the military. Unlike the coward who got 5 deferrments when his nation asked him to serve, the military men and women consistently put their own lives on the line. Don cannot relate to self sacrifice. So, he belittles them, betraying his own lack of dignity. That is just who he is. The ultimate lowlife. McCain was a hero. Don has always been a coward. 

 

Real Americans? Is that some sort of secret language for white men? Color hating folks, who think the past was unbelievably great? When American prospects were HUUUGGGE? Explain your version of real American to me.

 

I am an American, but I guess I am a traitor, since:

1. I do object to kids being locked up in cages, away from their folks.

2. I think American industry invites, and wants illegal immigrants to work for them (surprise, surprise).

3. I think it is ridiculous to talk about illegal immigration if you are incapable or unwilling to discuss reform of the legal immigration system, which is dysfunctional and completely broken. Nobody touches that one.

4. I think protecting public lands and having respect, rather than disdain for nature, is a GOOD thing.

5. I think that a woman should have the right to decide what to do with her body, and be able to choose abortion, when she is unwilling to care for the child (the last thing in the world this planet needs is another child).

6. I believe that long held alliances and treaties deserve respect. Same applies to foreign leaders. And I believe showing animosity toward close allies, while coddling dictators is just bad policy, or the ample demonstration of no policy.

7. The state department needs to be bolstered and protected, not decimated. Those 40 plus ambassadorships, that remain vacant need to be filled quickly.

8. I believe the last thing we need right now is more division and hatred.

9. Free trade is a positive thing for the US economy. Trade wars are infantile, unnecessary, and could result in a significant slowing down of the American and world economy, which would be the end of the Trump era.

10. I believe that the National Guard and the US Armed Forces should never be deployed to the streets of America, except under the most dire of emergencies.

11. I consider masked ICE officers who kidnap people from their homes or places of employment, and are unwilling to show any form of identification, to be conducting a form of domestic terrorism. 

 

Trump is like a whiny 6-year-old kid who hasn't been able to get his way for a very long time, compared to a giant like Kennedy who inspired millions and dramatically improved life in America. Or a patriot like McCain, who risked life and limb for his nation. 

 

He is a felon, a tax evader, a bank fraudster, a scammer, and the ultimate election denier. He personifies a total lack of dignity, leadership, and decency.

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Now you're being silly.

That is a unique and priceless artwork, it is not a $5 bit of cloth/nylon/paper that you can buy on eBay. If Mona Lisas were flying across the country and you can make your own or buy one in a shop then go ahead and burn one.

If there was only one flag in the world and it was irreplaceable then you probably shouldn't burn it. 

Try and use grown up arguments.

 

I searched for Mona Lisa on Amazon but it didn't have any. Flags on the other hand....

 

 

 

 

 

   I used Mona Lisa as an example .

If flags are just bits off cloth, then so are paintings and other art work. 

Burn the Koran and Bible as they are just bits of paper ?

(BTW, it would be nice to have a conversation without you making condescending remarks )

I wonder if anyone will try to torch the huge banners of Trump's face that are being unfurlled down the sides of US government buildings in DC. Honestly, those huge banners of Trump's face hanging on government buildings, coupled with the posters advertising apprenticeships for Strong American Workers that look like 1930's German propaganda = when take together - really do look like Nazi retreads. 

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I used Mona Lisa as an example .

If flags are just bits off cloth, then so are paintings and other art work. 

 

No, they are not. They are unique, therefore they are irreplaceable, have value and should not be burned.

 

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Burn the Koran and Bible as they are just bits of paper ?

Go for it. Don't burn the original manuscript, but if you want to set fire to a reprint, off you go - it is worthless and there are millions of them. It should be your right to burn it as a form of symbolic protest if you wish, same as your flag.

 

6 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

I wonder if anyone will try to torch the huge banners of Trump's face that are being unfurlled down the sides of US government buildings in DC. Honestly, those huge banners of Trump's face hanging on government buildings, coupled with the posters advertising apprenticeships for Strong American Workers that look like 1930's German propaganda = when take together - really do look like Nazi retreads. 

Wow, I thought that couldn't possibly be true, but it is!! How can anyone be OK with this?

https://www.newsweek.com/department-labor-trump-portrait-2119185

6 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Go for it. Don't burn the original manuscript, but if you want to set fire to a reprint, off you go

 

   I don't want to burn anything .

I wouldn't set fire to anything .

I was just giving an example

8 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Wow, I thought that couldn't possibly be true, but it is!! How can anyone be OK with this?

https://www.newsweek.com/department-labor-trump-portrait-2119185

And here is the USDOL nazi-like promo for apprenticeships

 

31 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

Now you're being silly.

That is a unique and priceless artwork, it is not a $5 bit of cloth/nylon/paper that you can buy on eBay. If Mona Lisas were flying across the country and you can make your own or buy one in a shop then go ahead and burn one.

If there was only one flag in the world and it was irreplaceable then you probably shouldn't burn it. 

Try and use grown up arguments.

 

I searched for Mona Lisa on Amazon but it didn't have any. Flags on the other hand....

 

 

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

No, they are not. They are unique, therefore they are irreplaceable, have value and should not be burned.

 

Go for it. Don't burn the original manuscript, but if you want to set fire to a reprint, off you go - it is worthless and there are millions of them. It should be your right to burn it as a form of symbolic protest if you wish, same as your flag.

 

 

    You could just write explaining that there are lots of Bibles and flags , no need to post lots of pictures of them to make the point 🙂

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I don't want to burn anything .

I wouldn't set fire to anything .

I was just giving an example

I was speaking as a general "you".