mRNA Vaccines DID NOT UNDERGO a legally regulated drug approval or manufacturing process

 

 

The above is not a rhetorical question.  It had and still has profound impact on the 'safety and effectiveness' of these products. 

What do you believe the claims of “safe and effective” for mRNA products are based on?

Source: https://debbielerman.substack.com/p/covid-mrna-vaccines-are-unregulated

 

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Here’s how the FDA and CDC explain what EUA means, compared to other “Access Mechanisms” for medical products:

Mod's note: post headline corrected to match headline of cited article.

About Debbie Lerman & Her Substack

"Except for dissident writers on Substack, and at places like the Brownstone Institute, where I have published all of my articles until now." [emphasis added]

 

 

Who is Funding the Brownstone Institute?

New tax filings provide some clarity about the funders of the prolific COVID-19 conspiracy outfit. [emphasis added]

Last updated 10/1/24.

 

A shadowy dark money group that has been waging information warfare on public health efforts to tackle the COVID-19 pandemic took big money from nonprofit foundations and funds in 2021, tax records reveal.

 

Since its establishment in May 2021, the Brownstone Institute has become a prolific and central hub of COVID-related misinformation and conspiracy thinking. Brownstone authors, who include prominent public health contrarians and conspiracy theorists, and COVID minimizers, downplay the seriousness of the virus while hyping up concerns about the supposed harms of mitigation measures. The group has also encouraged anti-vaccine sentiment, platforming prominent vaccine skeptics and misinformation spreaders like Dr. Robert Malone and Naomi Wolf." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.importantcontext.news/p/who-is-funding-the-brownstone-institute

 

 

 

Quite a whackjob conspiracy theorist she is... fitting right in at the Brownstone Institute:

 

 

 

https://brownstone.org/author/debbie-lerman/

 

 

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

About Debbie Lerman & Her Substack

"Except for dissident writers on Substack, and at places like the Brownstone Institute, where I have published all of my articles until now." [emphasis added]

 

Who is Funding the Brownstone Institute?

New tax filings provide some clarity about the funders of the prolific COVID-19 conspiracy outfit. [emphasis added]

Last updated 10/1/24.

 

A shadowy dark money group that has been waging information warfare on public health efforts to tackle the COVID-19 pandemic took big money from nonprofit foundations and funds in 2021, tax records reveal.

 

Since its establishment in May 2021, the Brownstone Institute has become a prolific and central hub of COVID-related misinformation and conspiracy thinking. Brownstone authors, who include prominent public health contrarians and conspiracy theorists, and COVID minimizers, downplay the seriousness of the virus while hyping up concerns about the supposed harms of mitigation measures. The group has also encouraged anti-vaccine sentiment, platforming prominent vaccine skeptics and misinformation spreaders like Dr. Robert Malone and Naomi Wolf." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.importantcontext.news/p/who-is-funding-the-brownstone-institute

 

First rule of those that have no arguments contesting the CONTENT of the article:

> Shoot the messenger or the site/journal where it got published. 

@Red Phoenix and his perpetual s**tposting gets put down…again.  

5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Quite a whackjob conspiracy theorist she is... fitting right in at the Brownstone Institute:

 

 

 

https://brownstone.org/author/debbie-lerman/

 

... and repeat

First rule of those that have no arguments contesting the CONTENT of the article:

> Shoot the messenger or the site/journal where it got published. 

Just now, TimBKK said:

@Red Phoenix and his perpetual s**tposting gets put down…again.  

 

TGJiBKK did not provide one argument contesting the FACT > mRNA Vaccines DID NOT UNDERGO a legally regulated drug approval or manufacturing process

The table posted higher is from the FDA and CDC. 

And it explains what EUA means, compared to other “Access Mechanisms” to ensure safety and effectiveness of medical products.

But of course I did not expect anything else from posters that contested that the mRNA shots were experimental. .  

 

When the posted content is nothing more than steaming piles of rubbish, all that's left to meaningful address is who is purveying the rubbish, so everyone can be clear about just where it's coming from, and what kind of track record the creator(s) have.

 

The signatories of the Great Barrington Declaration and its “spiritual child” the Brownstone Institute, swear up and down that they are not anttivaccine. If that’s so, why are Brownstone-affiliated academics spreading antivaccine misinformation in Uganda?

 

David Gorski on January 24, 2022

 

"Let’s just say that I’ve long perused the Brownstone Institute’s list of articles, and they are depressingly similar in their message, be it promoting disproven treatments like hydroxychloroquine (the promotion of which first brought America’s Frontline Doctors to prominence in 2020) and ivermectin, deceptive promotion of “natural immunity” as a way out of the pandemic, more false descriptions of masking children as “abusive“, a hilariously and dramatically overblown article by Stacey Rudin titled “The Monumental Sacrifice of Novak Djokovic” (the tennis player barred from Australia for being unvaccinated), articles credulously touting the “lab leak” conspiracy theory, and articles arguing that COVID-19 vaccines aren’t working and against vaccinating children.

There’s even an article that compared vaccine mandates to the sort of “othering” of minority populations that led to the crimes of the Soviet gulag, the Holocaust, Jim Crow, Rwanda. This, of course, is a common blatantly antivaccine narrative going back, well, as long as I’ve been paying attention to the antivaccine movement."

 

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-spiritual-child-of-the-great-barrington-declaration-promotes-antivaccine-misinformation/

 

Science-Based Medicine is dedicated to evaluating medical treatments and products of interest to the public in a scientific light, and promoting the highest standards and traditions of science in health care.

 

DAVID H. GORSKI, MD, PhD, FACS is Professor of Surgery and Oncology at the Wayne State University School of Medicine... Dr. Gorski first became interested in pseudoscience and “alternative” medicine around 2000, when quite by accident he wandered into the Usenet newsgroup misc.health.alternative and began critically examining the claims there.

 

 

16 minutes ago, TimBKK said:

@Red Phoenix and his perpetual s**t posting gets put down…again.  

There are alternative places to go to Tim. Some say they are extremely dodgy. Others say they are worse than that.

 

So you are not likely to get more truth than what yer do on here. CDC, WHO, BBC etc.

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

When the posted content is nothing more than steaming piles of rubbish, all that's left to meaningful address is who is purveying the rubbish, so everyone can be clear about just where it's coming from, and what kind of track record the creator(s) have.

 

If the article is a 'steaming pile of rubbish' it should be easy for you to debunk it.  

But I note that you did not provide even one argument contesting the facts and statements made in that well-written and researched article.  

Your ad-hominem posts are simply pathetic.

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There are alternative places to go to Tim. Some say they are extremely dodgy. Others say they are worse than that.

 

So you are not likely to get more truth than what yer do on here. CDC, WHO, BBC etc.

And the alter ego heard from with additional misinformation.

2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

If the article is a 'steaming pile of rubbish' it should be easy for you to debunk it.  

But I note that you did not provide even one argument contesting the facts and statements made in that well-written and researched article.  

Your ad-hominem posts are simply pathetic.

It has been debunked above. Your misdirection does not cover the lies.

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

FACT > mRNA Vaccines DID NOT UNDERGO a legally regulated drug approval or manufacturing process

 

 

The above is not a rhetorical question.  It had and still has profound impact on the 'safety and effectiveness' of these products. 

What do you believe the claims of “safe and effective” for mRNA products are based on?

Source: https://debbielerman.substack.com/p/covid-mrna-vaccines-are-unregulated

 

= = = 

 

Here’s how the FDA and CDC explain what EUA means, compared to other “Access Mechanisms” for medical products:

Keep up the good work mate - they must never feel fully comfortable again. Those that made it happen, those that profited off it, and those that supported it. As the years roll forward, more and more will be revealed.  If it is any solace to that that supported it, they did not at the time reveal the truth. The makers and the profiteers knew it was not proven safe, through the standard vaccine approval processes, but did not reveal the extent of how dangerous it could be. 

 

Many people today cannot understand how the people of Germany could do what they did, when the Nazis were in charge. Those that do know, understand the value of fear and propaganda in making people do what you want them to do.  The Nazis were the first Government to utilise that to the fullest extent possible.  They now have it down to a fine art, and it was our old nemesis Obama who passed a law making it legal for the US Govt and Agencies to use propaganda in a time of peace - prior to then it was only legal during war.  

5 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

It has been debunked above. Your misdirection does not cover the lies.

Show me WHERE the facts and statements made in the article have been debunked.  

All I see are shoot-the-messenger and source attacks.

FDA Takes Action on Updated mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines to Better Protect Against Currently Circulating Variants

 

September 11, 2023

 

"Today’s actions relate to updated mRNA vaccines for 2023-2024 manufactured by ModernaTX Inc. and Pfizer Inc. Consistent with the totality of the evidence and input from the FDA’s expert advisors, these vaccines have been updated to include a monovalent (single) component that corresponds to the Omicron variant XBB.1.5.

...

"Specifically, today’s actions include:

• Approval of Comirnaty [Pfizer] (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) to include the 2023-2024 formula, and a change to a single dose for individuals 12 years of age and older. Comirnaty was previously approved as a two-dose series for individuals 12 years of age and older. 
• Approval of Spikevax [Moderna] (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) to include the 2023-2024 formula, a change to a single dose for individuals 18 years of age and older, and approval of a single dose for individuals 12 through 17 years of age. Spikevax was previously approved as a two-dose series for individuals 18 years of age and older. "

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-takes-action-updated-mrna-covid-19-vaccines-better-protect-against-currently-circulating

 

I.e., these vaccines as listed above were no longer under EUA approvals, and instead had full and regular FDA approvals, as of this FDA action above.

 

 

 

 

 

And your problem in 2025 is ????

1 hour ago, cjinchiangrai said:

And the alter ego heard from with additional misinformation.

Many members on here are changing their minds. Because of sound arguments, solid data and plain common sense.

 

There is no record, anywhere, that shows a pathogenic virus in nature. Only in a computer.

 

There is no record that shows infection is transmissible.

 

You have backed a loser Sir. And the race is almost over. Kennedy will hopefully see it over the line.

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

> Shoot the messenger or the site/journal where it got published. 

I suppose you diligently read, research and consider articles published by MSN?

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

> Shoot the messenger or the site/journal where it got published. 

I suppose you diligently read, research and consider articles published by MSN?

3 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Many members on here are changing their minds. Because of sound arguments, solid data and plain common sense.

 

There is no record, anywhere, that shows a pathogenic virus in nature. Only in a computer.

 

There is no record that shows infection is transmissible.

 

You have backed a loser Sir. And the race is almost over. Kennedy will hopefully see it over the line.

Only centuries of research backing germs, vaccines and antibiotics. You have nothing, even with Red backing up your nonsense.

Just now, cjinchiangrai said:

Only centuries of research backing germs, vaccines and antibiotics. You have nothing, even with Red backing up your nonsense.

There is NO research backing up the 'Germ Theory' what so ever.

 

It is anti-science and anti-nature. You simply don't know what you are talking about. You can have my jab next time around Sir.

8 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Many members on here are changing their minds. Because of sound arguments, solid data and plain common sense.

LOL..... many more are realizing how pathetic your opinions are... especially the opinions supporting medical knowledge from the time of quill pens and coal oil lamps for household lighting.  You know what I refer to.... your baffling infatuation with Koch's postulates from the 1880's..... I bet you wish you were born in his era when science was so much better than today  555.

As it looks that almost nobody bothers to actually read the article, here an excerpt from the article explaining what it

means in terms of potential harms caused by these mRNA products [which were developed and marketed under EUA], and the ability to hold anyone legally accountable for them:

• The process through which the products were developed and manufactured was not expected by regulators, lawmakers or anyone else to produce any useful information regarding safety or efficacy. Therefore, any claims related to safety or efficacy were purely promotional and not based on any scientifically validate-able data.

• There is not, nor has there ever been, any requirement to follow up on any safety signals that may or may not be detected in the process of the unregulated experiments conducted on these products.

• Even if safety signals are detected and people are harmed or killed, no one who tests, develops, manufactures, distributes, administers or does anything else related to these products is legally liable.

• As long as these products are covered by an emergency PREP Act declaration, this legal framework remains intact.

Talking about a Hot Potato that nobody wants to touch...

 

Mod's note: oversized font normalized.

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There is NO research backing up the 'Germ Theory' what so ever.

 

It is anti-science and anti-nature. You simply don't know what you are talking about. You can have my jab next time around Sir.

You can say Sir a million times over but it won’t change a thing buddy - you spew laughably and demonstrably false, misleading, wacky, incoherent b.s. on a regular basis.  That is disrespectful to anyone who has a brain.  Sir 

3 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There is NO research backing up the 'Germ Theory' what so ever.

 

It is anti-science and anti-nature. You simply don't know what you are talking about. You can have my jab next time around Sir.

I am already fully jabbed, thank you for offering though. Not discussing anything with someone that failed elementary school science.

3 hours ago, TimBKK said:

You can say Sir a million times over but it won’t change a thing buddy - you spew laughably and demonstrably false, misleading, wacky, incoherent b.s. on a regular basis.  That is disrespectful to anyone who has a brain.  Sir 

Too much faith in money-grabbing fraudsters for you Buddy.

How to block anything COVID on this forum.....?

 

 

29 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

How to block anything COVID on this forum.....?

 

 

You can't just ignore the posts or posters.