September 18, 2025Sep 18 13 minutes ago, WDSmart said: In any event, Kirk was an extreme right-wing activist. according to you and a few others like you, nobody else is it not possible to omit the word "extreme"? might make you sound a little less deranged
September 18, 2025Sep 18 47 minutes ago, Harrisfan said: He's a decent shot though but everything was poorly planned. He should have worn a fake beard and left no dna at scene. He could have gotten away with it in thailand, even with CCTV everywhere. I wouldnt even try running a red light in the US.
September 18, 2025Sep 18 1 hour ago, JimHuaHin said: Fascist America comes alive. Just wait until Trump turns against his supporters. He already has but they are too ignorant to realize it.
September 18, 2025Sep 18 Popular Post 15 minutes ago, WDSmart said: I say "anti-trans" because Kirk was against allowing trans children from getting the gender-affirming transition they want, and their parents and their doctor have agreed to. "Anti-gay" (Did I say that? I should have said anti-LGBTQ+) means someone who believes LGBTQ+ people are deranged and should not be allowed to live their life the way they want. I've seen and even posted on this forum statements from Kirk that show he's anti-Black and demeaning of women. And, yes, I heard and copied these quotes on CNN and online, sites that you would probably believe are leftist. I'm a far-left liberal, so these are the news and sites I watch and visit. I don't think they "doctor" their news, but, really, who knows? I assume you are right-wing and watch and read mostly right-wing sources. How do you know they aren't doctoring what they feed you? I've provided quotes on this and other forums. I've also seen video of clips of his online program in which he says racist and misogynistic things. In any event, Kirk was an extreme right-wing activist. I vehemently disagreed with everything I've heard he believed in. IMO, Robinson thought Kirk's rhetoric was a danger to his trans partner, and he probably also hated other things he said. That, IMO, is Robinson's motive for killing allegedly killing Kirk. And, no, if my "IMOs" are correct, I don't think the killing was justified. Kirk was not far right. Average American.
September 18, 2025Sep 18 Popular Post Just now, jvs said: He already has but they are too ignorant to realize it. Clueless
September 18, 2025Sep 18 2 minutes ago, Bday Prang said: 16 minutes ago, WDSmart said: In any event, Kirk was an extreme right-wing activist. according to you and a few others like you, nobody else is it not possible to omit the word "extreme"? might make you sound a little less deranged I say "extreme" because of his openly racist, misogynistic, anti-trans, etc. rhetoric. Not all right-wingers agree with all of those positions, at least that's what I hope.
September 18, 2025Sep 18 2 minutes ago, Harrisfan said: Kirk was not far right. Average American. I certainly hope not. (And I'm referring to US residents, not all Americans, but I'm sure he's nothing like an average American either.)
September 18, 2025Sep 18 Just now, WDSmart said: I certainly hope not. (And I'm referring to US residents, not all Americans, but I'm sure he's nothing like an average American either.) Yes he is. Millions exactly like him. Thats why so many like him. You have been living under a rock in Thailand. A normal bible American
September 18, 2025Sep 18 3 minutes ago, WDSmart said: I say "extreme" because of his openly racist, misogynistic, anti-trans, etc. rhetoric. Not all right-wingers agree with all of those positions, at least that's what I hope. He's not racist or a woman hater
September 18, 2025Sep 18 49 minutes ago, ecline said: Who cares if he said dumb stuff? Who cares that it "can't be erased"? Have you never said anything dumb, held an opinion your friends or family didn't like? Did they shoot you for it? Are you sure he said dumb stuff? Have you followed up on the supposedly racist/homophobic/transphobic things he said? If you do, you will find that virtually all of the things the left claims are hateful, are anything but. Context is important, but more important are the actual words used. It's not that we don't want news outlets quoting him. We don't want his words being manipulated and edited to support a phony narrative. Saying transgenderism is a cancer on society is not the same as saying transgender people are a cancer on society. And indeed, in this example, he was talking about the pipeline that encourages the removal of healthy body parts from confused individuals who have not yet reached the age of consent. There was no hate in that statement. And it is not dumb. It is something that people are free to agree with or not, but claiming it is hateful and dumb is disingenuous at best, and hateful and dumb at worst. The other thing he said about wondering whether a black pilot on an airplane is qualified is in response to United Airlines announcing they would fill 40% of pilot jobs with minorities and women. This is bad idea for obvious reasons. Merit is the only thing that should be considered for positions such as these. That policy does a terrible disservice to the many qualified black, minority and women pilots currently flying for United and other airlines. His comments were meant to highlight exactly this fact. These are only two examples, but they are the ones being cited most frequently in the lefty fake news. There is a video of Kirk debating an actual far-right kid who was taking Kirk to task for having gay friends since God considers that a sin, saying gays should not be allowed in the GOP. Kirk's defense of his gay friends was based on reason, and surprisingly, scripture. But I guess since his gay friends are also conservatives, they don't count and Kirk, therefore, is homophobic. We have created a generation of functional illiterates, unable to parse meaning and nuance and unwilling to entertain ideas that may be contrary to their own. This is a bill that will be coming due soon. I do give Kirk credit for being open minded about gay and lesbian folks, apparently that alienated some of his more staunch supporters.
September 18, 2025Sep 18 3 minutes ago, WDSmart said: I say "extreme" because of his openly racist, misogynistic, anti-trans, etc. rhetoric. Not all right-wingers agree with all of those positions, at least that's what I hope. he was none of those things, You have to accept that your views are shared only by a tiny minority. For starters he was a happily married man with 2 children, where is the misogyny in that.?
September 18, 2025Sep 18 36 minutes ago, WDSmart said: 1. Would you feel differently about this incident if Kirk was single and had no children? Or if Robinson was married and a father of kids? Yes, I would. The fact that Kirk was a father and had two children, a beautiful family makes what was destroyed even more regrettable. 39 minutes ago, WDSmart said: Yes, Robinson is accused of actually killing Kirk. IMO, Robinson believed Kirk was a danger to his trans partner and other trans and LGBTQ people. Robinson's statement about this is clear, and he believed Kirk had to be stopped, "I had had enough of his hatred,” Robinson allegedly responded. “Some hate can’t be negotiated out.” Robinson did kill Kirk. And he told us why, he did not like the "hatred", so it's not a question of "danger". He clearly did NOT think Twiggs was in immediate danger, he just did not like the "hatred" as he called it, ie Kirk's view that a man with a wig is not a woman. Even if he did believe Kirk was a danger, that belief is not reasonable, ojectively speaking. Kirk did not even know Twiggs existed. 42 minutes ago, WDSmart said: didn't understand this one. IMO, there is no difference between "being a killer" and "killing a family man who committed no crime." I guess a "killer" is a more generic term and could apply to anyone who kills anyone else. I guess you could call that "homicide." Killing someone who has committed no crime" would be called "murder." Again, whether or not the victim was married and had children is, IMO, irrelevant. Okay, I'll put it this way. The government kills someone who did not kill anybody - shocking, right? The government kills someone who himself killed another being, a murderer - Not the same thing, is it? 43 minutes ago, WDSmart said: . Kirk's actions that Robinson allegedly thought endangered his trans partner was Kirk's threatening rhetoric to trans people in general. It would be like someone whose wife was Hispanic would be angry at Kirk if he spoke out against all Hispanics. Sorry, it would not be objectively reasonable if Robinson believed Kirk was a danger to Twiggs. Kirk did not know Twiggs existed. Like you said yourself, he killed Kirk because he was angry, Robinson was full of hatred for Kirk. That was the real reason Robinson killed kirk. What he accused Kirk of, Robinson harboured in his heart, extreme hatred. Robinson's motive was hatred based on his left wing political views which were in turn based on his sexual preference for homosexuality and his love of transsexuals.
September 18, 2025Sep 18 1 minute ago, Bday Prang said: he was none of those things, You have to accept that your views are shared only by a tiny minority. For starters he was a happily married man with 2 children, where is the misogyny in that.? Lefties think all bible folks are far right now. They are just old fashioned. My grandparents were similar to Kirk.
September 18, 2025Sep 18 46 minutes ago, Dan O said: No gun on the way up to the roof, no gun on the way down. A gun that cant be broken down quickly or easily. A fully assembled gun found in the woods when he exited thru a neighborhood. There was a gun on the way down, it's on video. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean there was no gun. Having said that there are people raising doubts, saying Kirk was shot from behind, that Robinson is just a "patsy". But where is the evidence for this? And why would Robinson take the death penalty as a "patsy"? Doesn't make sense on the facts, does it?
September 18, 2025Sep 18 22 minutes ago, Harrisfan said: Clueless Yes they are,thanks for confirming!
September 18, 2025Sep 18 13 minutes ago, Bday Prang said: he was none of those things, You have to accept that your views are shared only by a tiny minority. For starters he was a happily married man with 2 children, where is the misogyny in that.? I don't think my views are only shared by a "tiny minority." I don't even think it's a minority. I don't believe the majority of US residents think Kirk was NOT an extreme right-wing activist. Being married (to a woman) and having children have nothing to do with misogyny. For example, you could be that but require your wife to remain in the house to do housework, and only come out accompanied by you. Having children could be considered her "duty." I'm not saying this is the case with Krik, but I'm just responding to your statement above.
September 18, 2025Sep 18 18 minutes ago, Cameroni said: Robinson's motive was hatred based on his left wing political views which were in turn based on his sexual preference for homosexuality and his love of transsexuals. I'll only respond to your last statement; otherwise, we would just be repeating our views on this and arguing about them. I believe Robinson's MAIN and actually ONLY motive was based on his hatred of Kirk's views on LGBTQ+ and trans people. Yes, he probably also did have other leftist views, but I don't think any of them were a motive. After all, I share what is probably most of Robinson's views on Kirk, but none of my views engender enough hatred in me to kill someone. At least one of Robinson's views did, and I believe it was his hatred of Kirk's views on trans people.
September 18, 2025Sep 18 47 minutes ago, WDSmart said: I say "anti-trans" because Kirk was against allowing trans children from getting the gender-affirming transition they want, and their parents and their doctor have agreed to. I think about 80% of people are against child having their genitals mutilated and or given dangerous drugs. You are for it. I think that makes you a vile human being, and you a danger to my child. 47 minutes ago, WDSmart said: "Anti-gay" (Did I say that? I should have said anti-LGBTQ+) means someone who believes LGBTQ+ people are deranged and should not be allowed to live their life the way they want. What, did he say like Obama, that marriage should be between a man and a woman? And per you, that justified the shooter killing him. 47 minutes ago, WDSmart said: I've seen and even posted on this forum statements from Kirk that show he's anti-Black and demeaning of women. And, yes, I heard and copied these quotes on CNN and online, sites that you would probably believe are leftist. I'm a far-left liberal, so these are the news and sites I watch and visit. I don't think they "doctor" their news, but, really, who knows? I assume you are right-wing and watch and read mostly right-wing sources. How do you know they aren't doctoring what they feed you? Yes, you have seen regurgitated out of context doctored statements disparaging Kirk. You have not posted anything that shows Kirk is anti-blank and demeaning of women. I asked you to post support for your false claims, but you have not. And quit sayings "far-left liberal". They are mutually exclusive. I am a liberal. 47 minutes ago, WDSmart said: I've provided quotes on this and other forums. I've also seen video of clips of his online program in which he says racist and misogynistic things. Sure you have. 47 minutes ago, WDSmart said: In any event, Kirk was an extreme right-wing activist. I vehemently disagreed with everything I've heard he believed in. IMO, Robinson thought Kirk's rhetoric was a danger to his trans partner, and he probably also hated other things he said. That, IMO, is Robinson's motive for killing allegedly killing Kirk. And, no, if my "IMOs" are correct, I don't think the killing was justified. Per your thinking, 80% of people in the US are a danger to Robinson's trans partner.
September 18, 2025Sep 18 45 minutes ago, WDSmart said: I say "extreme" because of his openly racist, misogynistic, anti-trans, etc. rhetoric. Not all right-wingers agree with all of those positions, at least that's what I hope. I get it now. You are just a pathetic old man starving for attention.
September 18, 2025Sep 18 5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: I get it now. You are just a pathetic old man starving for attention. Its as if he is a "born again" wokie and the novelty has not worn off yet
September 18, 2025Sep 18 9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said: I think about 80% of people are against child having their genitals mutilated and or given dangerous drugs. You are for it. I think that makes you a vile human being, and you a danger to my child. What, did he say like Obama, that marriage should be between a man and a woman? And per you, that justified the shooter killing him. Yes, you have seen regurgitated out of context doctored statements disparaging Kirk. You have not posted anything that shows Kirk is anti-blank and demeaning of women. I asked you to post support for your false claims, but you have not. And quit sayings "far-left liberal". They are mutually exclusive. I am a liberal. Sure you have. Per your thinking, 80% of people in the US are a danger to Robinson's trans partner. I'm not a danger to you or your child. If you really thought I was, would you consider killing me? That's what I think was Robinson's motive. I NEVER said that any of Robinson's alleged beliefs JUSTIFIED his alleged killing of Kirk." I won't repost any of the quotes, but I will reference one I think you have read before, the one about wondering if a Black pilot was qualified. Others have claimed that the quote was not racist but only anti-DEI. I interpret it as racist. I am a far-left liberal. If you are a liberal, that means you and I agree on the fundamental political issues, but I extend that further than you presumably do. Yes, I agree that as many as 80% of US residents don't approve of trans people. I am far-left enough to believe that all people should be accepted as equals, not just the ones who think and act in a manner you approve of.
September 18, 2025Sep 18 42 minutes ago, WDSmart said: I don't think my views are only shared by a "tiny minority." I don't even think it's a minority. I don't believe the majority of US residents think Kirk was NOT an extreme right-wing activist. Being married (to a woman) and having children have nothing to do with misogyny. For example, you could be that but require your wife to remain in the house to do housework, and only come out accompanied by you. Having children could be considered her "duty." I'm not saying this is the case with Krik, but I'm just responding to your statement above. So you are making things up
September 18, 2025Sep 18 2 minutes ago, WDSmart said: I'm not a danger to you or your child. If you really thought I was, would you consider killing me? That's what I think was Robinson's motive. I NEVER said that any of Robinson's alleged beliefs JUSTIFIED his alleged killing of Kirk." I won't repost any of the quotes, but I will reference one I think you have read before, the one about wondering if a Black pilot was qualified. Others have claimed that the quote was not racist but only anti-DEI. I interpret it as racist. I am a far-left liberal. If you are a liberal, that means you and I agree on the fundamental political issues, but I extend that further than you presumably do. Yes, I agree that as many as 80% of US residents don't approve of trans people. I am far-left enough to believe that all people should be accepted as equals, not just the ones who think and act in a manner you approve of. Far left means crazy
September 18, 2025Sep 18 3 minutes ago, WDSmart said: believe that all people should be accepted as equals, not just the ones who think and act in a manner you approve of. Except you treat Kirk worse
September 18, 2025Sep 18 1 minute ago, Harrisfan said: 4 minutes ago, WDSmart said: believe that all people should be accepted as equals, not just the ones who think and act in a manner you approve of. Except you treat Kirk worse Why do you believe that? I hated Kirk's political and social position on most everything I've read and heard him say. That doesn't mean I think he should be treated any differently than anyone else, and definitely not killed. I respected his right to Free Speech, even though I cringed when I heard and read what he said. That was his right to say it, as much as I disagreed. I don't celebrate his assassination, and if Robinson is found guilty of killing Kirk, I would not object or be sad about that.
September 18, 2025Sep 18 38 minutes ago, WDSmart said: Yes, he probably also did have other leftist views, but I don't think any of them were a motive. Do you think it is possible that Robinson was influenced or radicalised in his trans and LGBT leftist views by Lance Twiggs? After all Robinson came from a conservative family and showed no signs of pro-Trans or leftist ideology until he started a relationship with Twiggs.
September 18, 2025Sep 18 1 hour ago, Cameroni said: There was a gun on the way down, it's on video. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean there was no gun. Having said that there are people raising doubts, saying Kirk was shot from behind, that Robinson is just a "patsy". But where is the evidence for this? And why would Robinson take the death penalty as a "patsy"? Doesn't make sense on the facts, does it? There was no gun with the person in the pictures in the stairwell going up. When did the gun get to the roof?? They have cctv everywhere and would be able to show it. There was also no gun with the man leaving from the roof. There is nothing in any of the videos that shows a gun with him that I've seen. That gun recovered in the woods can not be broken down quickly and would not fit in the back pack if broken down. I never said he was a patsy but he may have been duped into participating without knowing his role.
September 18, 2025Sep 18 4 minutes ago, Dan O said: There was no gun with the person in the pictures in the stairwell going up. The gun was hidden in his pants. See here 5 minutes ago, Dan O said: There was also no gun with the man leaving from the roof. Yes there was. The video is grainy and not clear, but there was. 6 minutes ago, Dan O said: That gun recovered in the woods can not be broken down quickly a Watch that video above, it can be done in 35 seconds or less. 6 minutes ago, Dan O said: and would not fit in the back pack if broken down. That's true, which is the reason why he had a towel. Watch the video of him climbing down, there is a long object wrapped in a towel. 8 minutes ago, Dan O said: I never said he was a patsy but he may have been duped into participating without knowing his role. He was the shooter, DNA evidence on the trigger, towel and screwdriver. So he must have known what he was doing.
September 18, 2025Sep 18 15 minutes ago, Cameroni said: Do you think it is possible that Robinson was influenced or radicalised in his trans and LGBT leftist views by Lance Twiggs? After all Robinson came from a conservative family and showed no signs of pro-Trans or leftist ideology until he started a relationship with Twiggs. Well, I don't know for sure, but since Twiggs has been so cooperative with the investigation, I don't think she radicalized Robinson. She certainly did influence him, but maybe just because she was a trans woman, and Robinson knew Kirk had been speaking out against trans rights. Yes, he came from a conservative family, so I think whenever he realized he was gay and started this relationship with Twiggs, he began to move toward more liberal ideas. I'm sure a lot of his conversion was a result of online sites and interactions.
September 18, 2025Sep 18 18 minutes ago, Dan O said: There was also no gun with the man leaving from the roof. There is nothing in any of the videos that shows a gun with him that I've seen.
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