50 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

Even better then!

 

No, Trump folded again. Total TACO. It's just a 100,000 application fee and nothing else. 

1 minute ago, John Drake said:

 

No, Trump folded again. Total TACO. It's just a 100,000 application fee and nothing else. 

No, Trump did not fold!

It was primarily a mix-up due to initial ambiguity in the September 19, 2025, proclamation, not Trump folding under pressure. The White House quickly clarified on September 20 (via Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt's X post and spokesperson statements) to calm corporate panic, but the core policy—a $100,000 one-time fee for new H-1B petitions—remains intact and effective September 21, 2025.

37 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

No, Trump did not fold!

It was primarily a mix-up due to initial ambiguity in the September 19, 2025, proclamation, not Trump folding under pressure. The White House quickly clarified on September 20 (via Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt's X post and spokesperson statements) to calm corporate panic, but the core policy—a $100,000 one-time fee for new H-1B petitions—remains intact and effective September 21, 2025.

 

Lutnick was standing in the Oval Office right next to Trump as he signed the EO and we were told several times that the 100,000 was for each year and it applied to renewals as well as new applications. If Democrats had any sense, which they don't, they would hop on this H1B issue and this alone would mean they would win the midterms. But they're in the pockets of Big Tech, too, and prefer foreign workers for less pay to Americans--good for their stock market trading in tech stocks. 

Just posted on FB?

 

2 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

No, Trump folded again. Total TACO. It's just a 100,000 application fee and nothing else. 

 

No doubt he got the call from business leaders and folded. It's such a slap in the face to send your kid to school only to be released into a highly competitive market where you're competing with foreigners from all over the world (mainly India). Imagine if they allowed that crap in Thailand or any country that actually cared about their own people.

Why I wonder do US employees look for take talent from overseas:

 

“The average reading and math scores of American high school seniors fell to their lowest levels in two decades in 2024, according to new national data released last week.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/sep/20/high-school-students-scores

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why I wonder do US employees look for take talent from overseas:

 

“The average reading and math scores of American high school seniors fell to their lowest levels in two decades in 2024, according to new national data released last week.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/sep/20/high-school-students-scores

 

It's a top-down problem. The teaching profession from grade 1 through university has degenerated into a situation where many faculty members haven't read a book since the day they themselves graduated. You can't expect the students to perform better than the instructors they have to teach them. And the corruption is rife, as exemplified by the ex-president of Harvard who plagiarized her published articles, few in number as they were.

 

That still doesn't make Indians a viable option. Indians with false credentials and fabricated degrees have flooded the program. The very basis of the program is built on fraud, nepotism, and bribery. Even a Harvard grad would be better.

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why I wonder do US employees look for take talent from overseas:

 

“The average reading and math scores of American high school seniors fell to their lowest levels in two decades in 2024, according to new national data released last week.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/sep/20/high-school-students-scores

 

It's a top-down problem. The teaching profession from grade 1 through university has degenerated into situation where many faculty members haven't read a book since the day they themselves graduated. You can't expect the students to perform better than the instructors they have to teach them. And the corruption is rife, as exemplified by the ex-president of Harvard who plagiarized her published articles, few in number as they were.

 

That still doesn't make Indians a viable option. Indians with false credentials and fabricated degrees have flooded the program. The very basis of the program is built on fraud, nepotism, and bribery. Even a Harvard grad would be better.

15 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

No doubt he got the call from business leaders and folded. It's such a slap in the face to send your kid to school only to be released into a highly competitive market where you're competing with foreigners from all over the world (mainly India). Imagine if they allowed that crap in Thailand or any country that actually cared about their own people.

Who cares about their own people? Thailand does? They care about women? They provide support for mothers?

 

2 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

That still doesn't make Indians a viable option. Indians with false credentials and fabricated degrees have flooded the program. The very basis of the program is built on fraud, nepotism, and bribery. Even a Harvard grad would be better.

 

People should compare the test scores in India to the US and break it all down by demographics  too since the US is flooded with illegal immigrants that do poorly in school.

 

There's no labor shortage of skilled people and in fact search for "US computer engineering graduates report a 7.5% unemployment rate" and ask why the graduates still can't find work and why tech companies are firing people and applying for H1Bs.

2 hours ago, angryguy said:

Who cares about their own people? Thailand does? They care about women? They provide support for mothers?

 

Nice try I'm talking about protecting the labor market. As bad as you think it is now it would be so much worse if they opened the flood gates with immigrant labor.

RESTRICTION ON ENTRY OF CERTAIN NONIMMIGRANT WORKERS

 

A PROCLAMATION

 

The H-1B nonimmigrant visa program was created to bring temporary workers into the United States to perform additive, high-skilled functions, but it has been deliberately exploited to replace, rather than supplement, American workers with lower-paid, lower-skilled labor.  The large-scale replacement of American workers through systemic abuse of the program has undermined both our economic and national security.  Some employers, using practices now widely adopted by entire sectors, have abused the H-1B statute and its regulations to artificially suppress wages, resulting in a disadvantageous labor market for American citizens, while at the same time making it more difficult to attract and retain the highest skilled subset of temporary workers, with the largest impact seen in critical science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) fields. 

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/restriction-on-entry-of-certain-nonimmigrant-workers/

 

 

 

I'm surprised that they don't eliminate this visa class and immediately deport the millions of foreigners who've stolen jobs from Americans.

 

Raising the fee doesn't address the issue of "job theft".

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

RESTRICTION ON ENTRY OF CERTAIN NONIMMIGRANT WORKERS

 

A PROCLAMATION

 

The H-1B nonimmigrant visa program was created to bring temporary workers into the United States to perform additive, high-skilled functions, but it has been deliberately exploited to replace, rather than supplement, American workers with lower-paid, lower-skilled labor.  The large-scale replacement of American workers through systemic abuse of the program has undermined both our economic and national security.  Some employers, using practices now widely adopted by entire sectors, have abused the H-1B statute and its regulations to artificially suppress wages, resulting in a disadvantageous labor market for American citizens, while at the same time making it more difficult to attract and retain the highest skilled subset of temporary workers, with the largest impact seen in critical science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) fields. 

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/09/restriction-on-entry-of-certain-nonimmigrant-workers/

 

 

 

I'm surprised that they don't eliminate this visa class and immediately deport the millions of foreigners who've stolen jobs from Americans.

 

Raising the fee doesn't address the issue of "job theft".

 

 

 

 

They should eliminate it. And the L1 visa too. 

2 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

I'm surprised that they don't eliminate this visa class and immediately deport the millions of foreigners who've stolen jobs from Americans.

 

Raising the fee doesn't address the issue of "job theft".

 

 

It's such an obvious fraud and in no way defensible. Just recently Microsoft did a round of layoffs and then applied for more visas but they insist there's no relation.

 

Of course they're such a strong lobby the government continues to fold for them just like Trump did and the propaganda machine is always at work trying to convince you there's no other way and America simply couldn't function without them.

 

"Microsoft says H-1B visas, layoffs ‘in no way’ related"

 

https://www.cfodive.com/news/microsoft-says-h1-b-visas-layoffs-unrelated-immigration/754255/

3 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

They should eliminate it. And the L1 visa too. 

 

Heck, throw in H-2A as well, right?

 

 

3 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

It's such an obvious fraud and in no way defensible. Just recently Microsoft did a round of layoffs and then applied for more visas but they insist there's no relation.

 

Of course they're such a strong lobby the government continues to fold for them just like Trump did and the propaganda machine is always at work trying to convince you there's no other way and America simply couldn't function without them.

 

"Microsoft says H-1B visas, layoffs ‘in no way’ related"

 

https://www.cfodive.com/news/microsoft-says-h1-b-visas-layoffs-unrelated-immigration/754255/

 

From Grok: 

 

Raw Numbers

Since Satya Nadella became CEO in February 2014, Microsoft has hired approximately 35,000 more employees of Indian origin (all Indians, including those in India and Indian-origin employees globally).

 

2014 baseline: Around 6,500 Indian employees (primarily based on contemporary estimates from Quora and industry reports, as Microsoft's diversity reports from that era did not break out specific nationalities beyond broad U.S. racial categories).

 

2025 current: Approximately 41,500 Indian employees. This includes:

Over 20,000 employees in India (per Microsoft's official site and recent announcements).

Around 21,500 Indian-origin employees in the U.S. (calculated from 2024 diversity report data: 36.4% Asian representation in the U.S. core workforce of ~126,000 employees, with 65.9% of Asians self-identifying as South Asian/Indian sub-group, yielding ~29,900 Asians and ~19,700 South Asians; adjusted upward ~10% for broader Microsoft and non-U.S. Indian diaspora based on growth trends).

 

This net increase accounts for overall workforce expansion (from ~128,000 total employees in 2014 to 228,000 in 2025), hires, and attrition, with significant growth in India's operations (from ~5,000 in 2014 to over 20,000 today).

 

Percentage Terms

The number of Indian employees has increased by approximately 538% since 2014 (from 6,500 to 41,500).

This outpaces the overall Microsoft workforce growth of ~78% over the same period.

As a share of total employees, Indians represented ~5.1% in 2014 but ~18.2% in 2025, reflecting a disproportionate rise driven by expansion in India and U.S. hiring of Indian-origin talent (South Asians now ~15.7% of U.S. employees via the Asian category).

6 minutes ago, bamnutsak said:

 

Heck, throw in H-2A as well, right?

 

 

 

Yes. Because it will soon become irrelevant as automation and robotics move into agricultural planting and harvesting. It's already happening now. In fact, in the past, USAID used to provide assistance for agricultural automation but only to Central America. 

8 minutes ago, John Drake said:

The number of Indian employees has increased by approximately 538% since 2014 (from 6,500 to 41,500).

This outpaces the overall Microsoft workforce growth of ~78% over the same period.

 

 

Most Americans haven't lived overseas and they don't understand ethnic nepotism. This is a huge part of the problem we face. If you ask them they would conclude it must be because they're simply better and deserve it but that's only because they don't know about this entire other factor.

The H-1B visa has become a means of importing low-cost labor for businesses in the USA.  I've worked with H-1B visa workers over the past 25 years, and a large percentage of them are average at best.  Does anyone remember when Disney was trying to replace all the native born workers with cheaper workers from abroad? 

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/lawsuits-claim-disney-colluded-to-replace-us-workers-with-immigrants/

5 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

Most Americans haven't lived overseas and they don't understand ethnic nepotism. This is a huge part of the problem we face. If you ask them they would conclude it must be because they're simply better and deserve it but that's only because they don't know about this entire other factor.

I've seen it first hand in the IT field.  Once the Indians get their nose under the tent and take over.  All they hire is fell Indians.  of course they must be from the proper caste. 

2 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

The H-1B visa has become a means of importing low-cost labor for businesses in the USA.  I've worked with H-1B visa workers over the past 25 years, and a large percentage of them are average at best.  Does anyone remember when Disney was trying to replace all the native born workers with cheaper workers from abroad? 

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/lawsuits-claim-disney-colluded-to-replace-us-workers-with-immigrants/

 

More from Grok on the above figures.

Metric	2014 Baseline	2025 Current	Increase (Raw)	Increase (%)
Total Indian Employees	~6,500	~41,500	+35,000	+538%
As % of Total Workforce	~5.1%	~18.2%	N/A	+13.1 pts

These figures are derived from Microsoft's annual Global Diversity & Inclusion Reports (e.g., 2024 report for sub-ethnic breakdowns), historical Statista data on total employees, and corroborated estimates from Wikipedia, Quora (for 2014), and Microsoft's India site. Note: Exact "hired" counts are net of attrition; gross hires would be higher, but net growth addresses the query's intent. Microsoft's reports emphasize U.S. racial data (where "Asian" proxies for Indian-origin), with global/India specifics added in recent years.

6 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

The H-1B visa has become a means of importing low-cost labor for businesses in the USA.  I've worked with H-1B visa workers over the past 25 years, and a large percentage of them are average at best.  Does anyone remember when Disney was trying to replace all the native born workers with cheaper workers from abroad? 

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/lawsuits-claim-disney-colluded-to-replace-us-workers-with-immigrants/

 

Indian IT workers always claim that they deserve these jobs because they're smarter. But if they're smarter, why did Americans need to train them in the first place???

Deleted double post. Why is this site always doing that?

16 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why I wonder do US employees look for take talent from overseas:

 

“The average reading and math scores of American high school seniors fell to their lowest levels in two decades in 2024, according to new national data released last week.”

 

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2025/sep/20/high-school-students-scores

That was due to the Dems COVID lock down. 

On 9/20/2025 at 12:45 PM, gargamon said:

Another nail in the American coffin.

 

Without the foreign brains, the US advantage will collapse. I worked in silicon valley for a few years. Lots of smart people.  The really smart ones were never American.

No really...

4 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Indian IT workers always claim that they deserve these jobs because they're smarter. But if they're smarter, why did Americans need to train them in the first place???

 

It's no wonder people talk about the great replacement theory.  

On 9/20/2025 at 4:53 AM, bannork said:

 

Tahmina Watson, a founding attorney at Watson Immigration Law, told the BBC that the ruling could be a "nail in the coffin" for many of her clients that are mostly small businesses and start-ups.

 

"Almost everyone's going to be priced out. This $100,000 as an entry point is going to have a devastating impact," she added, noting that many small or medium-sized companies "will tell you they actually can't find workers to do the job".

 

"When employers sponsor foreign talent, more often than not, they're doing that because they have not been able to fulfil those positions," Ms Watson added.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2zk4l8g26o

 

 

They are going to lose their gravy train of fees.  

4 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Indian IT workers always claim that they deserve these jobs because they're smarter. But if they're smarter, why did Americans need to train them in the first place???

 

it's 18% now and will be 40% in another 10 years.  Before Americans ever wake up to this India will have been able to simply stroll in and take over an entire company and control the most widely used operating system in the world. This will end in disaster of course because despite India's massive population and alleged best engineers in the world, they have been unable to make any operating systems at all so clearly this is over their head.

On 9/20/2025 at 9:35 PM, JimHuaHin said:

I am sure many US businesses will be happy with this self inflicted wound.

 

It should not be long before people stop going to the USA for work, holidays, study, retirement, etc.

You have no idea what's happening in the USA.  

A ‘demoralizing' trend has computer science grads out of work — even minimum wage jobs. Are 6-figure tech careers over?

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/demoralizing-trend-computer-science-grads-103000049.html

 

But, hey.  Let's import more cheap talentless labor.