On 9/20/2025 at 3:52 PM, Tug said:

If I remember correctly during the felons first term I think he used Estonia as an example of not honoring an article 5 by nato saying the country wasn’t worth it…..obviously missing the whole premise of NATO…..not surprising trump being trump.yea that was early in the first trump debacle….I remember how we were all so shocked about him knifing nato in the guts…..it was before the betrayal in helinsky.sad 

I didn't know the US controlled NATO, I thought NATO voted on issues.

38 minutes ago, johng said:

GPS satellites are up there in space  not on anyone's jets

they can see/track all movements of anyone's jets  but we have not seen  evidence from this incident  as of yet.

 

A.K.A  Russia has been fighting the proxy war against NATO for a while now  but perhaps NATO has not unleashed the big guns yet.

No. A GPS device receives signals from satellites to determine its location.Without location data being generated and transmitted by the GPS device, there's nothing for the GPS system to track.

Turkey showed everyone how it should be done when it shot down that Russian fighter that went into its airspace a few years back... yes, lots of huffing-and-puffing beligerence and threats from the Kremlin, but nothing happened. However, no more Russian jets entered Turkish airspace.

The Kremlin and Putin only respects strength and a boatload of namby-pamby wishy-washy words from the EU and others etc. just won't cut it... expect more taunting/grey zone stuff from Ivan if a strong stance isn't taken.

 

Just now, Sir Dude said:

Turkey showed everyone how it should be done when it shot down that Russian fighter that went into its airspace a few years back... yes, lots of huffing-and-puffing beligerence and threats from the Kremlin, but nothing happened. However, no more Russian jets entered Turkish airspace.

The Kremlin and Putin only respects strength and a boatload of namby-pamby wishy-washy words from the EU and others etc. just won't cut it... expect more taunting/grey zone stuff from Ivan if a strong stance isn't taken.

 

Exactly.

Appeasers are living in a fantasy world that you can deal with Putin with just talking. 

I consider such people naive morons.

Looks like someone is listening to @Jingthing

 

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Exactly.

Appeasers are living in a fantasy world that you can deal with Putin with just talking. 

I consider such people naive morons.

So you legitimize attack first even you know this is a game both parts playing from time to time ?

 

what if a Nato plane or sub being fired at in their airspace or controlled water? A Us nuclear sub being sunk? 

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

So you legitimize attack first even you know this is a game both parts playing from time to time ?

 

what if a Nato plane or sub being fired at in their airspace or controlled water? A Us nuclear sub being sunk? 

Warn first.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Warn first.

What worries me, is this one way media and google searches, where there is not one single report of Nato violating Russian airspace and there 2 million hits on Russia violates Nato members airspace. 

 

Makes you wonder and think there is something off here. It is a massive campaign and propaganda where the mass public’s is formed in to accept the final results. Not different from every build up to bomb IraQ, Iran and other countries we want to target for various reasons. 

 

It is a war game with targeting propaganda and we know it, and it is an endless loop legitimate the continuously conflicts we see around us. 

 

I thought first it would be good to make a deal with Putin, but then they attacked, now I think we have to finish that war first, before we start a new one. 

Putin is obviously tangentially provoking NATO, in order to test its responses and reveal its weaknesses.

 

However, is it that smart? By revealing NATOs weaknesses, it also reveals them to NATO, and induce NATO to deal with them and reinforce itself.

 

Same as the Ukraine war allegedly made to oppose the extension of NATO and actually triggered a significant extension of NATO closer to Russian borders.