... The Left's dead hero celebrated on Wikipedia, ”George Perry Floyd Jr. (October 14, 1973 – May 25, 2020) was an African American man who was murdered by a white police officer in Minneapolis, Minnesota ,  during an arrest made after a store clerk suspected Floyd had used a counterfeit twenty-dollar bill, on May 25, 2020”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd

 

 

The Right’s dead hero celebrated on Wikipedia, “Charles James Kirk (October 14, 1993 – September 10, 2025) was an American right-wing political activist, entrepreneur, and media personality”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk

 

How heroes are framed based on the side of the political aisle they're on. A language opinion. How does Wikipedia’s wording frame  narratives?

 

They frame George Floyd  as a symbol of injustice, with his murder by a "white police officer" right off the bat, giving rise to a narrative of left leaning resistance, a martyred figure.

 

 

No murder label in the lead for Kirk though.  No framing of they murdered him for his words. Digging deeper , they frame him as a figure tied to “extremist” ideologies. It leans on left leaning sources , Media Matters and includes a link to a separate Christian nationalism article.

 

The Story is based on 2 Wikipedia reports

Just now, riclag said:

The Story is based on 2 Wikipedia reports

Look Flame Thrower. Of course the two accounts are complete opposites. Take the time to find out how a Wikipedia entry is created. 

 

Divisiveness is your only goal. A very sad state of affairs.

 

  

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Charlie Kirk's death, no murders, no riots,no looting,no fire's ,no assaults.

As long as its leftists that continue the violence then the pendulum swings further right. Peace is preferable to supporting terrorists and criminals

20 minutes ago, riclag said:

Charlie Kirk's death, no murders, no riots,no looting,no fire's ,no assaults.

But an onslaught by Government on civil rights and people being fired/harassed for expressing opinions and ‘hurty words’. 

36 minutes ago, angryguy said:

As long as its leftists that continue the violence then the pendulum swings further right. Peace is preferable to supporting terrorists and criminals

 Peace : Erika Kirk Forgave Her Husband's Killer.

 

Interesting.....we can now post threads based purely on wiki as a source?

 

Has this always been the case.

Charlie Kirk appears to me to have been an innocuous fellow, a sort of middle rate intelligence with a gift for gab. There's nothing wrong with that. But the martyr-making is obsessive and to be honest embarrassing. Even worse, however, has been Democratic and Left/Progressive responses, which have in many cases lionized the assassin and celebrated the man's death. That's beyond embarrassing. That's psychotic evil. And there is no comparison to George Floyd, a violent, career criminal whose death unleashed terror, killings, and arson all across the country.

2 hours ago, riclag said:

... The Left's dead hero celebrated on Wikipedia, ”George Perry Floyd Jr. (October 14, 1973 – May 25, 2020) was an African American man who was murdered by a white police officer in Minneapolis, Minnesota ,  during an arrest made after a store clerk suspected Floyd had used a counterfeit twenty-dollar bill, on May 25, 2020”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd

 

 

The Right’s dead hero celebrated on Wikipedia, “Charles James Kirk (October 14, 1993 – September 10, 2025) was an American right-wing political activist, entrepreneur, and media personality”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk

 

How heroes are framed based on the side of the political aisle they're on. A language opinion. How does Wikipedia’s wording frame  narratives?

 

They frame George Floyd  as a symbol of injustice, with his murder by a "white police officer" right off the bat, giving rise to a narrative of left leaning resistance, a martyred figure.

 

 

No murder label in the lead for Kirk though.  No framing of they murdered him for his words. Digging deeper , they frame him as a figure tied to “extremist” ideologies. It leans on left leaning sources , Media Matters and includes a link to a separate Christian nationalism article.

 

The Story is based on 2 Wikipedia reports

Ridiculous distortion. 🤣

 

Floyd was not a "hero", he was the last case in a long list of black people unnecessarily killed by police forces. 

2 hours ago, riclag said:

... The Left's dead hero celebrated on Wikipedia, ”George Perry Floyd Jr. (October 14, 1973 – May 25, 2020) was an African American man who was murdered by a white police officer in Minneapolis, Minnesota ,  during an arrest made after a store clerk suspected Floyd had used a counterfeit twenty-dollar bill, on May 25, 2020”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd

 

 

The Right’s dead hero celebrated on Wikipedia, “Charles James Kirk (October 14, 1993 – September 10, 2025) was an American right-wing political activist, entrepreneur, and media personality”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk

 

How heroes are framed based on the side of the political aisle they're on. A language opinion. How does Wikipedia’s wording frame  narratives?

 

They frame George Floyd  as a symbol of injustice, with his murder by a "white police officer" right off the bat, giving rise to a narrative of left leaning resistance, a martyred figure.

 

 

No murder label in the lead for Kirk though.  No framing of they murdered him for his words. Digging deeper , they frame him as a figure tied to “extremist” ideologies. It leans on left leaning sources , Media Matters and includes a link to a separate Christian nationalism article.

 

The Story is based on 2 Wikipedia reports

Wikipedia is basically a collection of opinions and whatever someone decides might be a fact.

Pretty well anyone can add their         ' facts'.

It's a bit like AI responses, no guarantee they are truthful.

Google shows AI response may contain errors in the fine print below the response.

Cannot rely on it for absolute truth.

Look at number of times something is added with the comment ' citation needed'.

Encyclopaedia Britannica it is not.

10 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Wikipedia is basically a collection of opinions and whatever someone decides might be a fact.

Pretty well anyone can add their         ' facts'.

It's a bit like AI responses, no guarantee they are truthful.

Cannot rely on it for absolute truth.

Look at number of times something is added with the comment ' citation needed'.

Encyclopaedia Britannica it is not.

Pretty much the same can be said of any social media forum, including this forum, though at least AN does have moderators.

7 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Pretty much the same can be said of any social media forum, including this forum, though at least AN does have moderators.

From what I can see Wikipedia is viewed as being above the common social media sites.

I think the difference is that people are now taking Wikipedia as a source of facts. 

Sadly the younger generation only really have the internet to find information, and that information can be very biased one way or the other.

Often see quotes from Wikipedia used to prove a point.

 

I often wonder how many people under 40 have been to a library. Or read any books at all.

4 hours ago, emptypockets said:

From what I can see Wikipedia is viewed as being above the common social media sites.

I think the difference is that people are now taking Wikipedia as a source of facts. 

Sadly the younger generation only really have the internet to find information, and that information can be very biased one way or the other.

Often see quotes from Wikipedia used to prove a point.

 

I often wonder how many people under 40 have been to a library. Or read any books at all.

I used to have a UK library card from about 10 I think. Then I joined the RAF and used either their library or the local library. I came out and from 1984 until 1991 I used local libraries. When I worked offshore I would buy s/h paperbacks form charity shops and return them and buy more.

 

I used to buy new and s/h paperbacks in Thailand until I moved to rural Kamphaeng Phet and came came across Ebooks. I am slowly editing my Ebook files down to one (Mobi) format. I have at least 7,xxx authors and possibly another 4,xxx to go.

 

I read them on my pc for about an hour most nights.

 

So I suppose I have been reading books for over 70 years now in various formats.

 

I also have upstairs about 3 suitcases of hard and soft back books  plus 2 bookcases of paperbacks that nobody wants or will read.

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But an onslaught by Government on civil rights and people being fired/harassed for expressing opinions and ‘hurty words’. 

Cool story bro. 

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But an onslaught by Government on civil rights and people being fired/harassed for expressing opinions and ‘hurty words’. 

It's magical that someone from the UK would bring up this topic.   Are you self aware? 

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But an onslaught by Government on civil rights and people being fired/harassed for expressing opinions and ‘hurty words’. 

Well that's only continuing the lefts lead and serves them right for instigating the "hurty words"  cancel culture.

Though I do think that Trump and co missed an opportunity to actually uphold the principle of free speech here. 

6 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Pretty well anyone can add their         ' facts'.

It's a bit like AI responses, no guarantee they are truthful.

 

There are quite a few Wiki pages  of which the subject of the

page themself can't edit the page to correct inaccuracies/blatant lies..labeled as conspiracy theorists,misinformation spreaders

fringe believers  etc etc etc..many of these  people were highly respected  and quoted  "experts" in their fields until they went off the reservation going against the latest thing  standing up for what they believe is true resulting in character assassination  as a lesson for anyone else thinking of stepping out of line. 

The comparison is flawed in my view Floyd was no hero he was a victim of police brutality one in a long string of colored victims…..more of a flash point or the straw that broke the camel’s back if you will.charlie Kirk was murdered by someone marginalized by the trumpist rhetoric of which he belonged it was a bad thing but in my view 2 very different things.what does remain the same is the OPs continued quest to plant the seeds of anger and division.hes one sad dude in my view.

11 hours ago, riclag said:

... The Left's dead hero celebrated on Wikipedia, ”George Perry Floyd Jr. (October 14, 1973 – May 25, 2020) was an African American man who was murdered by a white police officer in Minneapolis, Minnesota ,  during an arrest made after a store clerk suspected Floyd had used a counterfeit twenty-dollar bill, on May 25, 2020”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd

 

 

The Right’s dead hero celebrated on Wikipedia, “Charles James Kirk (October 14, 1993 – September 10, 2025) was an American right-wing political activist, entrepreneur, and media personality”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk

 

How heroes are framed based on the side of the political aisle they're on. A language opinion. How does Wikipedia’s wording frame  narratives?

 

They frame George Floyd  as a symbol of injustice, with his murder by a "white police officer" right off the bat, giving rise to a narrative of left leaning resistance, a martyred figure.

 

 

No murder label in the lead for Kirk though.  No framing of they murdered him for his words. Digging deeper , they frame him as a figure tied to “extremist” ideologies. It leans on left leaning sources , Media Matters and includes a link to a separate Christian nationalism article.

 

The Story is based on 2 Wikipedia reports

Do you understand that Derek Chauvin, a police office,  was convicted of the murder of George Floyd?

 

And are you seriously asserting that that Charlie Kirk wasn't a rightwing figure? That, in fact, that's what his whole shtick was about?  Let's wait until the pope beatifies him before treating him like an apolitical saint. 

 

And if anybody's doing editorializing, it's you, calling George Floyd a left wing hero. He's not commemorated for heroism. And given that the opening paragraph also mentions the $20 alleged theft, it's bizarre to claim that Wikipedia was painting him as a hero..

3 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

It's magical that someone from the UK would bring up this topic.   Are you self aware? 

Are you aware that Chomper Higgott is not actually a member of the government and is no more responsible for it's actions than you were for those of the Biden Administration? Or is OK to hold you responsible for what the Biden administration did?

8 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

It's magical that someone from the UK would bring up this topic.   Are you self aware? 

Actually he is aware that’s why he champions the good causes. my question to you is are you self aware and if so what’s your excuse for carrying water for the rhetoric that got Kirk killed?

4 hours ago, Tug said:

Actually he is aware that’s why he champions the good causes. my question to you is are you self aware and if so what’s your excuse for carrying water for the rhetoric that got Kirk killed?

He should worry about his own country first. 

 

Kirk was killed by the left.  

9 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Are you aware that Chomper Higgott is not actually a member of the government and is no more responsible for it's actions than you were for those of the Biden Administration? Or is OK to hold you responsible for what the Biden administration did?

He should worry about his own <deleted>ty country first. 

20 hours ago, riclag said:

... The Left's dead hero celebrated on Wikipedia, ”George Perry Floyd Jr. (October 14, 1973 – May 25, 2020) was an African American man who was murdered by a white police officer in Minneapolis, Minnesota ,  during an arrest made after a store clerk suspected Floyd had used a counterfeit twenty-dollar bill, on May 25, 2020”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd

 

 

The Right’s dead hero celebrated on Wikipedia, “Charles James Kirk (October 14, 1993 – September 10, 2025) was an American right-wing political activist, entrepreneur, and media personality”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Kirk

 

How heroes are framed based on the side of the political aisle they're on. A language opinion. How does Wikipedia’s wording frame  narratives?

 

They frame George Floyd  as a symbol of injustice, with his murder by a "white police officer" right off the bat, giving rise to a narrative of left leaning resistance, a martyred figure.

 

 

No murder label in the lead for Kirk though.  No framing of they murdered him for his words. Digging deeper , they frame him as a figure tied to “extremist” ideologies. It leans on left leaning sources , Media Matters and includes a link to a separate Christian nationalism article.

 

The Story is based on 2 Wikipedia reports

"They" murdered him?

 

You have evidence of a grand conspiracy?

 

One crazy guy shot him. Done. End of story. Go untwist your panties.

 

 

20 hours ago, marin said:

Divisiveness is your only goal. A very sad state of affairs.

The new word. Divisiveness. That's how they Justified the murder of Charlie Kirk. Any attempts to correct the lies and cure the hate spewed by the American haters, Trump haters, socialists and terrorists is now "divisive"

6 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

He should worry about his own country first. 

 

Kirk was killed by the left.  

Oooh, another guy who thinks he has his finger on some grand conspiracy.

 

One guy shot him. One. With your childish screen name, I'm not sure you can count that high, but try....One.

 

I don't see you caring about the righties who killed 27 Hispanics in a Walmart, 11 people at a synagogue in Pittsburgh, or any of the other righties who---according to a now-deleted FBI-DHS report---have been responsible for the majority of the political violence in the US, as well as terrorism, since 9-11.

Just now, Wingate said:

Oooh, another guy who thinks he has his finger on some grand conspiracy.

 

One guy shot him. One. With your childish screen name, I'm not sure you can count that high, but try....One.

 

I don't see you caring about the righties who killed 27 Hispanics in a Walmart, 11 people at a synagogue in Pittsburgh, or any of the other righties who---according to a now-deleted FBI-DHS report---have been responsible for the majority of the political violence in the US, as well as terrorism, since 9-11.

Just admit the guy who shot Kirk was a leftie.   You can do it. 

1 minute ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Just admit the guy who shot Kirk was a leftie.   You can do it. 

They can't, it goes against the lies they spew. Once they admit to one lie, their entire worldview is exposed

2 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Just admit the guy who shot Kirk was a leftie.   You can do it. 

The guy who murdered Kirk was is (when proven) was a guy raised in a deeply republican household who seems to be a homosexual and if true belongs to a tiny minority of people who have been singled out by the trumpist movement for violence and marginalization no more no less it’s the trumpist rhetoric that drove the killer to do what he did no more no less.its a tragedy brought on by divisive rhetoric no more no less.

18 hours ago, candide said:

Ridiculous distortion. 🤣

 

Floyd was not a "hero", he was the last case in a long list of black people unnecessarily killed by police forces. 

Wrong, he was a thug and died accordingly.