Well, well at last the UK govt is possibly going to introduce digital ID cards to reduce illegal immigration. But will they be required by all UK residents or is it based on citizenship? How will it affect UK citizens living in Thailand, particularly if they are maintaining a false residence in the UK to gain access to banking, enhanced state pensions and the NHS?

The British government is already aggressively using AI to sift huge amounts of data to detect fraud cases. The results-- widely reported in the media-- are pretty remarkable, with billions clawed back from would -be tax evaders and welfare cheats. A person defrauding the taxpayer by claiming to be resident in the UK for their state pension is a welfare cheat.

 

One of the things the AI does is sift any social media on the person and look at their bank accounts worldwide. The AI then notifies a tax inspector of unusual detections, such as a Facebook feed centred around Pattaya or large cash movements abroad. The data being processed far exceeds anything a human could perform.

 

The ID would make it even harder since presumably it'll allow the government to track movements of citizens exiting the country. But it all depends how aggressively it is linked to other services. 

9 minutes ago, Gaccha said:

A person defrauding the taxpayer by claiming to be resident in the UK for their state pension is a welfare cheat.

 

The person claiming state pension in Thailand is the one being cheated..as they receive no increase year on year  do you think that is fair ?

 

10 minutes ago, Gaccha said:

The ID would make it even harder since presumably it'll allow the government to track movements of citizens exiting the country. But it all depends how aggressively it is linked to other services. 

This digital ID scheme will be the death knell for all and any freedoms and rights..I can only hope it is a miserable failure  as it was for the war criminal Tony B Liar.

4 minutes ago, johng said:

 

The person claiming state pension in Thailand is the one being cheated..as they receive no increase year on year  do you think that is fair ?

 

This digital ID scheme will be the death knell for all and any freedoms and rights..I can only hope it is a miserable failure  as it was for the war criminal Tony B Liar.

I agree with you it isn't fair. It is discrimination.

5 hours ago, Card said:

Well, well at last the UK govt is possibly going to introduce digital ID cards to reduce illegal immigration. But will they be required by all UK residents or is it based on citizenship? How will it affect UK citizens living in Thailand, particularly if they are maintaining a false residence in the UK to gain access to banking, enhanced state pensions and the NHS?

ID cards will not reduce illegal immigration. If an ID card is essential they can and will be obtained from the dark web. I don't agree with that but there will always be a way to defraud the system if that is the intention.

5 hours ago, Card said:

Well, well at last the UK govt is possibly going to introduce digital ID cards to reduce illegal immigration. But will they be required by all UK residents or is it based on citizenship? How will it affect UK citizens living in Thailand, particularly if they are maintaining a false residence in the UK to gain access to banking, enhanced state pensions and the NHS?

Will affect old farts with a pension

Will not affect young studs that are not intending to return and not entitled to a pension 
 

5 hours ago, Card said:

How will it affect UK citizens living in Thailand, particularly if they are maintaining a false residence in the UK to gain access to banking, enhanced state pensions and the NHS?

 

It will make it extremely difficult... a UK private VPN  and   UK mobile SIM card may help for  while.

10 minutes ago, johng said:

 

The person claiming state pension in Thailand is the one being cheated..as they receive no increase year on year  do you think that is fair ?

 

 

Something expats know about prior to moving to Thailand. It's a choice. I agree, it's unfair, but there is a choice.

1 minute ago, Photoguy21 said:

ID cards will not reduce illegal immigration

 

Of course it won't   criminals  don't obey the law  to enter illegally in the first place and other criminals will employ them as cheap or worse slave labour.

 

Don't anyone be fooled by this dastardly scheme the reason there is high immigration is because they want a cheep and totally compliant labour force.

 

If Starmer wanted to stop illegal immigration he would have tasked the Royal navy (whats left of it) to patrol the channel and repel invaders.

12 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

I agree with you it isn't fair. It is discrimination.

It isn't as you are free to move back home to enjoy your full benefit.

Just now, Peter Crow said:

It isn't as you are free to move back home to enjoy your full benefit.

That argument is irrelevant. It is illegal to discriminate or so the law says but they do it frequently.

16 minutes ago, Jenkins9039 said:

Will affect old farts with a pension

 

Well the old saying   about first they came for the communists etc

comes to mind  eventually it will effect  even 'young studs'  who won't be young for ever  but it will be far too late ...  so resit it now..just say no.

37 minutes ago, Gaccha said:

it'll allow the government to track movements of citizens exiting the country.

like they can't do that already with passports?      utter rubbish

1 minute ago, Peter Crow said:

It isn't as you are free to move back home to enjoy your full benefit.

Yes and some free public transport, free tv licence, winter fuel allowance  free NHS    non of which is available in Thailand

pensioners living in Thailand are saving the UK taxpayers a lot of money by NOT  living there...also  your argument doesn't hold much water because  there are many other countries were the freezing of the pension  does not apply...why only Thailand ?

( and a few others I believe)

4 minutes ago, johng said:

 

Well the old saying   about first they came for the communists etc

comes to mind  eventually it will effect  even 'young studs'  who wont be young for ever  but it will be far to late ...  so resit it now..just say no.

Young studs living in Asia likely won't get a pension and not entitled to any form of benefits etc so unlikely to apply for digital ID to access things

1 minute ago, Jenkins9039 said:

Young studs living in Asia

Should think long and hard about burning all bridges with the UK.

IMHO

Mandatory to have a cell phone and have it always with you.

 

 

2 minutes ago, johng said:

Should think long and hard about burning all bridges with the UK.

IMHO

I intend to buy a new citizenship.

19 minutes ago, Peter Crow said:

It isn't as you are free to move back home to enjoy your full benefit.

Tell my why if you live in the Philippines you get the increases?

34 minutes ago, johng said:

 

The person claiming state pension in Thailand is the one being cheated..as they receive no increase year on year  do you think that is fair ?

 

This digital ID scheme will be the death knell for all and any freedoms and rights..I can only hope it is a miserable failure  as it was for the war criminal Tony B Liar.

Fair or not fair, lacks relevance. The fact is that almost everyone knows they lose the yearly increases. So, that is not a reason to commit fraud and break the law. Nobody is telling anybody to go live in Thailand if they can´t afford it the legal way.

Let´s talk real! The scheme is NOT a death knell to freedoms and rights. It´s only a death knell to people who break the law and commit fraud.

6 hours ago, Card said:

Well, well at last the UK govt is possibly going to introduce digital ID cards to reduce illegal immigration. But will they be required by all UK residents or is it based on citizenship? How will it affect UK citizens living in Thailand, particularly if they are maintaining a false residence in the UK to gain access to banking, enhanced state pensions and the NHS?

From 8 April 2015, we will collect information on passengers leaving the UK as we do for those entering.

 In 1998 embarkation checks were scrapped entirely.

Since 2004 the UK has moved to a more sophisticated approach to checks by starting to collect Advance Passenger Information (API) for both inbound and outbound air passengers. API includes the passenger’s full name, nationality, date of birth, gender and travel document number, type and country of issue.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/exit-checks-on-passengers-leaving-the-uk/exit-checks-fact-sheet#:

Government already knows date people have left the uk and the date that they re-enter

15 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Mandatory to have a cell phone and have it always with you.

 

 

UK # with roaming charges?🙃🙃

 

1 minute ago, Gottfrid said:

Let´s talk real! The scheme is NOT a death knell to freedoms and rights. It´s only a death knell to people who break the law and commit fraud.

I'm afraid you are one of those who will welcome the digital Panopticon with open arms...  very sad indeed.

 

As for the pension people have worked long and hard to pay into the 'scheme'  they should not be shafted in their old age  by obviously discriminatory policies  that only save a measly amount of money anyway...stop sending billions to Ukraine..there solved it.

 

16 minutes ago, FlorC said:

Mandatory to have a cell phone and have it always with you.

 

 

Black Mirror  Season 3 premiere "Nosedive," 

 

16 minutes ago, Jenkins9039 said:

I intend to buy a new citizenship.

Best of luck to you 👍

22 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

That argument is irrelevant. It is illegal to discriminate or so the law says but they do it frequently.

But there is no discrimination as there is one rule that affects everyone equally. I am not complaining that my pension is somewhat lower as I chose to be only 23 years in the system. Some people chose to live in a country where their pension isn't indexed. Who you are isn't relevant, your life decisions are, hence no discrimination.

3 minutes ago, Peter Crow said:

But there is no discrimination as there is one rule that affects everyone equally. I am not complaining that my pension is somewhat lower as I chose to be only 23 years in the system. Some people chose to live in a country where their pension isn't indexed. Who you are isn't relevant, your life decisions are, hence no discrimination.

The amount is not the issue. The issue is when increases are given in the UK and I know from friends in the Philippines everyone gets the increase but if you are in Thailand you don't get that increase. It should be for all or none.

27 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

The amount is not the issue. The issue is when increases are given in the UK and I know from friends in the Philippines everyone gets the increase but if you are in Thailand you don't get that increase. It should be for all or none.

Why? Nothing wrong as long a one knows which country is indexed and which isn't.  While everyone is free to move to an indexed country.

 

But better I stop talking about this, IMO there is no discrimination while I am painfully aware of the devastating inflation we have had for the past couple of years.

52 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

It should be for all or none.

It should be for all..for reasons I stated above  expats cost the UK less than if they stayed in UK

18 minutes ago, Peter Crow said:

IMO there is no discrimination

IMHO there is and it stinks...the money 'saved' is a pittance in the scheme of government expenditure   but it could mean everything to a struggling pensioner living in a country that does not get the update.

1 hour ago, Lucky Bones said:

UK # with roaming charges?🙃🙃

Wow. That would be expensive? Or only turn roaming on (say) once a month?🙃🙃

FYI those of you living in Thailand, but claiming to be in the UK/Other need to understand something, Thailand joined CRS, that means all your financial(s) are either sent as standard to the UK or are available (in-depth) on demand, so if anyone here is cheating the pension system/other you will end up being criminally charged at some point, this isn't human driven its AI driven...