21 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

people who took the jab survived. 

As did those that didn't. Point is people were given the option of the jab or your job. This is the definition of coercion.

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

As did those that didn't.

The fat ones who got COIVD died.  I know someone whose fat wife died from COVID.   The shot probably would saved her life. 

 

an Axios article reported that about 78 % of people who were hospitalized, placed on a ventilator, or died from COVID-19 were overweight or obese (i.e. overweight or obese) in the U.S.

 

https://www.axios.com/2021/03/09/bmi-obesity-severe-risk-factors-covid-19-cdc?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

Higher body mass index is strongly linked to poor outcomes in adult COVID‐19 hospitalizations: A National Inpatient Sample Study

 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10804336/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

Vaccine effectiveness in obese people

• Multiple studies showed that mRNA vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna) and viral vector vaccines (J&J) significantly reduced risk of severe COVID‑19 outcomes in obese adults.

• While antibody levels may have been slightly lower in obese individuals, protection against hospitalization and death remained strong.

• Example: A U.S. study (2021) found vaccine effectiveness against hospitalization in obese adults was ~90%, similar to non-obese adults.

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

an Axios article reported that about 78 % of people who were hospitalized, placed on a ventilator, or died from COVID-19 were overweight or obese (i.e. overweight or obese) in the U.S.

Duh. Of course. 78% of the US population is overweight or obese...

Your statistics are useless...again...

27 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Could you please point out where the doomsayer provided any evidence in the link you shared?

https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/dr-bhakdi-mrna-vaccines-as-the-greatest

 

> Implications for the PREP Act, i.e. the legal shield protecting vax-manufacturers from liability.

Here’s the critical breakdown:

1. The Fall of the Shield: The Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness (PREP) Act provides liability immunity to vaccine makers. Bhakdi contends that by officially withdrawing the recommendation for the majority of the population (the young and healthy), the legal basis for this protection “has now fallen away.”

2. The Coming Reckoning: Without this liability shield, the first wave of massive lawsuits in America is imminent. Anyone who dares to vaccinate a healthy child or young person against official guidance will be exposed. If injury or death occurs, the pathway to sue for damages is now open.

3. The Burden of Proof FLIPS: This is the most crucial point. Bhakdi states that in cases of life-threatening injury or death from vaccination, a “right of return” is triggered. This means the pharmaceutical industry would be forced into a position where THEY must prove the vaccine did not cause the harm.

1 minute ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

> Implications for the PREP Act, i.e. the legal shield protecting vax-manufacturers from liability.

Here’s the critical breakdown:

1. The Fall of the Shield: The Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness (PREP) Act provides liability immunity to vaccine makers. Bhakdi contends that by officially withdrawing the recommendation for the majority of the population (the young and healthy), the legal basis for this protection “has now fallen away.”

2. The Coming Reckoning: Without this liability shield, the first wave of massive lawsuits in America is imminent. Anyone who dares to vaccinate a healthy child or young person against official guidance will be exposed. If injury or death occurs, the pathway to sue for damages is now open.

3. The Burden of Proof FLIPS: This is the most crucial point. Bhakdi states that in cases of life-threatening injury or death from vaccination, a “right of return” is triggered. This means the pharmaceutical industry would be forced into a position where THEY must prove the vaccine did not cause the harm.

None of these prove the world is doomed.  

38 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

...

I don't really want to take sides on Covid. I don't know exactly why they did what they did.

The hell do I know.

...

... and so I am repeating what the mainstream media are spouting.  

And my memory is so short that I didn't notice how many times they had to change their story when evidence of the contrary became untenable.

Gosh.   I sure hope the guy's wrong. 

 

But we just injected a genetic experiment into the majority of the world's population without having any data about long term effects.  And so far, a lot of the basis of trust in those injections is falling away as it turns out that the injections don't stay in your arm, do get into your organs, last a long time, and may cause changes to DNA. 

 

None of which was supposed to happen.  I wonder what else they got wrong?

 

I'd characterize that as a big ass danger to humanity. It'll be a couple of generations before we know for sure.

 

11 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

... and so I am repeating what the mainstream media are spouting.  

And my memory is so short that I didn't notice how many times they had to change their story when evidence of the contrary became untenable.

 

Covid is a very complex situation and I don't think anyone fully understands exactly what it was all about.

I realize the official narrative is "off."

But that doesn't mean they are trying to kill everyone.

 

Just based on the type of language being used .... "Covid jab is the greatest threat to humanity" suggests propaganda to me, exaggeration, and the anti-vax movement itself may have a hidden political agenda and should not be trusted too easily. It seems like most of the anti-vax stuff is fear mongering with a political agenda behind it . 

 

Let's compare different drugs:

 

Antibiotics: They can cause harm. And if used too frequently, can lead to bugs being resistant and killing us all. But when you have a serious infection, you might die if you don't take them. And then, if you do take them, it will take the body's gut microbiome a long time to heal. So you can't say that medical interventions are inherently "bad". They can cause problems, but the body also has the ability to regenerate itself. So antibiotics can cause some harm, but when taken sparingly, not serious. And sometimes are needed. 

 

I just watched another video where the doctor is talking about a medication that has been linked to dementia. So yes, a lot of Big Pharma meds can cause serious side effects. However, keep in mind that most of these meds are taken by people over many many years, often decades. You won't get dementia from popping one pill. 

 

So where does the Covid jab fit in? Was it really "necessary"? That's a tough one .... for argument's sake if Covid dangers were blown out of proportion, then the only thing I can think of is they are using us as guinea pigs for the mRNA technology ... which I mentioned several times is being tested for cancer, etc .....

 

So it is possible that Covid was a "guinea pig" experiment for this new mRNA technology ... and the Covid virus itself was an excuse. 

 

So in that sense, yes there could be a risk to the vaccine. 

But also keeping in mind that it has been developed for decades though .... mRNA has been developed for decades. So it was well tested on rats ... fingers crossed that rats respond the same way as humans ... not always.

 

So can one jab do that much damage? I suppose it could, but in the case of other meds, it's extensive use over long periods that cause problems. And again, given the rhetoric I suspect that most of the anti-jab stuff is fear-mongering. In the case of other vaccines, it appears the connection to autism was based on fraudulent research and Andrew Wakefield has his own hidden agenda. 

 

Sorry, that's all I got. 

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Covid is a very complex situation and I don't think anyone fully understands exactly what it was all about.

I realize the official narrative is "off."

But that doesn't mean they are trying to kill everyone.

But they might be trying to stop women from reproduction.

And they gave us little choice but to take it, no travel, no entering shops, no ability to work if you didn't take it.

No Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, you are confusing mRNA vaccines with Donald Trump, that is the danger.

Just now, JimHuaHin said:

No Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi, you are confusing mRNA vaccines with Donald Trump, that is the danger.

 

God, I hope Pfizer comes up with a vaccine for the Syndrome.  

 

 

10 hours ago, BritManToo said:

But they might be trying to stop women from reproduction.

 

Elon Musk is going around telling people to have more children. 

 

He believes the earth can handle 10s of billions more people.

And if we colonize Mars ...  possibilities are endless.

 

 

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

He believes the earth can handle 10s of billions more people.

Only the right kind of people, which isnt happening currently

10 hours ago, angryguy said:

Only the right kind of people, which isnt happening currently

 

What do you mean "right kind"? 

 

Just now, save the frogs said:

 

What do you mean "right kind"? 

 

The intelligent kind that would progress humankind. They are choosing not to reproduce

Dr Bahkdi is on the right track. But if you analyze the scenario deeper, the vaccine did not inject itself into the person.  Therefore less blame can be applied to it.

 

The focus should be in the unseen realm.  First a set of beliefs was advertised to create fear in those without mental strength.  This led to the person believing in and approving the doctor's recommendation to vaccinate leading to the catastrophe playing out before our eyes.

 

And it just so happens that the Holy Bible explicitly warns us not to mutilate our own body at the recommendation of witch doctors and their sorceries.  And to avoid their magic potions.

 

My opinion is that this is a spiritual battle playing out.  Beliefs are located in the unseen realm but play out in the physical world.  Mental weakness and allowing poisonous beliefs into your brain is the greatest danger to humanity.  Had the population been mentally strong nobody would have accepted the balony.

 

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

But they might be trying to stop women from reproduction.

And they gave us little choice but to take it, no travel, no entering shops, no ability to work if you didn't take it.

You greatly exaggerated the restrictions on the mobility of the unvaccinated.  Very few countries had a ban on the non-vaccinated.  Many of the countries that did ban the unvaccinated also banned vaccinated foreigners. 

 

I don't recall hearing about any stores insisting on vaccination before entry here or in North America.  Masking was often required but vaccination was NOT.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travel_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic

 

7 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

You greatly exaggerated the restrictions on the mobility of the unvaccinated.  Very few countries had a ban on the non-vaccinated.  Many of the countries that did ban the unvaccinated also banned vaccinated foreigners. 

 

I don't recall hearing about any stores insisting on vaccination before entry here or in North America.  Masking was often required but vaccination was NOT.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travel_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic

 

My pal was in Oman, no entry to shops without vaccine cert.

Was asked to leave car showroom.

 

France no entry to shopping malls or Supermarkets without vaccine cert.

 

USA nurses sacked if not vaccinated.

7 hours ago, BritManToo said:

But they might be trying to stop women from reproduction.

And they gave us little choice but to take it, no travel, no entering shops, no ability to work if you didn't take it.

 

17 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

You greatly exaggerated the restrictions on the mobility of the unvaccinated.  Very few countries had a ban on the non-vaccinated.  Many of the countries that did ban the unvaccinated also banned vaccinated foreigners. 

 

I don't recall hearing about any stores insisting on vaccination before entry here or in North America.  Masking was often required but vaccination was NOT.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Travel_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic

 

 

14 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

My pal was in Oman, no entry to shops without vaccine cert.

Was asked to leave car showroom.

 

France no entry to shopping malls or Supermarkets without vaccine cert.

 

USA nurses sacked if not vaccinated.

So in other words.... I was correct.   Thank you.