15 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Then please show me where it was said and its context.  One person has already attempted to present a statement out of context.

 

In response to your request Blazemaster posted 2 short clips of Biden, and there can be absolutely no confusion that he was talking out of his back-side...

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

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You must have a speed posting string for your favorite phrase on your computer!

 

Says the person posting in a COVID thread... again!

 

8 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2021/05/04/pfizer-ceo-no-variant-identified-so-far-that-escapes-our-vaccine-protection.html

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Says the person posting in a COVID thread... again!

 

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1 hour ago, cjinchiangrai said:

I got vaccinated, because that is what is needed to fight the disease.

Healthy people have the ability to fight off the virus without being injected with an experimental mRNA "vaccine" especially now it's evolved into the Omicron variant.

1 minute ago, cmsally said:

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2021/05/04/pfizer-ceo-no-variant-identified-so-far-that-escapes-our-vaccine-protection.html

 

Here a screenshot of that CNBC interview with Pfizer CEO, Albert 'Pinocchio' Bourla

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Healthy people have the ability to fight off the virus without being injected with an experimental mRNA "vaccine" especially now it's evolved into the Omicron variant.

The graveyards suggest otherwise.

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Irrelevant? This is insane. Of course it's relevant. It was man made using gain of function. How can this be irrelevant?

Man made!? So we are now led to believe.

 

We had bats. The wet market. Hunter's laptop was Russian dis/mis/mal information. The Wuhan 5G roll out. Labs in Ukraine. Then, after much arm twisting, the truth emerged. There were no Epstein files after all. It was gain of function.

 

All there to obfuscate and confuse.

5 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

In response to your request Blazemaster posted 2 short clips of Biden, and there can be absolutely no confusion that he was talking out of his back-side...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So you found an instance where Biden misspoke, as opposed to Trump and his political career long penchant for uttering blatant falsehoods.

 

Biden had the right general idea. He just overstated and generalized the claim -- something politicians in general tend  to do:

 

--AI assisted

8 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Here a screenshot of that CNBC interview with Pfizer CEO, Albert 'Pinocchio' Bourla

 

Which was true back in May 2021 when Bourla made the above statement, just a few months after the rollout of his company's COVID vaccines.

 

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

So you found an instance where Biden misspoke, as opposed to Trump and his political career long penchant for uttering blatant falsehoods.

 

Biden had the right general idea. He just overstated and generalized the claim -- something politicians in general tend  to do:

 

--AI assisted

 

12 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Healthy people have the ability to fight off the virus without being injected with an experimental mRNA "vaccine"

 

Which of course, it isn't... despite your repeated nonsense claims.

 

"The vaccines are not experimental. They have undergone months of clinical testing; data shows they are both safe and effective; and they have been safely administered to hundreds of millions of Americans."

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jan/24/facebook-posts/covid-19-vaccines-do-not-contain-graphene-are-not-/

 

"A woman in the video claims the COVID-19 vaccine “is an experimental injection” that “hasn’t had phase three trials” (timestamp 0.40). This is false.

 

All vaccines approved in the UK completed large phrase-three studies to gather significant data of the vaccine’s safety and efficacy, as outlined by Oxford University’s Vaccine Knowledge Project (here). The results of these trials can be found online: for Pfizer/BioNTech (here), Moderna (here) and Oxford/AstraZeneca (here).

 

Reuters has previously addressed untrue claims the vaccine is “experimental”, which misinterpreted standard safety monitoring following regulatory approval (here)."

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/no-evidence-covid-19-vaccines-will-cause-an-exponential-rise-in-deaths-idUSL1N2MM2B4/

 

 

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Which of course, it isn't... despite your repeated nonsense claims.

 

"The vaccines are not experimental. They have undergone months of clinical testing; data shows they are both safe and effective; and they have been safely administered to hundreds of millions of Americans."

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jan/24/facebook-posts/covid-19-vaccines-do-not-contain-graphene-are-not-/

 

"A woman in the video claims the COVID-19 vaccine “is an experimental injection” that “hasn’t had phase three trials” (timestamp 0.40). This is false.

 

All vaccines approved in the UK completed large phrase-three studies to gather significant data of the vaccine’s safety and efficacy, as outlined by Oxford University’s Vaccine Knowledge Project (here). The results of these trials can be found online: for Pfizer/BioNTech (here), Moderna (here) and Oxford/AstraZeneca (here).

 

Reuters has previously addressed untrue claims the vaccine is “experimental”, which misinterpreted standard safety monitoring following regulatory approval (here)."

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/no-evidence-covid-19-vaccines-will-cause-an-exponential-rise-in-deaths-idUSL1N2MM2B4/

 

 

Oh, Dr. Politifact 

49 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Then please show me where it was said and its context.  One person has already attempted to present a statement out of context.

How does it feel to be dishonest?

"The vaccines are not experimental. They have undergone months of clinical testing; 

 

Months !!!  🤣  it takes years and years to prove if a novel therapeutic is "safe and effective" 

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

...

 

"The vaccines are not experimental. They have undergone months of clinical testing; data shows they are both safe and effective; and they have been safely administered to hundreds of millions of Americans."

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/jan/24/facebook-posts/covid-19-vaccines-do-not-contain-graphene-are-not-/

 

 

Yep, a January 2022 'Factcheck' > you must be getting really desperate that you need to dig up such drivel...

3 minutes ago, johng said:

"The vaccines are not experimental. They have undergone months of clinical testing; 

 

Months !!!  🤣  it takes years and years to prove if a novel therapeutic is "safe and effective" 

Apparently not because nobody died from the vaccines.  

3 minutes ago, johng said:

"The vaccines are not experimental. They have undergone months of clinical testing; 

 

Months !!!  🤣  it takes years and years to prove if a novel therapeutic is "safe and effective" 

 

Try almost five years now, and 14 BILLION doses administered worldwide.... I believe that's the largest vaccine deployment in world history.  The real-world evidence is overwhelming.

 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8141326/

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Yep, a January 2022 'Factcheck' > you must be getting really desperate that you need to dig up such drivel...

 

Many many more.... the truth doesn't change over time, in this case:

 

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines were tested in clinical trials, aren’t experimental

 

03 May 2024

 

"Factually inaccurate: COVID-19 mRNA vaccines went through multiple stages of clinical testing to ensure their safety and effectiveness. As they’ve already cleared clinical trials, they’re no longer experimental. The trials and real-world data have also shown that COVID-19 vaccines are effective at reducing the risk of severe disease and death."

 

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/covid-19-mrna-vaccines-tested-clinical-trials-arent-experimental/

 

It's just anti-vax nonsense peddlers who tend to claim otherwise.

 

23 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

I am not anti-vaccine, but I never find it very convincing when the people selling something tell me how great it is. 

 

I still do not know anyone that died from covid, nor do I know anyone that got sick, much less dies from the vaccine.

As a former military and then government employee working overseas in many different areas, my shot record is several pages long and I still get annual shots (age 79) and I have only had COVID after two shots, which caused a minor sore throat for two days only.  For all those other diseases that I received over the many years, I never had any of those some of which were epidemic wide in the areas I was working/living.  My family also put up with all those shots my career needed me to take and they too never got any of the diseases.  I get my annual flu shot and haven't even had a cold for so many years, I can't even remember how long ago.  But, these new vaccines that possibly alter one's RNA or DNA, I worry about.  I did notice some change in my autoimmune system after the shots I got...now several years later that change seems to be going away but..who knows, I sure don't.

5 minutes ago, Presnock said:

As a former military and then government employee working overseas in many different areas, my shot record is several pages long and I still get annual shots (age 79) and I have only had COVID after two shots, which caused a minor sore throat for two days only.  For all those other diseases that I received over the many years, I never had any of those some of which were epidemic wide in the areas I was working/living.  My family also put up with all those shots my career needed me to take and they too never got any of the diseases.  I get my annual flu shot and haven't even had a cold for so many years, I can't even remember how long ago.  But, these new vaccines that possibly alter one's RNA or DNA, I worry about.  I did notice some change in my autoimmune system after the shots I got...now several years later that change seems to be going away but... who knows, I sure don't.

As a long time expat, I keep up with my shots as well, but I am not worried about the MRNA. I am looking forward to future developments in cancer and other maladies that have very prominent research underway.

1 minute ago, Presnock said:

As a former military and then government employee working overseas in many different areas, my shot record is several pages long and I still get annual shots (age 79) and I have only had COVID after two shots, which caused a minor sore throat for two days only.  For all those other diseases that I received over the many years, I never had any of those some of which were epidemic wide in the areas I was working/living.  My family also put up with all those shots my career needed me to take and they too never got any of the diseases.  I get my annual flu shot and haven't even had a cold for so many years, I can't even remember how long ago.  But, these new vaccines that possibly alter one's RNA or DNA, I worry about.  I did notice some change in my autoimmune system after the shots I got...now several years later that change seems to be going away but..who knows, I sure don't.

I have worked in six country and had any number of vaccines as well, and I never gave it much thought.

 

One big difference I see, is that all the other vaccines were for diseased that seemed to be much worse and or much more deadly than covid. I think the covid vaccines saved lives, but I think the risk to otherwise healthy people was way overblown. I had Phizer and a booster, and I've had covid several times with minor symptoms.

1 minute ago, cjinchiangrai said:

As a long time expat, I keep up with my shots as well, but I am not worried about the MRNA. I am looking forward to future developments in cancer and other maladies that have very prominent research underway.

 

1 minute ago, cjinchiangrai said:

As a long time expat, I keep up with my shots as well, but I am not worried about the MRNA. I am looking forward to future developments in cancer and other maladies that have very prominent research underway.

Yessir you got that right!  Have you read the two books by Dr. William Li about food research.  Cancer has been determined to be more of a lifestyle disease than heritary though some small percentage do get cancer through genes.  Meanwhile some people with known cancer genes don't get cancer, just like smoking causes cancer yet some smoke for their whole life and never get cancer.  Fat people have a greater chance of getting cancer while some fat people never get cancer.  It is not all completely clear but there are certain food that help notice I said help fight cancers of different types and Dr. Li a highly successful Harvard Heart specialist and now a well known food researcher continues with his research and other organization are following him and doing even more research into finding ways to help prevent and even cure cancers in many cases together with big pharma but in some cases better than the medicines to fight it.  The latest of course is Immunotherapy, the way to cure stage 4 cancers using one's own immune system together with modern technology.  It is being proven regularly now and is even available in Thailand if one meets the criteria.  Dr. Li's two books are available in Bangkok bookstores.  I have read and altered my diet a tad and hope to continue being cancer free (79 years old), I take no medicines and have not had a headache for over 30 years, no colds and never been seriously ill.  I eat well according to Dr. Li's books, exercise daily (core, strength, balance, and stimulate the heart daily for at least 90 minutes.  My BP remains in the "normal" range, with AM resting HR in the 50's.  I awake every morning without any aches or pains in my joints or muscles.  As well as eating, prevention of cancer can be enhanced with regularly exercise which has been proven.  I get daily healthnews letters from different sources and they all say the same story in the last couple of years as more and more research is being done with positive results.  The American "diet" IMHO causes more cancer than just about anything else.

32 minutes ago, Presnock said:

As a former military and then government employee working overseas in many different areas, my shot record is several pages long and I still get annual shots (age 79) and I have only had COVID after two shots, which caused a minor sore throat for two days only.  For all those other diseases that I received over the many years, I never had any of those some of which were epidemic wide in the areas I was working/living.  My family also put up with all those shots my career needed me to take and they too never got any of the diseases.  I get my annual flu shot and haven't even had a cold for so many years, I can't even remember how long ago.  But, these new vaccines that possibly alter one's RNA or DNA, I worry about.  I did notice some change in my autoimmune system after the shots I got...now several years later that change seems to be going away but..who knows, I sure don't.

Thanks for sharing your experience.  You wrote that you 'did notice some change in your autoimmune system after the (mRNA)-shots'.  There is a reason that I always refer to them not as vaccines but as 'vaccines' with apostrophes.  These mRNA-shots are gen-therapies, and in order to push them through the definition of what constitutes a vaccine and several related terms had to be changed.  

Considering your experience, "keeping up-to-date with your Covid-19 shots" by taking boosters is not indicated.

Note: Don't take my word for it, but talk to your doctor.  And surely don't go blindly on the advice of some AseanNow vax-pushers...

21 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

These mRNA-shots are gen-therapies

 

No, they're not. Peddling vaccine misinformation again:

 

Per the Associated Press:

No, COVID-19 vaccines aren’t gene therapy

December 23, 2022

 

"CLAIM: The COVID-19 vaccines “are a gene therapy, NOT a vaccine.”

 

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The COVID-19 vaccines do not change a person’s genes, as gene therapy does, experts say. The shots from Pfizer and Moderna use messenger RNA, or mRNA, to instruct the body to create a protein from the coronavirus. The Johnson & Johnson vaccine, meanwhile, uses a modified adenovirus to trigger an immune response."

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-covid-vaccines-gene-therapy-806280914802

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just now, Red Phoenix said:

Thanks for sharing your experience.  You wrote that you 'did notice some change in your autoimmune system after the (mRNA)-shots'.  There is a reason that I always refer to them not as vaccines but as 'vaccines' with apostrophes.  These mRNA-shots are gen-therapies, and in order to push them through the definition of what constitutes a vaccine and several related terms had to be changed.  

Considering your experience, "keeping up-to-date with your Covid-19 shots" by taking boosters is not indicated.

Note: Don't take my word for it, but talk to your doctor.  And surely don't go blindly on the advice of some AseanNow vax-pushers...

Yessir, after my two shots were finally approved here in Chiang Mai, I did get COVID but as I said only a mild sore throat for 2 days and then within a week I got HIVES. took some HIVES medicine, no effect on them at all, I never had any kind of food allergy for 75+ years so was shocked that I did get the HIVES.  After a month or so, I mentally was able to cut out the itching though the spots remained.  Then they kept reoccuring but maybe only affecting one arm or a spot on my back but spots did remain on my chest.  After 3 months it mostly went away but does occur sometimes but not in the past year.  I read on one of my health letters I get that some people like me had never had HIVES until after they had the mRNA vaccines.  I never got any subsequent COVID shots but I do wear a mask when interfacing crowds as some variants of the COVID continue here.  Life goes on, a surprise every minute almost in today's world.  Certainly glad to be here rather than in the US or any of the countries I have lived in during my past.  Best of health to you!

1 hour ago, Airalee said:

How does it feel to be dishonest?

Is this your way of admitting  something? It's not my fault, you are where you are. It's your own doing. 

2 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Is this your way of admitting  something? It's not my fault, you are where you are. It's your own doing. 

Dishonest and manipulative.

14 minutes ago, Presnock said:

Yessir, after my two shots were finally approved here in Chiang Mai, I did get COVID but as I said only a mild sore throat for 2 days and then within a week I got HIVES. took some HIVES medicine, no effect on them at all, I never had any kind of food allergy for 75+ years so was shocked that I did get the HIVES.  After a month or so, I mentally was able to cut out the itching though the spots remained.  Then they kept reoccuring but maybe only affecting one arm or a spot on my back but spots did remain on my chest.  After 3 months it mostly went away but does occur sometimes but not in the past year.  I read on one of my health letters I get that some people like me had never had HIVES until after they had the mRNA vaccines.  I never got any subsequent COVID shots but I do wear a mask when interfacing crowds as some variants of the COVID continue here.  Life goes on, a surprise every minute almost in today's world.  Certainly glad to be here rather than in the US or any of the countries I have lived in during my past.  Best of health to you!

 

How long after your covid inoculation did you have hives?

Were they diagnosed by a health professional as hives? 

Did you  show hives after your first or second dose, or after both?

3 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Dishonest and manipulative.

Frustrated you can't make your  bogus conspiracy claims stick?