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Thailand's EV Market Faces Consumer Protection Challenges

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6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Thought all EVs had traction control and ABS.

My NETA certainly does.

Every car has that.

But traction control and ABS doesn't prevent aquaplaning. they certainly help afterwards to regain control of the car, since the Atto3 is FWD, it's also easier to recover.

 

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1 hour ago, edwinchester said:

Hi, we have a Neta V too and range varies between 3.5 and 4 kms per 1% of battery which suits us fine as it's used mostly for the school run, 120 kms per day. Haven't noticed any drop in battery range in more than 100,000 kms of driving. Biggest downside has been Neta's much publicised financial woes with following production halt. It meant we had a 9 month wait for spare parts and repair after being rear ended last December. Luckily our car was still drivable. Like you I'm waiting for a better choice of ev pickups before getting one....will never go back to an ICE car, they make zero sense to me.

Happy with my Neta V, at 220kbht for a 2 year old car with 25k on the clock, complete bargain.

12 minutes ago, atpeace said:

I was upset but now don't worry at all.  It is a lovely car and the exterior has become a positive and not as ugly as I thought when I bought it.  I really could get by for 3 months if I had to without a car and with rare exception  anything could be fixed in that time frame. My wife's sister's family beats their Neta up with fast charging, accidents and repeated 150 miles trips daily.  No idea about the kilometers  because he somehow had them rolled back but my wild guess is 150k.  No issues in ~2 years of ownership.

Zero mechanical issues with ours too. Other than the accident it's been perfect and wifey loves how easy it is to drive.

15 minutes ago, atpeace said:

because he somehow had them rolled back but my wild guess is 150k

Thai technicians find a way for everything eh? I assumed it would be pretty hard to roll back odometer in modern car, I guess I was wrong. that also means the ECU of the Neta can also be modified and tuned. 

 

do they have the Neta with LFP of NMC battery?

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Happy with my Neta V, at 220kbht for a 2 year old car with 25k on the clock, complete bargain.

Yes the low kms second hand ones appearing on the market seem to be very good value.

12 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

Thai technicians find a way for everything eh? I assumed it would be pretty hard to roll back odometer in modern car, I guess I was wrong. that also means the ECU of the Neta can also be modified and tuned. 

 

do they have the Neta with LFP of NMC battery?

All cars can be clocked,

Best look at tire wear and accelerator wear along with carpet and seat condition to judge the mileage of a s/h car.

 

I was worried about all the CDU failures on Neta, but on the Facebook groups they all seem to be over 60k before they fail. Repairs to the CDU seem to be around 10kbht with a week turnaround, so not really a big problem.

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Just now, edwinchester said:

Zero mechanical issues with ours too. Other than the accident it's been perfect and wifey loves how easy it is to drive.

I have the stock shocks and tires many seem to hate. Compared to my Vigo this Neta is a dream to drive.  I'm sure more expensive cars are even better but I'm the simple type and wonder if I would even notice other than I would love to have 500 kilometer range. With luck this Neta will be the perfect bridge car to get me to the ideal EV.  500-1000 kilometer affordable cars are only years away.

13 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

Thai technicians find a way for everything eh? I assumed it would be pretty hard to roll back odometer in modern car, I guess I was wrong. that also means the ECU of the Neta can also be modified and tuned. 

 

do they have the Neta with LFP of NMC battery?

Manual says all have LFPs.

40 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

 

I can feel your pain, the laws in Thailand should definitely improve to protect the customers. I love EVs and want to see adoption, but the laws need to change.

on the good side you already saved a lot of money from Gas doing that 100,000 km of yours on the EV.

 

We've got a solar setup so the savings are very good, at least 11k per month for house and vehicle combined.

9 minutes ago, atpeace said:

I have the stock shocks and tires many seem to hate. Compared to my Vigo this Neta is a dream to drive.  I'm sure more expensive cars are even better but I'm the simple type and wonder if I would even notice other than I would love to have 500 kilometer range. With luck this Neta will be the perfect bridge car to get me to the ideal EV.  500-1000 kilometer affordable cars are only years away.

Agree,

Original tires and shocks, don't see any problems with either, drive is smooth and comfortable with little road noise.

Air-con not so good though, not cool enough on a sunny day.

7 minutes ago, edwinchester said:

We've got a solar setup so the savings are very good, at least 11k per month for house and vehicle combined.

Me too, my PEA bill under 400bht/month including car charging.

Something i have not thought about is driving over 100+ would shorten the range so much on an EV

It makes sense as with my Ice car driving around 120-130 average on roads which i usually set CC to 125kph my fuel economy is <deleted>e compared to staying at 95-100 but that feels so slow and very difficult to keep to when you need to get somewhere 5-600 k away

Luckily my wife wants one for Makro /Big C visits and will rarely use one to go further than an hour away so it will be ideal as i can floor it whenever i use it which is why i am wanting her to get the Seal.

 

5 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

Thai technicians find a way for everything eh? I assumed it would be pretty hard to roll back odometer in modern car, I guess I was wrong. that also means the ECU of the Neta can also be modified and tuned. 

 

do they have the Neta with LFP of NMC battery?

LFP they tell me. I asked but don't know how to confirm.  I have a 5 year old LFP battery on the roof that is shaded but definitely not ideal.  It is functioning like new other than a short caused by spider webs.  Most these LFP batteries in cars will still be around in 20 years (barring accidents ) and still have 50%+ of their original capacity. 

4 minutes ago, atpeace said:

I have the stock shocks and tires many seem to hate. Compared to my Vigo this Neta is a dream to drive.  I'm sure more expensive cars are even better but I'm the simple type and wonder if I would even notice other than I would love to have 500 kilometer range. With luck this Neta will be the perfect bridge car to get me to the ideal EV.  500-1000 kilometer affordable cars are only years away.

Same here regards the shocks and tyres. Original tyres have 105k on them with still some life left but I drive like the old man I am. Was going to replace the shocks just before our accident but not being able to open the rear hatch scuppered that idea. May do it now we've had it repaired but not in any hurry.

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Agree,

Original tires and shocks, don't see any problems with either, drive is smooth and comfortable with little road noise.

Air-con not so good though, not cool enough on a sunny day.

I'm not so good with heat and need airflow. If I have the blower at my feet of facing the windshield it sucks.  If directed at me, even in May, it is too cold at times set to 23 and 24 is too hot. 

5 minutes ago, edwinchester said:

We've got a solar setup so the savings are very good, at least 11k per month for house and vehicle combined.

This is what we are going to do

I have 2 ICE vehicles and when my wife gets her byd seal i am interested to see if i just take the EV rather than the Ice car especially if its been charged up fully on solar

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Me too, my PEA bill under 400bht/month including car charging.

Ours is a bit higher than that. Usually around 600 bht but we do about 4000 kms per month.

37 minutes ago, edwinchester said:

Yes the Riddara would be my choice right now but a choice of one isn't really a choice is it 555. It actually looks alot better in the flesh than in pics and the 4wd version is very tempting but I can wait a year to see what else appears.

The RD6 is really nice, as I peeked at one ... BUT ... strangely with 25% more battery than our ZS, you don't gain any range.   Which I find really strange.  Did they test it with a full cargo load or something, as the numbers don't make sense.

 

I would expect the same on the highway, since already rolling, and not stop/go, since it is heavier & longer, and usual pick up drag.  But that much less, that much extra battery doesn't make sense.

 

MG ZS NEDC range 403 (50kWh)

#s also agree with Thai dealer site

 

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5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Happy with my Neta V, at 220kbht for a 2 year old car with 25k on the clock, complete bargain.

You now have me looking at a Neta V as my son wants his first car and keeps asking if i am going to put a EV charger in our new house as we are having solar panels fitted soon
Anything to look out for on a Neta V and like you say for around 220k that is a bargain 
How long will it take to charge with a 7kw? charger i think i looked at fitting
He probably only will drive 50-100km a day maximum 

2 hours ago, kwak250 said:

You now have me looking at a Neta V as my son wants his first car and keeps asking if i am going to put a EV charger in our new house as we are having solar panels fitted soon
Anything to look out for on a Neta V and like you say for around 220k that is a bargain 
How long will it take to charge with a 7kw? charger i think i looked at fitting
He probably only will drive 50-100km a day maximum 

 

I have solar panels fitted on my house for about 3 years, it's a 5kW setup, producing 3-4kw during the day.

So, I used to charge my BYD using the 2kW charger or the 7kW mostly, and occasional 80kW fast charge at the PTT near by.

because I need to use about 40-50% daily, It has to be the 7kW charger.

If you want to save money the most, charge at low speed during the day.

 

BTW, I changed shock on the BYD atto3, not the Neta. I think the Neta has a decent stiff shock setup, the BYD was terrible soft and bouncy.

The Tein upgrade plus the Michelin PS5 225/50 makes the car handle pretty close to the BMW330e, it's like day and night change!

23 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Why ?

 

The news itself is quite vague and lacks any real info.  Would assume the same assurances from auto makes should applies to ICEV also.   Just a common sense thing, the govt's consumer protection agency should have already taken care of.   But .... TIT ... and not known for consumer protection as most 3rd world countries are not. 

 

Again, blip has little real info, what if anything is missing or needs to be done.  Why when buying any product, research and know their track record.   Just some of that uncommon common sense most shoppers don't have.  That's pretty, nice turning signal.  How many cup holders ... we'll take it.

 

We had almost 6 months to research our choice of BEV before delivery, though auto maker has been around for long time, with BEV experience.  Researched for months even before ordering.   

 

Happy with our choice and would probably make the same choice, though model has been replaced,  with same specs, and a tweak on styling.  Actually like the uniqueness of our better.

Here we go.....the Asian Now resident protagonist with his narcissistic mindset that the Duracell bunny cars are the best thing since...…..well everything. Especially the models he's bought, he's obviously easily pleased or maybe he just cannot face the fact that he's repeatedly fallen for the biggest automobile con ever.

17 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

 

I have solar panels fitted on my house for about 3 years, it's a 5kW setup, producing 3-4kw during the day.

So, I used to charge my BYD using the 2kW charger or the 7kW mostly, and occasional 80kW fast charge at the PTT near by.

because I need to use about 40-50% daily, It has to be the 7kW charger.

If you want to save money the most, charge at low speed during the day.

 

BTW, I changed shock on the BYD atto3, not the Neta. I think the Neta has a decent stiff shock setup, the BYD was terrible soft and bouncy.

The Tein upgrade plus the Michelin PS5 225/50 makes the car handle pretty close to the BMW330e, it's like day and night change!

Sounds excellent

Never thought about the Byd atto3

I have been looking at a few and also the mg zs ev 

The Neta sounded good at around 220k as I will buy that for my son 

Just trying to work out if the 7kw is what can be installed to the solar system and the 2kw is that a plug in mains version?

Might take all day/night but as he doesn't go far from his A/c room/netflix/playstation/gf I expect it won't matter

Wish I was 20 again.

 

Can a neta and all EV cars get charged with The 80kw fast charge ?

3 hours ago, kwak250 said:

You now have me looking at a Neta V as my son wants his first car and keeps asking if i am going to put a EV charger in our new house as we are having solar panels fitted soon
Anything to look out for on a Neta V and like you say for around 220k that is a bargain 
How long will it take to charge with a 7kw? charger i think i looked at fitting
He probably only will drive 50-100km a day maximum 

I have a 8A charger, and it charges at 5% (2kw) an hour, 100km = 12kwhr

So 6hrs for 100km. The higher the AC charge current, the more likely the CDU will fail.

I've also pulled the plastic engine cover off and charge with the bonnet up, and air blowing over the charge controller, keeping the temp at 35C. Allegedly the CDU failures are caused by the CDU repeatedly overheating due to no internal cooling when AC charging.

Don't know if it's true, but not much of an extra effort.

 

Driving the car is great, air-conditioning not so good on sunny days. No idea about DC charging, I've never used it.

1 hour ago, Cardano said:

Here we go.....the Asian Now resident protagonist with his narcissistic mindset that the Duracell bunny cars are the best thing since...…..well everything. Especially the models he's bought, he's obviously easily pleased or maybe he just cannot face the fact that he's repeatedly fallen for the biggest automobile con ever.

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Narcissist ... I enjoy helping people, does mean sharing personal experiences.

BEV, best thing, nah, solar is way cooler.  But BEV are better than any ICEV.

MG ZS is very practical and fits our lifestyle.  Simply a machine to go from A to B.

Far from easily pleased, and if driving a nice performing car for minimal cost, is being conned, then guilty as charged.

 

Anything else you need to know, or want to comment on from behind your keyboard :coffee1:

 

Surely there's another EV thread to troll in the future, so save those thought.

2 hours ago, kwak250 said:

Can a neta and all EV cars get charged with The 80kw fast charge ?

when I said 80kw, I actually meant to say the 88kW limit of the Atto 3 charging via DC (2+5 pin), only possible at large charging stations. 

PTT supports 120kW mostly, some stations may support more than than.

 

This is the maximum speed a car would charge when the battery is flat, if you are going to buy that S/H Neta, you should know the specs and model.

Because the first Neta models in the market came with NMC, the next generations was upgraded to LFP, which is the only sensible choice. NMC batteries loose capacity much quicker and should be avoided.

 

here are some charging speed list, using Claude

 

Tesla

  • Model 3 (all variants): 250 kW
  • Model Y:
    • RWD: 170 kW
    • Long Range AWD: 250 kW
    • Performance: 250 kW

BYD

  • Atto 3:
    • Standard Range: 70 kW
    • Extended Range: 80 kW
  • Dolphin: 80-100 kW (30-80% in 29 minutes)
  • Seal:
    • Dynamic/Premium RWD (61.4 kWh): ~110 kW
    • Premium RWD (82.5 kWh): 150 kW
    • Performance AWD: 150 kW
  • Sealion 7:
    • Standard variants (82.5 kWh): ~150 kW
    • Excellence AWD (91.3 kWh): 230 kW

Omoda

  • C5 EV: 80 kW (30-80% in 28 minutes)

MG

  • MG4 Electric: 88 kW (10-80% in 35 minutes)
  • MG ZS EV:
    • Standard Range: 76 kW
    • Long Range: 92 kW

Chinese made goods can be fine or pure crap. All seems to depend to which countries they are exported. 

 

Take the EV vehicle issue. Obviously the models being shipped to western nations or XXL consumer markets like India, will be fully checked and almost flawless. 

 

But for Thailand with all the corruption, who can say if the quality controls will be the same ? 

49 minutes ago, Sigmund said:

Chinese made goods can be fine or pure crap. All seems to depend to which countries they are exported. 

 

Take the EV vehicle issue. Obviously the models being shipped to western nations or XXL consumer markets like India, will be fully checked and almost flawless. 

 

But for Thailand with all the corruption, who can say if the quality controls will be the same ? 

Oh, you would be crying if you were in India or South America, even Brazil they are so expensive, 50% more than Thailand, they came up with the BYD Dolphin “mini “ which is the most ripoff  EV car any one could imagine, 55kw motor and 38kwh battery. And cost 721,000 baht for 4 seat car. Mind blowing ripoff , 🤣
 

Thailand is not that bad, so many choice and more coming. 
i just going to test drive the sealion 7 for 12 days. Hehe. 

On 10/7/2025 at 11:34 PM, KhunLA said:

AC uses very little, and TBH, not even worth mentioning.

 

Extremely hot days can harm an EV’s performance, too. Higher temperatures speed up the traveling ions, and at a certain point this sets off a cascade of unintended chemical reactions that can degrade battery components—including the electrolyte—over a car’s lifetime. When outside temps reach 95 degrees F (35 degrees C) and drivers crank up the air conditioning, driving range can decrease by 17 percent, the AAA report said.

 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/electric-vehicles-arent-ready-for-extreme-heat-and-cold-heres-how-to-fix-them/#:~:text=When outside temps reach 95 degrees F,by 17 percent%2C the AAA report said.

 

The hottest temperatures may cause EVs to use more energy to keep their batteries cool, which can reduce range. (You'll be just fine inside in the air conditioning.) Data from Recurrent, which analyzes electric-car battery health, shows EVs retain 95 percent of their range in temperatures of 90 degrees Fahrenheit or below. Above that temperature, range loss may be more noticeable.

 

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a61678587/how-is-an-ev-affected-by-hot-weather/#ev-range-may-fall-a-bit-in-high-temperatures

9 hours ago, kwak250 said:

You now have me looking at a Neta V as my son wants his first car and keeps asking if i am going to put a EV charger in our new house as we are having solar panels fitted soon
Anything to look out for on a Neta V and like you say for around 220k that is a bargain 
How long will it take to charge with a 7kw? charger i think i looked at fitting
He probably only will drive 50-100km a day maximum 

Have you looked at MG, BYD ,GWM some of their cars are Between B300-B400K

parts not an issue for them

Insurance not an issue and most offer Battery Warranty: 8 years  150,000-180,000 KM

compared to Neta V

 

15 hours ago, KhunLA said:

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Narcissist ... I enjoy helping people, does mean sharing personal experiences.

BEV, best thing, nah, solar is way cooler.  But BEV are better than any ICEV.

MG ZS is very practical and fits our lifestyle.  Simply a machine to go from A to B.

Far from easily pleased, and if driving a nice performing car for minimal cost, is being conned, then guilty as charged.

 

Anything else you need to know, or want to comment on from behind your keyboard :coffee1:

 

Surely there's another EV thread to troll in the future, so save those thought.

Your not helping anybody with your one-sided opinions, in fact the opposite is true. Most people will accept there's two sides to every debate and will accede to others points of view and accept them when facts are supportive. You on the other hand will not accept any person making criticising remarks against EV's, even with supporting facts. You'll even go to the far end of a f*rt posting manufactured figures to try and justify your decision to own an EV, and always protagonising about how the EV's you own or have owned can't be bettered.
Even here you cannot help yourself from stating "But BEV are better than any ICEV" that's again you're bigoted opinion that you cannot in all reality justify. 
If you really want to have a serious debate on this issue then it's not about cars per-se but rather motors and batteries vs a combustion engine.

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