This video examines how moral standards, media narratives, and political interests shape the conversation about Israel and Palestine, and why some questions are asked while others are not.

 

 

 

 

Not yet.......... the zeitgeist has to change before people come to terms with what was exacted on a largely innocent civilian population.

 

 

No.

Absolutely not.

Regardless of the blah blah history, any barbarian murderous bastards who did what they did at a music festival deserve everything that has come, and will continue to come to them.

Go for broke Israel. If you don't they will continue with what they have always done. 

From the river to the sea chant isn't about a boys weekend trip away, it's the total annihilation of Israel and the people.

Anyone who supports this is insane.

If the Islamic destruction of Israel is allowed to happen then you will be next.

Let that sink in.

The same people condemning Israel today were condemning Israel three years two years ago.

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The same people condemning Israel today were condemning Israel three years two years ago.

And will continue to do so. 

And welcome young muslim men of fighting age into their countries.

None so blind as he who cannot see.

Yes of course - why not ??

 

It's right to deplore and work against anti-semitism but the process would be a lot easier if we can all acknowledge that it is possible to be anti-Israel without being anti-semitic one jot ! Personally I am disgusted by the actions of the Netanyahu Govt. but I am not anti-semitic at all. It IS possible.

 

And that's not to defend Hamas at all !

 

Just now, TorquayFan said:

Yes of course - why not ??

 

It's right to deplore and work against anti-semitism but the process would be a lot easier if we can all acknowledge that it is possible to be anti-Israel without being anti-semitic one jot ! Personally I am disgusted by the actions of the Netanyahu Govt. but I am not anti-semitic at all. It IS possible.

 

And that's not to defend Hamas at all !

 

So where do you really stand?

Can't have two bob each way.

Empty - please read the post again. I think it's quite clear. Hamas' brutal Oct 7 was appalling and inhuman and Israel's counter action equally so - many Israeli too hold that view. The almost total destruction of Gaza and what's happened on the West Bank since, is a crying shame.

 

It's possible to be anti-Israel with being anti-semitic one jot. It's not about sides and were the participants Catholic, Muslim, Christian, I would write the same . . . .

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

The same people condemning Israel today were condemning Israel three years two years ago.

Based on their history yes, there is no freepass for being evil even you almost was wiped out from earth. 

10 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

largely innocent

 

 

 

Curious language. So some of the victims were not innocent?

 

We can criticise the Israeli government, and its generally incompetant ministers who are acting mostly out of political ambition. Remember, its an unstable coalition mixing some mainstream politicians with essentially fruitloops. For some, the atrocities of October 2022 was a casus belli.

 

The IDF has, frankly, made a pigs ear of things, adopting Assad like levels of mass destruction, without achieving its desired objective (the elimination of Hamas). They know the Israeli government, and by extension, the taxpayer, will be picking up the tab for all of this (not only the cost of munitions and subsequent replacement purchases) but also the postwar costs; if they pick up the tab to reconstruct Gaza, thereis a cost. If they don't, and just let Gazans rot in the ruins, there will be another cost, likely much much higher, of continued conflict, perhaps of an even more horrific nature as sides descend into a bloodbath of depravity.

 

The new IDF, unlike the courageous and admirable IDF of the past, has become risk adverse. The stories of automated M113 APCs being used as mobile bombs signals this. That's also a hint of the enormous new profligacy of the new IDF. The old IDF did amazing stuff with old kit, such as using Shermans to take of T55s, Centurion tanks up against  T72s, seriously upgraded Mistrals. The Ukrainians are showing their is plenty of life in the old M113 as a battle bus. The new IDF though have so many spare, they're blowing them up, even abandoning them on an empty battlefield.

 

Much like Al Qaida would never have existed if it was not for American sacks of cash, Hamas wouldn't also have existed, but for payments channeled to it by the Israeli government. The US government has some culpability in the events leading to 911 (obviously not responsible for the event itself, but incompetance helped the terrorists), the same for the Israeli government; they created and funded a monster, and then provided inadequate protection for its citizens. Its forgotten, but it took 2 days for the IDF to arrive and help the attacked settlements and hamlets (apparently the reason was because they were on holiday?). I can't imagine the same happening in the US and the UK, or if it did, the government of the day surviving for long. Subsequent events certainly provided cover for the Israeli government, just as events post-911 provided cover for Bush, who, until 911, was having a rather poor time of running the US. Has the Israeli military not learned from the Yom Kippur War?

 

3 years on, more countries recognise the state of Palestine than before. So that's one policy failure. Israeli Palestine policy is now entirely controlled  by the US; its now the US deciding is a ceasefire is broken or not, not the Israeli government. Notably, they are now just following the US lead, where ever that will take us. There are plenty in Israel calling the peace plan a disaster for Israel, and a betrayal, but no one is taking any notice of them.

 

The Israeli government created Hamas (or at least fed it), but they haven't learned from copying British Divide and Rule policies (they supported Hamas, because it weakened Fatah and others, which ultimately would weaken the Palestinian cause), because they have been caught trying the same with whatevr thugs they are paying off to form "Popular Fronts", and are now being finished off by the roadside, by Hamas gunmen who I thought were supposed to be all dead by now (they certainly appear spiffing in curiously new looking uniforms).

 

Note, I am condemming Israeli government policy. I would never condemm Israel.

 

Influential rabbi David Bar-Hayim isn't too convinced by this peace "agreement"

 

 

He's been misquoted of course, and except for his term "Islamo NAzis", he is spot on about the intentions of the Israeli government, which was not about saving hostages, but more about saving its own neck (the government depends on a continuing conflict to hold together). The Israeli government has always claimed sovereignty over Gaza. Fine, but if that was the case, as the Rabbi points out, then Israeli soldiers should be prepared to lay down their lives reclaiming and defending that sovereignty. Instead, this stand-offish approach to demolitions indicated that they treat Gaza as enemy territory, to be withdrawn from, and not defended. Whatever we decide to call this war, its important to remember how this "ended" (if it has) and compare that to the 6-day and the Yom Kippur wars, where the Arab forces were not only routed, but comprehensively punished (the occupation of Sinai and the Golan Heights). No such ambition it seems in Gaza, because of machiavellian political calculations, rather than principal.

 

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

The same people condemning Israel today were condemning Israel three years two years ago.

God giveth! How in Gods name can someone condemn them for protecting & defending against  barbaric terror when God & Man gave & promised the land to Israel & the Jews. 

 

AI Overview:

According to the Hebrew Bible, God promised the land of Israel to Abraham and his descendants, which includes the Jewish people. This promise is a central theme in the books of Genesis, Exodus, and other parts of the Torah. The land is considered a divine and eternal inheritance for the Jewish people, a belief that is a core part of Jewish identity and history.

 

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/creation-israel#:~:text=On November 29%2C 1947 the,mandate was scheduled to end.

 

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

The same people condemning Israel today were condemning Israel three years two years ago.

 

I think they are also part of a much larger group that refused partitioning Palestine since 1947.

And most of them are logically part of a much larger group condemning creation of Zionism since the middle ages...

 

In fact, you can't call them anti-Israelites or anti-Semites because they're often more Semitic than any average Zionist Israelite.

 

note : I talk not for myself but for the average Palestinian citizen that lived since Adam and Eve on his land. 

6 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

note : I talk not for myself but for the average Palestinian citizen that lived since Adam and Eve on his land. 

 

   Many of the Palestinians move to the land recently when  it became prosperous  .

   Islam didn't exist back in the days of Adam and eve 

The land was 100 % Jewish before Christianity and Islam came along 

21 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Many of the Palestinians move to the land recently when  it became prosperous  .

   Islam didn't exist back in the days of Adam and eve 

The land was 100 % Jewish before Christianity and Islam came along 

 

God didn't impose an Exodus on the Palestinians.

All other illegal occupiers like Israelites, Romans, Persians, Turks, etc. had to leave one day or another.

Don't try to sell me your Hasbarah...

2 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

God didn't impose an Exodus on the Palestinians.

 

 

   Let him decide that .

Who won the latest war ?

9 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

God didn't impose an Exodus on the Palestinians.

All other illegal occupiers like Israelites, Romans, Persians, Turks, etc. had to leave one day or another.

Don't try to sell me your Hasbarah...

There are no any  “illegal occupiers” on this planet. We all came from Africa, evolving from worms to monkeys and then to humans. So who exactly are the “legals” among us? The so called Palestinians, invented in the 1960s? Are you sure?

16 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Let him decide that .

Who won the latest war ?

 

Might be God, but let him decide that.

For me it was a genocide from both sides, so nobody wins ever wins in a genocide...

3 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Might be God, but let him decide that.

For me it was a genocide from both sides, so nobody wins ever wins in a genocide...

 

   Face up to the reality 

Your side lost the war, the war which they started .

27 minutes ago, Hellfire said:

There are no any  “illegal occupiers” on this planet. We all came from Africa, evolving from worms to monkeys and then to humans. So who exactly are the “legals” among us? The so called Palestinians, invented in the 1960s? Are you sure?

 

Hasbara 8k Full Ultra HD.

Good luck at next Thai immigration visit if they ask you where you come from...

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Face up to the reality 

Your side lost the war, the war which they started .

 

My side ? I'm neutral. 

7 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

My side ? I'm neutral. 

 

   I still remember your posts from Oct 7 th 2023

17 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Hasbara 8k Full Ultra HD.

Good luck at next Thai immigration visit if they ask you where you come from...

People came out of Africa 50000 plus years ago (there probably were several waves, including some on the much earlier dates). And how old is your authority called "Thai Immigration" ? For some reason, I prefer to base my outlook on life on scientific knowledge about our past and not on the definitions of the 50 years old entities. 

2 hours ago, riclag said:

God giveth! How in Gods name can someone condemn them for protecting & defending against  barbaric terror when God & Man gave & promised the land to Israel & the Jews. 

 

AI Overview:

According to the Hebrew Bible, God promised the land of Israel to Abraham and his descendants, which includes the Jewish people. This promise is a central theme in the books of Genesis, Exodus, and other parts of the Torah. The land is considered a divine and eternal inheritance for the Jewish people, a belief that is a core part of Jewish identity and history.

 

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/creation-israel#:~:text=On November 29%2C 1947 the,mandate was scheduled to end.

 

 

 

There is no God or Allah. You a Sky Fairy worshiper?

13 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

 

 

There is no God or Allah. You a Sky Fairy worshiper?

Thanks for sharing your opinion

22 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I still remember your posts from Oct 7 th 2023

 

Me too, I remember them. They were terrible, but ... neutral !

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15 minutes ago, riclag said:

Thanks for sharing your opinion

 

Thanks for confirming where you stand on sky fairies.

i condemn Hamas and the people who support them, especially the people on here, did you see them shooting Palestinians in the head a few days ago, executions, the lefties like that

Maybe a more useful question is - why do many Jewish people across the globe condemn Israel's actions?