October 22, 2025Oct 22 25 minutes ago, BLMFem said: So is that unfixable? MAHA perhaps a start ? Then stop sending billions to Ukraine,Israel and all the never ending wars. that should take care of it I think.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 Author 3 minutes ago, johng said: MAHA perhaps a start ? Then stop sending billions to Ukraine,Israel and all the never ending wars. that should take care of it I think. How would that reign in "Big Pharma"?
October 22, 2025Oct 22 Popular Post 1 hour ago, save the frogs said: Countries that have healthcare are more socialist and people pay much higher taxes. UK tax 19-25%, including healthcare, education, State Pension, and a load of other benefits Norway tax 24%, including healthcare, education and other benefits USA tax 21% ++ healthcare, education. If you include the cost of healthcare and education on your income, you would be paying around 27–30% in tax.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 19 minutes ago, Purdey said: Yes, you can keep your Blue Cross/Shield private healthcare, whatever You get the same health care as a CEO The gov has nothing to do with deciding who gets health care. Everyone who needs surgery gets it for free. Why do you think you should be bankrupted to get healthcare? So, they'll have separate hospitals for those with health insurance and the rest will go to a government type free hospital? I'm confused, how does that work? In Calif the county hospitals are already free. Will each state have their own rules?
October 22, 2025Oct 22 2 hours ago, BLMFem said: To a person who's grown up in a country where that was never, ever an issue this is mind-blowing. Go back to Uganda then.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 2 hours ago, Purdey said: Sad that people refuse universal healthcare because it is "socialist" without realizing that by that measure, so is the military, the police, roads, fire service and so on. Premiums paid to health insurance are pooled anyway to pay some people for expensive treatment, e.g. heart transplants. That pretty much is what EU members do, pay premiums via tax and pool the money to pay for some very expensive procedures. OMG..we have another poster who does not understand what Socialism means.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 Author 2 minutes ago, NickyLouie said: Go back to Uganda then. Are you saying that even poor Uganda has a better healthcare system than the US?? Well, I must admit that piece of information took me by surprise. But thanks for that, buddy. I appreciate your honesty!
October 22, 2025Oct 22 Author 1 minute ago, Mike_Hunt said: OMG..we have another poster who does not understand what Socialism means. Mike, please stop posting like you have a clue. I'm embarrassed on your behalf!
October 22, 2025Oct 22 2 hours ago, retayl said: The US is the only developed nation in the world that doesn’t give all of its citizens access to basic, affordable healthcare services. Every person in the United States has access to basic healthcare, it’ just isn’t affordable for everyone. Most of the “high cost” is just typical price gouging that has run rampant throughout all sectors of business of which insurance, medical and attorney services is out of reach for many.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 50 minutes ago, Purdey said: Fixed it for you. No, for everyone. I never had insurance until I was forty
October 22, 2025Oct 22 31 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said: So, they'll have separate hospitals for those with health insurance and the rest will go to a government type free hospital? I'm confused, how does that work? In Calif the county hospitals are already free. Will each state have their own rules? Well, my mother had Blue Cross. When she got cancer, Blue Cross refused to pay for treatment. What Americans call death panels are insurance companies making a decision whether to treat or not. Government hospitals cannot choose to let a patient die. I think you have misunderstood if you think there is "free" healthcare. It is paid for through tax, so it is free at the point of use only. You have already paid. There are about 930 NHS (public/government) hospitals and 218 private hospitals in the UK. Things not "free" in government hospitals would include beauty treatments, like facelifts. I once had a discussion with an American economist who said that American treatment is superior and gave the example of a patient in Norway who was flown to the USA where special treatment was available. My answer was the fact the flight and treatment were provided free to the Norwegian patient indicated that Norwegian healthcare was far superior.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 17 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said: OMG..we have another poster who does not understand what Socialism means. This is the American view of socialism, not the real meaning.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 Author Popular Post 1 hour ago, save the frogs said: Countries that have healthcare are more socialist and people pay much higher taxes. Really? I asked grok (AI) for the average personal tax rate of Western nations and it came up with this list: Country Avg. Personal Tax Rate (%) Australia 23.3 Austria 30.6 Belgium 40.3 Canada 21.5 Denmark 35.7 Finland 31.2 France 29.8 Germany 31.1 Greece 22.4 Iceland 28.5 Ireland 24.7 Italy 29.4 Liechtenstein ~18.0 Luxembourg 32.1 Malta 25.6 Netherlands 31.8 New Zealand 18.4 Norway 27.9 Portugal 20.1 Spain 24.2 Sweden 30.5 Switzerland 15.7 United Kingdom 24.9 United States 24.8 Every single country has universal healthcare except the US.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 3 minutes ago, Purdey said: This is the American view of socialism, not the real meaning. Socialism is where the people own the means of production.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 Popular Post 1 hour ago, mogandave said: Getting it back to where it was before the ACA woukd be a great start. Right, back when: 45–50 million Americans had no insurance at all Pre-existing conditions meant automatic denial or sky-high premiums Lifetime caps let insurers drop you once treatment got expensive Young adults were kicked off parents’ plans at 18 or 21 Medical bankruptcies made up over 60% of all personal bankruptcies Yeah, great plan — let’s make healthcare unaffordable again.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 Author 12 minutes ago, novacova said: Every person in the United States has access to basic healthcare, it’ just isn’t affordable for everyone. Most of the “high cost” is just typical price gouging that has run rampant throughout all sectors of business of which insurance, medical and attorney services is out of reach for many. Uh.....yes........exactly.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 Just now, Mike_Hunt said: Socialism is where the people own the means of production. Look back through this topic and you will find many Americans here think it means if they have to pay to support a group, that is socialism. "Hey, my health insurance doesn't pay for that guy, that's socialism." Actually, all health insurance is pooled and used for everyone.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 8 minutes ago, BLMFem said: Really? I asked grok (AI) for the average personal tax rate of Western nations and it came up with this list: Country Avg. Personal Tax Rate (%) Australia 23.3 Austria 30.6 Belgium 40.3 Canada 21.5 Denmark 35.7 Finland 31.2 France 29.8 Germany 31.1 Greece 22.4 Iceland 28.5 Ireland 24.7 Italy 29.4 Liechtenstein ~18.0 Luxembourg 32.1 Malta 25.6 Netherlands 31.8 New Zealand 18.4 Norway 27.9 Portugal 20.1 Spain 24.2 Sweden 30.5 Switzerland 15.7 United Kingdom 24.9 United States 24.8 Every single country has universal healthcare except the US. Half the people in the US pay no federal income tax, so the average rate is a bit skewed.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 4 minutes ago, Purdey said: Look back through this topic and you will find many Americans here think it means if they have to pay to support a group, that is socialism. "Hey, my health insurance doesn't pay for that guy, that's socialism." Actually, all health insurance is pooled and used for everyone. A poo is not socialism. Anyway Socialism sucks.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 Just now, Mike_Hunt said: A poo is not socialism. Anyway Socialism sucks. That's because you don't understand. The American definition of socialism is paying money to help others. In a way, your tax pays for the military, which is posted globally and is paying money to foreigners on a daily basis and all that came from your tax.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 1 minute ago, Purdey said: That's because you don't understand. The American definition of socialism is paying money to help others. In a way, your tax pays for the military, which is posted globally and is paying money to foreigners on a daily basis and all that came from your tax. None of this is socialism. We all know Socialism sucks.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 A 5% net increase on income tax for the richest 20% would pay for free health care for every single citizen. But what do the richest care about the poorest? This is America.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 Author 9 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said: Socialism is where the people own the means of production. That is more or less correct, although a bit narrow in it's definition. So I asked an AI (Grok) the following question: "As per the definition that socialism is an economic and political system where the community or state owns and controls the means of production, rather than private individuals, are there any countries on the planet that can be considered socialist?" Part of reply, as per forum rules: "By the strict definition of socialism—where the state or community owns and controls the means of production—few, if any, countries fully qualify today. Countries Often Associated with Socialism Cuba North Korea Venezuela Vietnam Laos China So when the usual suspects sprout their drivel about "socialist" Western Europe, Canada or Anzac one can just gently bur repeatedly pat them on their ignorant little heads and kick their ample butts, Benny Hill style.😆
October 22, 2025Oct 22 47 minutes ago, BLMFem said: How would that reign in "Big Pharma"? By being healthy there is far less need for "big pharma'' in the first place. Spending less on war can help Make America Healthy Again by subsidising farmers producing healthy natural food at an affordable cost ,providing low cost loans (or free) housing,education, healthcare and business startups. Stop spending on war and destruction and start investing in your own people/country..
October 22, 2025Oct 22 Author 1 minute ago, johng said: By being healthy there is far less need for "big pharma'' in the first place. Spending less on war can help Make America Healthy Again by subsidising farmers producing healthy natural food at an affordable cost ,providing low cost loans (or free) housing,education, healthcare and business startups. Stop spending on war and destruction and start investing in your own people/country.. So you're just using this topic as an excuse to support Putin and anti-vaxx. Bye.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 3 minutes ago, johng said: By being healthy there is far less need for "big pharma'' in the first place. Spending less on war can help Make America Healthy Again by subsidising farmers producing healthy natural food at an affordable cost ,providing low cost loans (or free) housing,education, healthcare and business startups. Stop spending on war and destruction and start investing in your own people/country.. Commie
October 22, 2025Oct 22 Why is the US healthcare system such a complete mess? It all started with Nixon, this video explains it.
October 22, 2025Oct 22 23 minutes ago, BLMFem said: So you're just using this topic as an excuse to support Putin and anti-vaxx. Bye. That's quite a leap bye to you too then !
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