People sure believed that mRNA jabs were safe and effective. If you get the jab you can't spread the virus. People believed that schools should be shutdown and everyone should be locked inside their houses. People beleived that you had to stand 6 feet apart because Fauci said so. Of course he later admitted this was not based on scientific evidence. We were told that the mRNA vaccine stays in the deltoid muscle. This has been proven not to be the case. The virus naturally occured in nature not a lab. Seems there's been plenty of misinformation. Of course the misinformation I speak of here was censored or demonized. 

2 minutes ago, transam said:

From near 70 years back.................😁

Yes, you are scrapping the barrel..........

 

Now tell us about the drugs that have saved millions of lives.....?

But you won't, goes against your ridiculous agenda.......😬

The principles remain the same Sir. Look up Vioxx.

 

Wonder if any drug companies have been fined since? I'll look that up.

 

I have an agenda? You've sussed me out Transam. Called truth.

 

 

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

No need,

97% of all scientists agree with their employers.

Come on, give us the link for that.............

23 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

People sure believed that mRNA jabs were safe and effective. If you get the jab you can't spread the virus. People believed that schools should be shutdown and everyone should be locked inside their houses. People beleived that you had to stand 6 feet apart because Fauci said so. Of course he later admitted this was not based on scientific evidence. We were told that the mRNA vaccine stays in the deltoid muscle. This has been proven not to be the case. The virus naturally occured in nature not a lab. Seems there's been plenty of misinformation. Of course the misinformation I speak of here was censored or demonized. 

 

You put forward a lot of supposed facts that aren't actually facts or proven reality.

 

--There was scientific research and evidence that went into the U.S.'s social distancing policy, notwithstanding the long after comment by Fauci (who wasn't personally at all involved in the drafting of the CDC-promulgated distancing policy). And it's been presented and documented here many times, typically when people repeat the false claim you're repeating.

 

--the vast majority of experts in public health, epidemiology and related fields still believe, based on the available evidence, that COVID emerged naturally jumping from animals to humans, and that the virus was not lab-generated. It's mostly non-science right-wing politicians and conspiracy theorists who assert the opposite.

 

--studies have shown that school closures and other social distancing restrictions early in the pandemic -- prior to the arrival of vaccines -- helped reduce the illness levels and spread associated with COVID.

 

Merely repeating right-wing anti-vaxer tropes doesn't make them true.

 

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Oh no they didn't Sir. 

 

Too much BBC/CNN/Fox for you.

 

Not one person died from covid worldwide. No one even got sick from covid worldwide.

 

The virus that supposedly caused covid was a giant hoax. Why do you think it's commonly referred to as The Plandemic?

 

If you think I'm wrong show me where the virus has been isolated, and had experiments put to it, to show it's infectious properties. I'll save you the bother. You can't; cause there ain't any.

 

Mam is responsible for hurting man. Nature only cures.

 

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0516_article

 

Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 from Patient with Coronavirus Disease, United States

 

Cytopathic effect caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 from patient with coronavirus disease, United States, 2020. A–C) Phase-contrast microscopy of Vero cell monolayers at 3 days postinoculation: A) Mock, B) nasopharyngeal specimen, C) oropharyngeal specimen. Original magnifications ×10). D) Electron microscopy of virus isolate showing extracellular spherical particles with cross-sections through the nucleocapsids (black dots). Arrow indicates a coronavirus virion budding from a cell. Scale bar indicates 200 nm.

 

 

 

I've circled it in red, in image D

 

 

Explained Simply

 

 

Scientists took samples from a COVID-19 patient and added them to healthy cells in a lab dish.

 

The healthy cells (the control) looked normal.

 

The cells with the patient samples started to break apart and die — meaning the virus was attacking them.

 

 

 

Image D

 

When the scientists looked with a super-powerful microscope, they could see tiny round virus particles coming out of the infected cells.

 

18 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

You put forward a lot of supposed facts that aren't actually facts or proven reality.

 

--There was scientific research and evidence that went into the U.S.'s social distancing policy, notwithstanding Fauci's comment. And it's been presented and documented here many times, typically when people repeat the false claim you're repeating.

 

--the vast majority of experts in public health, epidemiology and related fields still believe, based on the available evidence, that COVID emerged naturally jumping from animals to humans, and that the virus was not lab-generated. It's mostly non-science right-wing politicians and conspiracy theorists who assert the opposite.

 

--studies have shown that school closures and other social distancing restrictions early in the pandemic -- prior to the arrival of vaccines -- helped reduce the illness levels and spread associated with COVID.

 

Merely repeating right-wing anti-vaxer tropes doesn't make them true.

 

Mr Dinsdale was right. Plenty of people in authority did say what he said they did.

 

I'm not in the habit of defending members who can perfectly well look after themselves. But after reading this claptrap, I have to say the following.

 

''There was scientific research and evidence that went into the U.S.'s social distancing policy, notwithstanding Fauci's comment.''

 

What was the distance  now; 6 feet 3 3/8 inches. The same as 2metres in Europe. Got to be in lockstep.

 

''the vast majority of experts in public health, epidemiology and related fields still believe, based on the available evidence, that COVID emerged naturally jumping from animals to humans,,,''

 

There is no evidence. This is Monumental Humbug.

 

''and that the virus was not lab-generated.''

 

It wasn't lab generated. We can agree on that.

 

''It's mostly non-science right-wing politicians and conspiracy theorists who assert the opposite.''

 

Conspiracy theorists in the mainstream? What? Never heard anything like it.

 

Lockdowns? 

 

All this hogwash does is keep the mysterious, elusive virus, in the mind's eye.

 

 

Next up, an introduction to the local branch of the Flat Earth society!

 

One of the favorite Flat Earther claims debunked below....

 

Fact Check: SARS-CoV-2 has been isolated and its complete genome has been sequenced 

March 30, 2021

 

"An interview with a late Canadian writer has resurfaced on social media and shows him making several false claims about COVID-19. Among them, he questions the existence of coronaviruses by saying they have never been isolated. This is not true, and such a claim reveals the writer’s lack of understanding of virology.

...

There are multiple examples of scientists isolating SARS-CoV-2 (here, here, here, here), the virus that causes COVID-19 disease, where they also sequenced the complete genome (here, here, here). Pictures of isolated SARS-CoV-2 particles have been released by the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (here).

 

VERDICT

False. There are numerous examples of scientists isolating SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID -19, and sequencing its genome. The argument about purification relates to 19th Century microbiological theory that does not apply to viruses. The novel coronavirus has been proven to exist and has caused millions of deaths worldwide."

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-rna/fact-check-sars-cov-2-has-been-isolated-and-its-complete-genome-has-been-sequenced-idUSL1N2LS27P/

 

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, Bacon1 said:

 

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/6/20-0516_article

 

Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 from Patient with Coronavirus Disease, United States

 

Cytopathic effect caused by severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 from patient with coronavirus disease, United States, 2020. A–C) Phase-contrast microscopy of Vero cell monolayers at 3 days postinoculation: A) Mock, B) nasopharyngeal specimen, C) oropharyngeal specimen. Original magnifications ×10). D) Electron microscopy of virus isolate showing extracellular spherical particles with cross-sections through the nucleocapsids (black dots). Arrow indicates a coronavirus virion budding from a cell. Scale bar indicates 200 nm.

 

 

 

I've circled it in red, in image D

 

 

Explained Simply

 

 

Scientists took samples from a COVID-19 patient and added them to healthy cells in a lab dish.

 

The healthy cells (the control) looked normal.

 

The cells with the patient samples started to break apart and die — meaning the virus was attacking them.

 

 

 

Image D

 

When the scientists looked with a super-powerful microscope, they could see tiny round virus particles coming out of the infected cells.

 

Super powerful microscope eh Sir? Would that be electron microscopy?

 

I've researched this and IMO, there is no budding whatsoever. Simply interpretation from white-coats who wish it to be so.

 

Electron microscopy does not represent living tissue at all. All you see - at least when I was a white-coat (for a short period of time) - is a two dimensional image of dead something or other.

 

The steps taken, before the pics were taken, are, IMO, responsible for the breakdown in petri dish tissue. As Dr Enders and Dr Lanka have both eloquently explained.

 

22 minutes ago, Bacon1 said:

Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 from Patient with Coronavirus Disease, United States

Just to respond to this line.

 

There is no such thing as a coronavirus disease.

 

Whatever this patient, from whom the sample was taken, originally had, I don't know. But the symptoms were the signs of his/her body detoxing. Perfectly natural body function.

 

"People who believe health misinformation are not bad people or stupid. Rather, they should be viewed as victims that sellers of misinformation have taken advantage of because of their misplaced mistrust and strong personal autonomy. I use the term “victim” here because the solution to helping misinformed people is to engage with them in personal and emotionally engaging ways."

 

Psychology Today

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/misinformation-in-life-and-society/202510/6-reasons-why-people-believe-health-misinformation

 

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

"People who believe health misinformation are not bad people or stupid. Rather, they should be viewed as victims that sellers of misinformation have taken advantage of because of their misplaced mistrust and strong personal autonomy. I use the term “victim” here because the solution to helping misinformed people is to engage with them in personal and emotionally engaging ways."

 

Psychology Today

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/misinformation-in-life-and-society/202510/6-reasons-why-people-believe-health-misinformation

 

'Cut n Paste' champion for 2025.

11 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I've researched this and IMO, there is no budding whatsoever. Simply interpretation from white-coats who wish it to be so.

 

 

So all those Virologists apparently know nothing, compared to you.

 

Is that correct?

1 minute ago, Bacon1 said:

So all those Virologists apparently know nothing, compared to you.

Is that correct?

 

I will quote Upton Sinclair on that one: 

> 'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.'

17 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

I will quote Upton Sinclair on that one: 

> 'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.'

 

 

Which of course FALSELY presumes that all research on public health matters is done by people being paid by outside interests, which simply isn't true.

 

But it is a standard part of the anti-vaxer playbook to try to discredit credible science, all the while the anti-vaxer world is selling fake COVID cures and fake vaccine detox regimens, and making money off their internet blogs and YouTube channels.

 

 

 

30 minutes ago, Bacon1 said:

 

So all those Virologists apparently know nothing, compared to you.

 

Is that correct?

I don't want to diss the virologists. Although many of them are in the pocket of a Big Pharma operation. They produce results that their funder wants to see.

 

But I will say, what is thought of (by some virologists) as a virus under electron microscopy, is only evident once the cell dies. A virus, if it exists at all, is simply cell debris. If it has a function, it 'could' be as an aid to dead cell elimination. It has never been seen alive. Even if that is possible.

 

Dr Andrew Kaufman believes exosomes and viruses are one and the same thing. See topic 'What is a virus.' I'm not so sure about that. Could they have a role in passing messages from a dying cell to a live one? TBH. I just don't know with that. I can't see why a dead entity should need to penetrate a living cell. Except to warn it? Maybe!

57 minutes ago, Bacon1 said:

 

So all those Virologists apparently know nothing, compared to you.

 

Is that correct?

It really depends on if their research is reliant on big pharma funding. They know what their doing scientifically but if research funding is dependent on big pharma money not just now but into the future negative results will be buried to keep the cash flow coming. 

Except for the fact that potential drugs in development regularly fail because they fail clinical trial testing conducted in conjunction with drug manufacturers, as they should, if the meds are not shown to be effective. The results below belie the false argument being made that all research results are for sale and/or that negative results will somehow be buried:

 

2022's 10 top clinical trial flops

"It's no secret that developing new drugs is a tough game. Throughout the process, there are many pitfalls that threaten to undermine projects. The impact can also be far-reaching, in some cases threatening the viability of smaller companies. While larger drugmakers are better positioned to ride out clinical upsets, there's no escaping that failures can be devastating for patients.

 

Our latest batch of 10 notable failed trials in 2022 runs the gamut of rare to common diseases, startup to multinational biopharma companies and small-molecule to biologic therapies. And, as usual, the report is full of programs in highly active and challenging therapeutic categories like cancer and central nervous system diseases. Those two categories accounted for eight of the 10 on our list.

 

Not all of them spelled the end of the asset, but many raised questions about the validity of a therapeutic approach, ended alliances, had a potential impact on the broader industry pipeline or at least affected the commercial prospects of the drug candidate. And, in some cases, there have been heartbreaking developments for patients desperate for new treatments."

 

https://www.fiercebiotech.com/special-reports/2022s-top-10-clinical-trial-flops

 

 

21 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Except for the fact that potential drugs in development regularly fail because they fail clinical trial testing conducted in conjunction with drug manufacturers

Alas this wasn't the case for the emergency mRNA Covid-19 vaccine. No long term trials which is the normal practice and hence why they fail or get the go ahead. Let's also take into account drugs that have got the go ahead after clinical trials with disarterous consequences. Thalidomide for one example. Great for morning sickness but we all know very, very bad for the baby.

29 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Alas this wasn't the case for the emergency mRNA Covid-19 vaccine. No long term trials which is the normal practice and hence why they fail or get the go ahead. Let's also take into account drugs that have got the go ahead after clinical trials with disarterous consequences. Thalidomide for one example..

 

 

After nearly 5 years and 14 billion COVID vaccine doses given, I'd say the results are pretty evident and more than justify the original Emergency Use Authorizations given early in the worldwide COVID pandemic. EUAs that later became full and normal COVID vaccine authorizations by governments around the world.

 

Would you have preferred sitting around and letting people die from COVID in masses after the mRNA vaccines were found safe and effective in multi-phase clinical trials conducted involving more than 40,000 participants?

 

"Safe and effective" never defined as 100% effective or 100% without any potential side effects as anti-vaxers like to claim. But rather, effective meaning the benefits and protections of the treatment outweighed the risks, which was more than the case with these.  And 14 billion doses given prove it.

 

PS - Public health agencies such as the U.S. CDC continue to monitor and assess the ongoing safety of mRNA COVID vaccines in use now nearly 5 years after their first use, and in recent times have not found any new side effect issues beyond the previously very rare ones already identified.

 

 

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

After 5 years and 14 billion COVID vaccine doses given, I'd say the results are pretty evident and more than justify the original Emergency Use Authorizations given early in the worldwide COVID pandemic. EUAs that later became full and normal authorizations.

 

Would you have preferred sitting around and letting people die from COVID in masses after the mRNA vaccines were found safe and effective in clinical trials?

 

"Safe and effective" never defined as 100% without any potential side effects as anti-vaxers like to claim, but rather, effective meaning the benefits and protections of the treatment outweighing the risks, which was more than the case with these.  And 14 billion doses given prove it.

 

 

You continue to push the narrative. People with critical thinking skills that don't believe everything they're told and don't watch MSM have opened their eyes and minds and have seen through the BS. You haven't and continue to believe what you were told to believe. That's fine. That's your stance.

8 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

After 5 years and 14 billion COVID vaccine doses given, I'd say the results are pretty evident and more than justify the original Emergency Use Authorizations

Yes.  Sometimes a cull is necessary.

 

The shots are proving to be effective but like all good things….it takes time.

 

 

People with "critical thinking skills" who follow this lot below??  Here's who you should NOT believe, some of the favorite post sources for anti-vaxers here:

 

The science (and business) behind COVID-19 disinformation. And what to do about it.

...

Why spread rumors?

"Why would people intentionally push a rumor? It’s simple: To turn a profit. Disinformation campaigns, like COVID-19 vaccines, turns out to be incredibly lucrative business model. The Center for Countering Digital Hate outlined this clearly. Some examples include:

 

--Joseph Mercola uses health disinformation to promote the sale of supplements, books and food. During the height of the pandemic, he promoted a new website designed to prevent or treat COVID-19 with alternative remedies. His business has a net worth of $100 million.

 

--Robert F. Kennedy Jr is the leading anti-vaxxer of the pandemic, as he owns the Children’s Health Defense. He gained more than 1 million followers in 2020 and traffic to his website rose sharply in March 2021 with 2.35 million visits."

 

Your Local Epidemiologist

https://archive.ph/wV4LB

 

Along with this motley group -- the infamous COVID disinformation dozen:

 

 

https://counterhate.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/210324-The-Disinformation-Dozen.pdf

 

 

 

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Which of course FALSELY presumes that all research on public health matters is done by people being paid by outside interests, which simply isn't true.

Not all. This is the difference between independent scientific research and scientific research funded by and reliant on big pharma funding.  

All hail your "critical thinkers" who intelligently follow this motley crew:

 

AKA Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

 

 

 

 

GreenMedInfo AKA Sayer Ji

 

 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/

 

 

 

32 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Along with this motley group -- the infamous COVID disinformation dozen:

 

 

https://counterhate.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/210324-The-Disinformation-Dozen.pdf

 

 

Some excellent names. Is 'Ben Tapper' also an adult video actor when he's not busy allegedly spreading disinformation? Although your list is more than three years old (like many of the items / references you post), so maybe he's moved on?

 

 

39 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Yes.  Sometimes a cull is necessary.

 

The shots are proving to be effective but like all good things….it takes time.

 

 

 

Should of let it rip. 

 

6 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

 

Some excellent names. Is 'Ben Tapper' also an adult video actor when he's not busy allegedly spreading disinformation? Although your list is more than three years old (like many of the items / references you post), so maybe he's moved on?

 

 

RFK Jr. is Donald Trump's pick currently heading the U.S. Health and Human Services agency, which includes the CDC and the FDA.

 

Mercola and Sayer Ji even now are popular sources for anti-vax posters here in this subforum.

 

Too bad someone authoritative hasn't done a "Disinformation Dozen" list for 2025.  If anyone was so inclined, I would readily point them to the countless anti-vaxer posts in this subforum as a good starting point.

And let's not forget Peter McCullough, another popular anti-vaxer source here who was stripped of his medical board certifications for promoting COVID misinformation, and has had multiple studies he co-authored retracted by scientific journals after they were found to be non-credible, misleading, flawed, etc.

 

McCullough would be a sure top pick for any new version of the Disinformation Dozen:

 

"From the beginnings of the COVID-19 pandemic, McCullough has promoted misinformation and conspiracy theories about COVID-19, its treatments, and mRNA vaccines.^[4][5][6]

 

In October 2022, the American Board of Internal Medicine (ABIM) recommended that McCullough's board certifications be revoked due to his promotion of misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines,^[7][8] and by January 2025, the ABIM had revoked both of his certifications."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_A._McCullough

 

Do you understand just how bad a doctor in the U.S. has to be for the regulatory agencies to strip an MD of their medical license or their medical board certifications???  McCullough more than met that test!

 

 

 

24 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said:

Some excellent names. Is 'Ben Tapper' also an adult video actor when he's not busy allegedly spreading disinformation?

 

I'm guessing your knowledge of porn actors is unrelated to the Ben Tapper, a chiropractor. who was on the COVID Disinformation Dozen list:

 

Nebraska chiropractor part of anti-vaccine 'disinformation dozen' list

October 9, 2021

...

"At a time when the surgeon general says misinformation has become an urgent threat to public health, an investigation by The Associated Press found a vocal and influential group of chiropractors has been capitalizing on the pandemic by sowing fear and mistrust of vaccines.

...

Nebraska chiropractor Ben Tapper landed on the “Disinformation Dozen,” a list compiled by the Center for Countering Digital Hate, which says he is among the small group of people responsible for nearly two-thirds of anti-vaccine content online. Tapper went viral with posts downplaying the dangers of COVID-19, criticizing “Big Pharma,” and stoking fears of the vaccine."

 

https://nebraska.tv/news/local/nebraska-chiropractor-ben-tapper-part-of-anti-vaccine-disinformation-dozen-list

 

 

Because much of the medical information is later proven to false. This has always happened and has been discussed by other scientists and educational institutions for decades. Below is a summary of an essay written by a Stanford professor at the Stanford School of Medicine.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_Most_Published_Research_Findings_Are_False

 

Medical believes are complicated and some choose not  to trust much of the information.  I myself use common sense and make the best choice.  Being told I'm stupid and my opinion doesn't matter is what riled many during Covid to the point some lost the ability to make good decisions.  

 

BTW, Thanks TallGuy for not posting endless articles. Still pasted a few but not excessive.   I actually read some of your posts  🙂