3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Nope... thats your ego again - whether or not she returns and the timing has nothing to do with you at all...

... it has everything to do with her existing customers and when they bail out and if she can get more - when the well runs dry - its back to you.

Nope. I'm saying goodbye.

I'm not texting her anymore now.

I'm rather disappointed she'd play like this with me "I'm coming back tomorrow" Then "Haha, only joking"!. That's really cruel and thoughtless.

I'm done now.

She's probably with a guy there anyway.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Well, so far, she has failed as she hasn't got much money out of him... hence the 'fake' move to Sisaket before the truth came out and she's in Pattaya to work in bar (but told him a factory !)... she needs to make money.

Exactly, which is why he can flip the script and pull a pump and dump on her. OP may be naive but she's taking advantage so I wouldn't have any scruples myself. Lesson learned, no harm no foul.

38 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

No that is Thai humor

No, that is testing the waters. Now she understands that he is still on the hook and she is back in control.

He is now in exactly the position of the Thai man and the Austrian...until they too tired of her games and shut the door.

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

That was always there - she just a masked it well with good acting in lieu of a payday - and you fell for it hook line and sinker.

The mask did falter a couple of times, you mentioned the look of contempt earlier on in the thread when you were in Chiang Mai together and had a disagreement.

There you go trying to polish that turd again - she 'attended' an institution, never finished.

Lots of experience with lots of different clients will teach her that - 'the university of putting it about' !

Because she's not getting her pay day so has moved back to doing something she knows will pay out - the Pattaya high-season.

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Just now, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

So you pushed it back to me, doesn't change anything. What you mean is that there is nothing deep and mysterious in what you write. I accept that.

And you pushing it back on also does not change anything, we could go round in circles all day as no one on the blog writes anything deep ........ including you.

23 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

So you pushed it back to me, doesn't change anything. What you mean is that there is nothing deep and mysterious in what you write. I accept that.

And you pushing back to me means the same thing, we could do this childish chat all day like children.

Don't take yourself too seriously no one including you writes anything deep and mysterious on this blog, it is a blog for noddy chat, or taking the pisss.

35 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She likes to f with me.

She texted "I was joking".

When I said "When are you really coming back?"

She replied "I don't know".

She is a very cruel female.

She seems to play yoyo with you and your feelings.

Some general thoughts about Asian girls in their 20ties – and it does not really matter if you meet them in a bar, online or at a 7/11 etc. , Singapor, Vietnam or Thailand for that matter.

Since you mentioned so often her great looks and the great sex, which seems the focus for you.

So many middle-aged westerners are blown away , coming from the wasteland and maybe for the first time in their life get treated really nicely by a young and pretty girl. Oh my, if I think back to my first soapy-experience.😍

 

Reality: after a few years together and maybe a couple of kids, looks and most likely sex drive will decline.

So, if you look for a long-term relationship i.e. wife you have to be sure about everything else but look and sexercise. Is there enough reliability, personality, strength, patience etc. to make it work? What are her goals in life? Don’t underestimate the strain cultural differences will add to an intercultural relationship.

Most importantly: is she still in the adventurous partying phase, trying everything out, or is she mature enough to decide about her future and commit to a serious long-term relationship?

 

Moving together, trying it out will surely clarify many questions.

Judging her based on what you wrote, thinking about the age-gap and probably very different points and goals in life, I would hang hopes not too high though

 

And she just texted she IS coming back.

This girl is driving me crazy.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

And she just texted she IS coming back.

This girl is driving me crazy.

Better the devil she knows...

2 minutes ago, mangkut70 said:

She seems to play yoyo with you and your feelings.

Some general thoughts about Asian girls in their 20ties – and it does not really matter if you meet them in a bar, online or at a 7/11 etc. , Singapor, Vietnam or Thailand for that matter.

Since you mentioned so often her great looks and the great sex, which seems the focus for you.

So many middle-aged westerners are blown away , coming from the wasteland and maybe for the first time in their life get treated really nicely by a young and pretty girl. Oh my, if I think back to my first soapy-experience.

 

Reality: after a few years together and maybe a couple of kids, looks and most likely sex drive will decline.

So, if you look for a long-term relationship i.e. wife you have to be sure about everything else but look and sexercise. Is there enough reliability, personality, strength, patience etc. to make it work? What are her goals in life? Don’t underestimate the strain cultural differences will add to an intercultural relationship.

Most importantly: is she still in the adventurous partying phase, trying everything out, or is she mature enough to decide about her future and commit to a serious long-term relationship?

 

Moving together, trying it out will surely clarify many questions.

Judging her based on what you wrote, thinking about the age-gap and probably very different points and goals in life, I would hang hopes not too high though

 

Her sex drive will decline?

So it will become normal?

She just asked me to go with her to Phuket in late February.

"Do you want to go with me?"

For her birthday.

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She just asked me to go with her to Phuket in late February.

"Do you want to go with me?"

For her birthday.

You are but putty in her hands...

She said we'd go meet in Bangkok on her birthday and then fly back to Chiang Mai.

I'm not happy. That would mean not seeing her until 20th February.

2 hours ago, Hummin said:

Prostitutes are humans to, with thoughts and feelings as anyone else....

If you know how many girls growing up in this country, with no hugs, and no touching, bullied for their skin colour, thinking they are ugly, and suddenly they get attention, same as many men worthless on the marked back home get some easy touches by girls here and fall for the first one they meet, and think it is true love...

Absolutely agree. Beside all the hunt for money, scheming and agendas many long also for a true connection. Happened to me a few times back in the days. The moment they realized that I liked them but was not falling for any bs, but also not judging, still respecting and understanding them, something profound changed. humor helps a lot. Got to know some lovely and interesting people below the masks, mostly confronted with impossible choices. friendships with mutual benefits. Experiences I really would not like to have missed.

I don't think this would work.

If she makes us wait until 20th February to see each other again, her feelings will have changed for sure. Cooled and disappeared.

That would never work.

The only good option is if I go to Chonburi next week or the week after.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

The only good option is if I go to Chonburi next week or the week after.

That might turn out as a hurtful experience. Sometimes ignorance is a blessing.

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

And she just texted she IS coming back.

This girl is driving me crazy.

Pump and dump while you're still ahead!

1 hour ago, NorthernRyland said:

Lesson learned,

Nope 🤣

1 hour ago, mangkut70 said:

That might turn out as a hurtful experience. Sometimes ignorance is a blessing.

He will be able to go see her at work. Soi 6 never shuts.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

She just asked me to go with her to Phuket in late February.

"Do you want to go with me?"

For her birthday.

There you have it... she's has no bookings from late Feb !!!...

... Well, she does now... Good old Casanova-Cam stepped up !!

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

... it has everything to do with her existing customers and when they bail out and if she can get more - when the well runs dry - its back to you.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

She just asked me to go with her to Phuket in late February.

"Do you want to go with me?"

For her birthday.

That'll be her 40th ??? - check that ID !!! and while you are checking, double check is states หญิง and not ชาย.. cos thats an impressive Jawline for a chick !

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

I don't think this would work.

If she makes us wait until 20th February to see each other again, her feelings will have changed for sure. Cooled and disappeared.

Noooo... Surely she has said those famous words "me lub you long time"...

Her feelings will not change in the the slightest - 'will tolerate company and put out like the next 25,000 baht depeneded on it !!!'

Your's on the other hand will have matured from love sick teen to desperate monger trying to claim a win....

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

That would never work.

The only good option is if I go to Chonburi next week or the week after.

Thats it chase her down.... nothing funner than a middle aged man going through a love sick teen phase and going from bar to bar to hunt down a promise....

25k later and Cameroni is still romanticizing the ghosting like it’s some kind of fling instead of the disappearing act.

The best part is him calling a Chiang Mai girl a prostitute while she was nice enough to send IG story updates on the way to Pino Latte and numerous resorts… where she got properly banged afterwards.

Even Indians in Pattaya have more self respect, lol

38 minutes ago, Celsius said:

25k later and Cameroni is still romanticizing the ghosting like it’s some kind of fling instead of the disappearing act.

The best part is him calling a Chiang Mai girl a prostitute while she was nice enough to send IG story updates on the way to Pino Latte and numerous resorts… where she got properly banged afterwards.

Even Indians in Pattaya have more self respect, lol

Aww… thats harsh?.... Come on... CM girl was a proper fling - the real deal. Documented. Verified.... He almost kissed her - a near-contact incident so intimate it deserves its own anniversary.... They even went to Big C together... If that’s not emotional intimacy, then what is? Tea-cup shopping - the apex of human connection.

Tragic she vanished to Pino Latte faster than a drowned rat down a storm drain the moment a shinier wallet came into view… But still. Real. Deeply, profoundly real. For several minutes....

And remember, as the famous tats so eloquently reminds us No Ragrets.

This time round, though - nothing ventured, nothing gained.... Because nothing quite screams true love like whispering “I love you… 20%” immediately before requesting 50,000 baht, then sprinting off to Pattaya to get smashed and stuffed during high season - while poor old Norma Jean waits on by like a loyal love sick puppy....
Its a modern fairy tale - just with fewer glass slippers and more cash withdrawals

OP...please read your OP.

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Aww… thats harsh?.... Come on... CM girl was a proper fling - the real deal. Documented. Verified.... He almost kissed her - a near-contact incident so intimate it deserves its own anniversary.... They even went to Big C together... If that’s not emotional intimacy, then what is? Tea-cup shopping - the apex of human connection.

Tragic she vanished to Pino Latte faster than a drowned rat down a storm drain the moment a shinier wallet came into view… But still. Real. Deeply, profoundly real. For several minutes....

And remember, as the famous tats so eloquently reminds us No Ragrets.

This time round, though - nothing ventured, nothing gained.... Because nothing quite screams true love like whispering “I love you… 20%” immediately before requesting 50,000 baht, then sprinting off to Pattaya to get smashed and stuffed during high season - while poor old Norma Jean waits on by like a loyal love sick puppy....
Its a modern fairy tale - just with fewer glass slippers and more cash withdrawals

Yes,i agree, This has everythign, Love ,sex,hatred,money. Travel. This has the makings of a great movie.Lead actor to be played by the Cam himself and the ladies part to be played by anjoline jolie.

21 minutes ago, theshu25 said:

ladies part to be played by anjoline jolie.

Sure as she's about the same age as lippy

Most everyone on this topic has given you good advice but it seems you are still looking for excuses to be with these types of girls. I'm sure most of us have a lot more experience with all ages of girls and women and see what's been going on since the first post. The main things they and I are trying to get through to you has been explained many times by Myself, Richard, theshu, mangkut, Frankie, Northern and others but I'm thinking what is said means nothing to you as you're trying to convince yourself things are "different" in your case. They aren't. Being with, and paying for, a lot of girls doesn't give you the experience of how a woman really works and thinks. These are girls looking for a payout, period.

Girls, especially here where money means a whole lot more, have been doing this for a very long time. They watch and learn from others here, knowing the tactics to get the cash and how to disappear when it lowers or when they find a better deal. Like one mentioned, it has nothing to do with you, how you look, what you say or do, besides how much you spend "today".

The thing you have to decide is what you really want, as you can't have both, either a deceitful girl or good woman, and that usually means upping your age limit higher, as the 20's crowd isn't mature enough to give an older man what they really need long term. What those girls are doing, besides playing games because of that deceit and immaturity, is keeping you on a string until they get the scissors. You don't find permanent by looking at casual sex, even if you think it's going to be for a little while.

If you want girls to play, then stick with that, as there are many here, young and pretty, that you can be with just because they are looking for someone to pay for them, at least until they get bored with you. The older ones have already been down the road, used, dumped, taken for granted and advantage of, so they're tired of the boy games and want a man.

There are thousands of 30's women here, beautiful and fit, who would be happy to be with a decent, honest man for a relationship, but that means YOU have to change your ways. No other women in any ways, as you'll always get caught. Older women see deceit a mile away. Make your choice and stick with it, as you're only getting older yourself, which means you'll have to spend more cash for the girls.

9 hours ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Of course we can assume that you were speaking for yourself. I already wrote what happened to me. Perhaps you should read and absorb, prior to writing what seems like complete nonsense to me.

I've known this woman for five years and I don't remember telling you that she was from this country.

Some people will always be 'victims' @Hummin and they will use their victimhood to punish other people. Whatever happened to me, I stay loving and testament to that is being surrounded by people who love, trust and stay with me without coercion, money or material goods.

All you lot seem to do is to count the value for money you are getting from your union. As for limited experience...how would you know? Do you imagine your experience more extensive?

I pointed out prostitutes are human to :D

Seems you take out what happened to you on this forum to everyone for anything ;-)

When you are in a relationship with an Asian, and you create something together, of course there necessary to measure your return from your investment. Cant just give and give without anything back, same goes for feelings, you need feedback to stimulate continuity.

So yes there is a mix of both when you are the main provider and you also create a life together where you invest and produce things to be sustainable in the future. We both contributes to each other one way or the other. Not that hard, but easy to pick apart if you want and especially if you want to generalize our situation.

So to summarize:

She asked me to come with her to Phuket on 20 February, meet in BKK fly to Phuket.

As that would be 6 weeks down the line, she's hardly texting and could text even less if she gets a job, doesn't do phone calls, I told her it's not acceptable. There's no way I'd wait 6 weeks to see her again.

Instead i offered to come to Chonburi next week. When I therefore asked her to send a screenshot showing where her condo is, her room number, she refused and said she'd already sent address details.

Given her refusal to show where she was I then ended it with her.

She insisted she was with the sister of a relative, and that I did not understand. That she just wanted to get as much money as possible to go to Phuket on 20 February with me, to get her graduation certificate. And she'd come back with me to Chiang Mai to study then.

I told her we're done unless she sends a Whatsapp video showing her room with her relative in it.

Her whole story that she'd go to Sisaket for her mother's birthday and vote was a lie. She claims she spent 2 days in Sisaket and then her aunt said "Oh I'm going to Chonburi why don't you come I have a job in a fruit factory for you".

I am not buying this story. She spent two days pretending she was in Sisaket when she was in, supposedly, Chonburi.

In Chonburi she talked about us getting a condo in Chonburi and living there at first, saying she'd come back to CM first, this week.

Now, this out the window. Instead she says she'll work in Chonburi until 20 Feb, then meet with me again and go to Phuket. But refuses to send a Google maps schreenshot showing where she is.

So this refusal, coupled with her refusal to do any phone call for 7 days, hardly texting, refusing to send a photo with her aunt, refusing to do a video of her room with her aunt in it, and refusing to send a location share, all this makes me far too uncomfortable.

Besides, it would neve work to be apart for 6 weeks, since she hardly texts and does no phone calls. Everything would die.

So I ended it. She protested she's with her sister. I told her to send proof, but obviously there will be none.

You must be heartbroken?

Or just ended a chapter and a new coming ?

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

I pointed out prostitutes are human to :D

Seems you take out what happened to you on this forum to everyone for anything ;-)

When you are in a relationship with an Asian, and you create something together, of course there necessary to measure your return from your investment. Cant just give and give without anything back, same goes for feelings, you need feedback to stimulate continuity.

So yes there is a mix of both when you are the main provider and you also create a life together where you invest and produce things to be sustainable in the future. We both contributes to each other one way or the other. Not that hard, but easy to pick apart if you want and especially if you want to generalize our situation.

Yes, indeed they are human. Humans that have sunk to a level at which I do not wish to join them. Of course, you are welcome to take them on. Be your guest.

I understand that you feel the need to justify why you are having to pay to keep your Asian partner. I did not have to do so with mine, so your theory doesn't hold water for me. Where is she now? Ready for me to join her. But that is not my choice for now.

I'm not knocking you. You made what you think/thought was the best choice for you. It's great that you have created some kind of stability in your life. That's all that I need to say about that.

For me, I have love and I didn't need to buy it. It's as simple as that. That's the truth.

20 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

So to summarize:

She asked me to come with her to Phuket on 20 February, meet in BKK fly to Phuket.

As that would be 6 weeks down the line, she's hardly texting and could text even less if she gets a job, doesn't do phone calls, I told her it's not acceptable. There's no way I'd wait 6 weeks to see her again.

Instead i offered to come to Chonburi next week. When I therefore asked her to send a screenshot showing where her condo is, her room number, she refused and said she'd already sent address details.

Given her refusal to show where she was I then ended it with her.

She insisted she was with the sister of a relative, and that I did not understand. That she just wanted to get as much money as possible to go to Phuket on 20 February with me, to get her graduation certificate. And she'd come back with me to Chiang Mai to study then.

I told her we're done unless she sends a Whatsapp video showing her room with her relative in it.

Her whole story that she'd go to Sisaket for her mother's birthday and vote was a lie. She claims she spent 2 days in Sisaket and then her aunt said "Oh I'm going to Chonburi why don't you come I have a job in a fruit factory for you".

I am not buying this story. She spent two days pretending she was in Sisaket when she was in, supposedly, Chonburi.

In Chonburi she talked about us getting a condo in Chonburi and living there at first, saying she'd come back to CM first, this week.

Now, this out the window. Instead she says she'll work in Chonburi until 20 Feb, then meet with me again and go to Phuket. But refuses to send a Google maps schreenshot showing where she is.

So this refusal, coupled with her refusal to do any phone call for 7 days, hardly texting, refusing to send a photo with her aunt, refusing to do a video of her room with her aunt in it, and refusing to send a location share, all this makes me far too uncomfortable.

Besides, it would neve work to be apart for 6 weeks, since she hardly texts and does no phone calls. Everything would die.

So I ended it. She protested she's with her sister. I told her to send proof, but obviously there will be none.

It says it all in your OP. You just chose to ignore it. Your ego telling you that you could tame her 😊