3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

... already now she's not texting or updating me, she's not doing phone calls or video calls.

....clearly I have to draw a line. The last thing I want is to go to Chonburi and then find out she's in Bangkok, Phuket or Pattaya. So I needed some honesty from her, some info about her whereabouts, but she refuses.

IMO the best choice is to block and forget her. Move on. life is great in Thailand especially if you have decent funds like it seems the case.

If you like the drama to continue (and I know a lot of guys who actually need drama to feel alive for some unknown reason) I have a good idea. Travel to Pattaya, book a nice hotel, have a great time. Send her a message like "Hey there, I decided to visit some friends in Pattaya. Wanna meet up?" and see where this leads.

If she is in fact in Chonburi she might be in front of your hotel within the hour. If she is there in 20 you know she was in Pattaya. But more likely she is off with some dude vacationing in Bali. Sending him to the airport February 20th.

Baiting and bickering posts removed. Discuss the topic not other posters.

5 minutes ago, mangkut70 said:

Seriously? After 173 pages?

Yes. Seriously. There is no evidence that clearly says she's doing this or that.

Obviously, the later part of that quote clarifies that I think on the balance of probabilities it's more likely that there is something of concern going on.

But the reality is that there is insufficient information for anyone to make a final determination.

It's all very well for Richard et al to make comedy generalisations "oh she's boning a client har har har", but I have to deal with reality. The fact of the matter is that there is not sufficient information to really know what's going on.

3 minutes ago, mangkut70 said:

IMO the best choice is to block and forget her. Move on. life is great in Thailand especially if you have decent funds like it seems the case.

If you like the drama to continue (and I know a lot of guys who actually need drama to feel alive for some unknown reason) I have a good idea. Travel to Pattaya, book a nice hotel, have a great time. Send her a message like "Hey there, I decided to visit some friends in Pattaya. Wanna meet up?" and see where this leads.

If she is in fact in Chonburi she might be in front of your hotel within the hour. If she is there in 20 you know she was in Pattaya. But more likely she is off with some dude vacationing in Bali.

Unfortunately this is a real possibility, that some guy sent her a text, "hey let's go to Ko Samui" or Bali or wherever. Of course that can't be discounted. But there is zero evidence for this, so this hypothesis is just as valid as saying she is looking for jobs in Chonburi.

It's not that I like drama. I'm just so deep in now, that I might as well ride it out to any resolution, whether that is meeting in Bangkok or Chonburi or Pattaya. Or indeed her saying, "hey, I have to tell you, I'm with a guy in Ko Samui".

If she were in Bali, of course it would be rather pointless to travel to Pattaya. I would only travel if I have certainty where she is. And I don't.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Yes. Seriously. There is no evidence that clearly says she's doing this or that.

Obviously, the later part of that quote clarifies that I think on the balance of probabilities it's more likely that there is something of concern going on.

But the reality is that there is insufficient information for anyone to make a final determination.

It's all very well for Richard et al to make comedy generalisations "oh she's boning a client har har har", but I have to deal with reality. The fact of the matter is that there is not sufficient information to really know what's going on.

There is a phrase for this, but I'm pretty sure that it isn't allowed on this forum, even though it's now been X-rated.

Just now, Cameroni said:

Unfortunately this is a real possibility, that some guy sent her a text, "hey let's go to Ko Samui" or Bali or wherever. Of course that can't be discounted. But there is zero evidence for this, so this hypothesis is just as valid as saying she is looking for jobs in Chonburi.

It's not that I like drama. I'm just so deep in now, that I might as well ride it out to any resolution, whether that is meeting in Bangkok or Chonburi or Pattaya. Or indeed her saying, "hey, I have to tell you, I'm with a guy in Ko Samui".

If she were in Bali, of course it would be rather pointless to travel to Pattaya. I would only travel if I have certainty where she is. And I don't.

She's NOT looking for jobs in Chonburi 😊

4 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

She's NOT looking for jobs in Chonburi 😊

And you know this how exactly?

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

And you know this how exactly?

Experience.

There is NO WAY that girl is looking for a low paying job in Chonburi, during super peak season in Pattaya and surrounds. She either already has commitments or is working with her friend/s.

31 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Yes. Seriously. There is no evidence that clearly says she's doing this or that.

 

Whatever she is doing… it’s pretty clear you are not on top of her list. Maybe does not even have to do with you personally. Maybe it’s as simple as what you wrote in the OP: she is not interested in having a serious relationship or settling down with someone. She just does what she does and enjoys her youth, beauty and the power over men which comes with it.

 

In my experience, if an Asian girl (and again – it does make little difference if a regular girl or p4p) sees you as her best prospect, she would be there with you, in fact not letting go of you. Probably pressuring you to let her move in your apartment, starting to hang her dresses in your wardrobe and sh*** like this. (Actually, rather difficult to get rid off)

7 minutes ago, mangkut70 said:

it’s pretty clear you are not on top of her list.

That looks to be increasingly the case. Though she still texts every day and yesterday wanted me to go to Phuket with her, her texting is almost non existent, no calls, not acceeding to what I ask such as location shares.

She just sent me the first photo of her room.

It's not super luxury, but a bit too upmarket for a room rented by an old woman in Chonburi maybe.

Not giving me good vibes.

Says she's in a cafe near her room now.

When I asked if we can call, she said she's on her tablet, so no.

I replied, what do you mean, surely you can do a Whatsapp call on your Ipad?

• Cam, give up

• Consult your pipeline

• Post a progress report.

This is the photo she sent.

Any view on what the black arc in the photo is? Or the quality of the room?

6 minutes ago, Bacon1 said:

• Cam, give up

• Consult your pipeline

• Post a progress report.

Well, I'm preparing internally to detach, but I'd still like to see what will happen here.

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Well, I'm preparing internally to detach, but I'd still like to see what will happen here.

Is it time for a Batman slapp?

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Is it time for a Batman slapp?

Not really.

It would be time for that if she were terrorizing me, making my life worse and having a major negative impact on my life.

However, for now she is texting, saying we should meet in BKK and go to Phuket in late February, whilst not calling much, not texting much and not sending photos and videos. I can handle that.

Oh well whether she's working in a factory or doing something else it's not good news. She's not a good liar - the whole factory thing made no sense.

She has you in mind for the big expensive trip to Phuket which happens to coincide with her birthday so you can give her the big expensive birthday present. Accept it was fun and that you gave it a red hot go but galz will be galz and there is nothing to be gained but humiliation at this point.

23 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

This is the photo she sent.

Any view on what the black arc in the photo is? Or the quality of the room?

Did you crop the photo? No phone takes photos of that ratio naturally...and the quality is horrible. She seems to have gone to extraordinary lengths to remove any incriminating details.

It's cold at night, where is the comforter? No sheets on the bed and just one pillow? 😊

Is she doing in-calls?

People only crop photos when they want to hide something. Why is she not even looking at the camera and why is the photo mirrored? The whole thing is weird. Why are you putting yourself through that? Find yourself a normal girl 😊

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Not really.

It would be time for that if she were terrorizing me, making my life worse and having a major negative impact on my life.

However, for now she is texting, saying we should meet in BKK and go to Phuket in late February, whilst not calling much, not texting much and not sending photos and videos. I can handle that.

So then agree to meet in late Feb and forget about her for now. Back to your pipeline.

Forget about love and just have fun.

6 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Did you crop the photo? No phone takes photos of that ratio naturally...and the quality is horrible. She seems to have gone to extraordinary lengths to remove any incriminating details.

No, I think she made the photo by taking a photo of herself in a mirror. So this room probably has a mirror wardrobe she used as the canvas to take her pic.

6 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

It's cold at night, where is the comforter? No sheets on the bed and just one pillow?

The place probably has several bedrooms. I note her things are not in there. So she probably sleeps in a different room and just took the photo in the smaller second bedroom to make it look like it's a small room.

What is that black arc though?

47 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

This is the photo she sent.

Any view on what the black arc in the photo is? Or the quality of the room?

Looks like a 3 star hotel room. Bottle of water and tv remote on beside table is typical.

Its not one of the bedrooms in a bigger apartment. It is simply a cheaper room in a 2 or 3 star hotel. 20 square meters and not much in the room. She must really love that dress as its the same one she wore in photos up in the north.

6 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Bottle of water and tv remote on beside table is typical.

I saw that as well. None of her things there.

Just now, marin said:

Its not one of the bedrooms in a bigger apartment. It is simply a cheaper room in a 2 or 3 star hotel. 20 square meters and not much in the room.

Actually that gives me some comfort. It's more in line with the staying with a relative in a cheap place narrative. Rather than living up in a nice condo with a farang.

1 minute ago, marin said:

She must really love that dress as its the same one she wore in photos up in the north.

Yes indeed. It's a dress Filipina Virgin wore, but it's one of the few she actually took with her.

23 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Not really.

It would be time for that if she were terrorizing me, making my life worse and having a major negative impact on my life.

Look...it's clear that you are trying to put a brave face on this, but she IS torturing you and she IS making your life worse.

You were on to Filipina Girl for support and she asked you to buy her clothes... All of that is simply humiliating and it's become completely normal to you.

So now this girl is completely taking the urine out of you, you are acting as if it is par for the course. This is the life that you have created for yourself. Abuse and chaos the norm.

Remove yourself from the insanity and find yourself a normal woman.

Only romance scammers and the like, go to that much trouble to set the scene. She could send you an unadulterated picture in a few seconds. That heavily cropped pic took her days and it's quite abnormal.

iPhone X has a 12MP camera. Your pic is 0.2MP.

It's not going to get better. Once someone starts lying, they need to continue with their web of deceit.

If my girl goes on a business trip, I get a video of the room and video and pics of the surrounding area. Not because I asked, but because it is natural for us to share what's going on in our lives.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

This is the photo she sent.

Any view on what the black arc in the photo is? Or the quality of the room?

Shadow from her lips ???

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

She obviously decided that I wasn't giving her enough money, that she could make more on her own. Which she probably can't. Unless she really is an escort or bargirl which is 95% certainly not the case.

Which there's a 99% certainty IS the case !!!...

- Its the only reason she's there (to make money)

- Its the only reasons she wont video call

- Its the only reason she's active text afternoons evening

- Its the only reason she wont send you her location

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

It's all very well for Richard et al to make comedy generalisations "oh she's boning a client har har har", but I have to deal with reality. The fact of the matter is that there is not sufficient information to really know what's going on.

Pretty much everything you've written over the past 173 pages is sufficient information !!!

She's on the game - IF not, why can't you visit - its just that simple.

1 hour ago, emptypockets said:

Looks like a 3 star hotel room. Bottle of water and tv remote on beside table is typical.

Thats a rent by the-hour-room.... and thats not a remote - its a 12 pack of trojans !

2 hours ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

Look...it's clear that you are trying to put a brave face on this, but she IS torturing you and she IS making your life worse.

Brave face on what? There is no "torture". Was I disappointed she left, sure? Or that she lied about voting in Sisaket? Sure. Would I like her to call me more and update me? Sure. But the sun still shines. I still get to have my chocolate cream Tayoyaki and Tom Kung friend rice. And it looks like we'll be reunited soon anyway, just not as soon I'd like.

2 hours ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

You were on to Filipina Girl for support and she asked you to buy her clothes... All of that is simply humiliating and it's become completely normal to you.

Lol, no dude, she asked me to send her the clothes she left here in my house.

2 hours ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

So now this girl is completely taking the urine out of you, you are acting as if it is par for the course. This is the life that you have created for yourself. Abuse and chaos the norm.

There may well be something underhand going on, there may not be. However, chaos, deception and lies is the nature of the beast when you deal with women, if you can't accept that, don't date any women. Abuse? Let's not get carried away.