2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

All of my posts is me, so you take what you want from it, and I can not change that, and seriously why should I bother. You and me are truly nobodies here at this forum, nagging at each other with our perspetives on our lives, and how we want to be seen or read. I have my weaknesses as anybody else on here, and have said many times, being so much on the forum as you and me, is not healthy and says something about us. And it doesnt look good at all. We have accept that, we are stuck here for the moment, and who knows for how long.

It doesnt mean we have poor life, or anything else, but it means our priorities is somewhere it is not productive. That’s the core truth

So who do you want to be when you grow up ? I miss working, I truly miss working, and what I do now, is not working, even I do get 4-5 hours everyday doing something, but for one who is used to work 12 - 16 hours a day when working, this is not enough to stimulate my better side and be productive. But I know when I again settle here for good, and no more travelling, then I will be back in business.

So in the meantime, you and me just have to cope along as good we can without pissing off the moderators to much.

Have a great day

I'm coping okay. I don't miss working, as I decided that my time was worth more than money. So I ran my own businesses and focussed my time on personal relationships instead. So you see, I have far more experience than for which you give me credit. You assumed that you were the adult in the room.

I don't assume. I observe.

8 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

I'm coping okay. I don't miss working, as I decided that my time was worth more than money. So I ran my own businesses and focussed my time on personal relationships instead. So you see, I have far more experience than for which you give me credit. You assumed that you were the adult in the room.

I don't assume. I observe.

Well, at least you giving your best try, I give you that.

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Well, at least you giving your best try, I give you that.

🙄

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

I hate it. It's hell, and the next three weeks would be even worse. ..

I think I’m just having a prophetic moment…

Three weeks down the line in February and another 120 pages here…

She won’t come to visit you because… (choose any reason)

You will be devastated along the lines of “Oh my god, how can she do this to me? After all I did for her. Such a betrayal, she is such a liar, now it’s over!”

Just to shortly after—maybe even in the same post—find a whole list of reasons and excuses why she had to behave this way. This poor innocent thing.

It ends with swearing your undying love to this irreplaceable gem and willingness to endure.

Then the reactions will come in, mostly amused in the “I told you so” range, and some will very understandably doubt if any of this is true.

And then the next episode will follow to keep readers entertained. And the show goes on.

All that matters ..........

How many times did you bang her, and how much did it cost?

5 minutes ago, mangkut70 said:

I think I’m just having a prophetic moment…

Three weeks down the line in February and another 120 pages here…

She won’t come to visit you because… (choose any reason)

You will be devastated along the lines of “Oh my god, how can she do this to me? After all I did for her. Such a betrayal, she is such a liar, now it’s over!”

Just to shortly after—maybe even in the same post—find a whole list of reasons and excuses why she had to behave this way. This poor innocent thing.

It ends with swearing your undying love to this irreplaceable gem and willingness to endure.

Then the reactions will come in, mostly amused in the “I told you so” range, and some will very understandably doubt if any of this is true.

And then the next episode will follow to keep readers entertained. And the show goes on.

No, if she doesn't come by 9 February it'll clearly be over. I'm already getting annoyed with her now.

I'm trying to get at the real reason why she said yesterday she wants to leave his house. First she's giving me the "I already told you". Which she didn't of course, she only said she thought she want to leave, but not why.

So as I continue to probe she now says "I was just a little angry. The cat poops a lot and I have to clean it up". It told her she would have that cat for a long time, and knows what it does. Surely she didn't decide to leave because the cat poops too much??? What kind of nonsese is this? Unless she had an argument with the Austrian over the cat poop cleaning.

If that were the case then it would be very bad, because she wouldn't have had any insight how wrong her situation is, she would have been merely too lazy to clean cat poop! Which actually sounds more like her!

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

No, if she doesn't come by 9 February it'll clearly be over. I'm already getting annoyed with her now.

I'm trying to get at the real reason why she said yesterday she wants to leave his house. First she's giving me the "I already told you". Which she didn't of course, she only said she thought she want to leave, but not why.

So as I continue to probe she now says "I was just a little angry. The cat poops a lot and I have to clean it up". It told her she would have that cat for a long time, and knows what it does. Surely she didn't decide to leave because the cat poops too much??? What kind of nonsese is this? Unless she had an argument with the Austrian over the cat poop cleaning.

If that were the case then it would be very bad, because she wouldn't have had any insight how wrong her situation is, she would have been merely too lazy to clean cat poop! Which actually sounds more like her!

So she got mad and left previously because an apartment wasn't cleaned. Nearly this time because of cat poo not being cleaned up.

Whereas, you are "continually moving your 'red lines'. If Bangkok Girl doesn't arrive, I'll stop sending money. But yet, you still continued to send money and she continued to not visit.

Similarly with Phuket Girl... you are a slave to your weakness and so you need a slave to match. But she refuses to be tied down, because she wants to be free...but she also wants money. Her way is the closest she can get to freedom, until she can escape the bondage. Sometimes her captor does that by dying or they just succumb to the Stockholm Syndrome. You are just the back up plan.

The first ever Thai girl I met in Pattaya told me that she had an old man taking care of her, but that she loved me. I said, cannot. You are weak.

13 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

No, if she doesn't come by 9 February it'll clearly be over. I'm already getting annoyed with her now.

I'm trying to get at the real reason why she said yesterday she wants to leave his house. First she's giving me the "I already told you". Which she didn't of course, she only said she thought she want to leave, but not why.

So as I continue to probe she now says "I was just a little angry. The cat poops a lot and I have to clean it up". It told her she would have that cat for a long time, and knows what it does. Surely she didn't decide to leave because the cat poops too much??? What kind of nonsese is this? Unless she had an argument with the Austrian over the cat poop cleaning.

If that were the case then it would be very bad, because she wouldn't have had any insight how wrong her situation is, she would have been merely too lazy to clean cat poop! Which actually sounds more like her!

As longer this plays out here at this forum, the bigger risk he finds out by coincidence or someone pointing out your thread to him, and he confronts her.

In a real scenario, thats very likely going to happen, so waiting for next turn and twist.

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

As longer this plays out here at this forum, the bigger risk he finds out by coincidence or someone pointing out your thread to him, and he confronts her.

In a real scenario, thats very likely going to happen, so waiting for next turn and twist.

...and like @Cameroni he might blame himself for shouting at her and...so she jumps between them at will, doing whatever she wants. Running rings around the old men who tried to buy her love. Until they try to force her to make a choice.

Quite possibly he has already told her that if she leaves, it's for the last time...

23 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

So she got mad and left previously because an apartment wasn't cleaned. Nearly this time because of cat poo not being cleaned up.

That was the actual reason. They had a little argument about who has to clean up the cat poo. She thought he had to do it.

And I thought she had an epiphany, had seen the light, that sleeping with this old guy was wrong and wanted to leave because she thought she was doing me wrong. But she was just too lazy to clean up cat poo.

Then we agreed to meet in Bangkok on 27th. But she said she has to go back on the 1st already for the advance vote. When I protested that's only 4 days she said just come to Phuket.

This girl is starting to be a problem.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

You've not met her. She has this sweetness, this innocence, coupled with animal sexuality, fun, courage...she's not replaceable.

Any woman that lies, manipulates, sells her body and cheats is easily replaceable. There are hundreds of thousands of pretty,decent, funny, mentally stable from decent families, dependable, working DDF women around. Again, you have to look at yourself and what you want, what you deserve and then find the equivalent in a woman, not a girl.

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

That was the actual reason. They had a little argument about who has to clean up the cat poo. She thought he had to do it.

And I thought she had an epiphany, had seen the light, that sleeping with this old guy was wrong and wanted to leave because she thought she was doing me wrong. But she was just too lazy to clean up cat poo.

Then we agreed to meet in Bangkok on 27th. But she said she has to go back on the 1st already for the advance vote. When I protested that's only 4 days she said just come to Phuket.

This girl is starting to be a problem.

Do you mean the kind of girl who would leave her kids with her parents and go off in search of a 'better life'? Thinking that sending money home is enough of a parental responsibility. Spends a couple of days with them and then off again?

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Any woman that lies, manipulates, sells her body and cheats is easily replaceable. There are hundreds of thousands of pretty,decent, funny, mentally stable from decent families, dependable, working DDF women around. Again, you have to look at yourself and what you want, what you deserve and then find the equivalent in a woman, not a girl.

Your words fall on deaf ears. He knows what he wants.

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Any woman that lies, manipulates, sells her body and cheats is easily replaceable. There are hundreds of thousands of pretty,decent, funny, mentally stable from decent families, dependable, working DDF women around. Again, you have to look at yourself and what you want, what you deserve and then find the equivalent in a woman, not a girl.

Well, she lied and manipulated, I can't deny that. Selling a body/p4p and all that, it's a fine line, she's with an ex, and yes getting money, I'd say more serial dater definitely not a sex worker in the commercial sense. But like I say, it's a fine line.

As for other women, I'm fine with her, if she would just not sleep with this guy.

I told her, if you would leave over a cat, can't you leave to spare me the agony of seeing you sleeping in another man's bed for 3 weeks? To save our relationship?

She replied, but it's a huge waste of money, cause she'd have to go back to Phuket to vote.

I know I don't deserve what she did to me, but she can still put this right.

Just now, Cameroni said:

Well, she lied and manipulated, I can't deny that. Selling a body/p4p and all that, it's a fine line, she's with an ex, and yes getting money, I'd say more serial dater definitely not a sex worker in the commercial sense. But like I say, it's a fine line.

As for other women, I'm fine with her, if she would just not sleep with this guy.

I told her, if you would leave over a cat, can't you leave to spare me the agony of seeing you sleeping in another man's bed for 3 weeks? To save our relationship?

She replied, but it's a huge waste of money, cause she'd have to go back to Phuket to vote.

I know I don't deserve what she did to me, but she can still put this right.

I'd say definitely a sex worker, a freelancer instead of one working with a bar. As has been said in many pages long before this. You can't assume what she does or who she does it with. Her going with another man should have told you all you need to know.

Again, there are many , many "women" here and fooling around with girls will get you this same result, and possible a disease you may not be able to cure.

They can vote anywhere. Most only go back to their village to see kids they left behind or family they see a couple of times a year.

You were talking to other women, so in reality you deserve the dishonesty, but life is not about deserve. If it was, the population would be half of what it is because the bad men would never get laid.

Who she's with has nothing to do with who they are. There are plenty of 63 year old men who take good care of themselves and are just as attractive as 40 year olds, with more time spent with women in their lives, especially older women. Men don't lose the ability to please a woman with age, just some desire for the amount of sex. It's money that drives the girls, and women here. Attraction isn't the first thing with foreigners. With locals yes, just like western men and women.

I'm really worried she has BPD now.

The constant changes of plan. Her anger issues. It all fits.

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

can't you leave to spare me the agony of seeing you sleeping in another man's bed for 3 weeks? To save our relationship?

Sleeping I think not. More along the lines of doing all the crazy sexual things you enjoyed with her. Think of all the things that she is an expert at and that turn you on. Then think she is doing those same things with at least one other man you know about, and most likely others. How can you even think about a relationship with someone who will have spent the last 3 weeks, kissing, su*&ing and fu*&king this guy/these guys to death? Damn dude....

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

I'd say definitely a sex worker, a freelancer instead of one working with a bar. As has been said in many pages long before this. You can't assume what she does or who she does it with. Her going with another man should have told you all you need to know.

No, women go back to their ex. It doesn't make them a sex worker. Come on.

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

There are plenty of 63 year old men who take good care of themselves and are just as attractive as 40 year olds,

Not this guy. I've seen him. He's obese, and he colours his hair with that fake yellow brown mix boy bands used to use, he looks ridiculous. Puffy faced. And now broken hands.

1 minute ago, marin said:

Sleeping I think not. More along the lines of doing all the crazy sexual things you enjoyed with her.

She did it at the begining for sure. Says she had sex with him 5 times for now. But swears she will not have sex with him anymore now.

But anyway, that's not good enough for me. Even if she would just sleep next to this guy for 3 weeks. It's too much.

2 minutes ago, marin said:

How can you even think about a relationship with someone who will have spent the last 3 weeks, kissing, su*&ing and fu*&king this guy

Well, she did all that with him before she came here for the first time. What's the difference? Lol? Same same.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Well, she did all that with him before she came here for the first time. What's the difference? Lol? Same same.

Sorry mate, but you are pitiful. If you cant do better than this, give it up. I seriously mean that.

1 minute ago, marin said:

Sorry mate, but you are pitiful. If you cant do better than this, give it up. I seriously mean that.

She did that before she came the first time. I don't see the difference as regards the actual acts. Betrayal, sure. But the acts themselves, she would have done that with him before she came the first time.

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

No, women go back to their ex. It doesn't make them a sex worker. Come on.

Not this guy. I've seen him. He's obese, and he colours his hair with that fake yellow brown mix boy bands used to use, he looks ridiculous. Puffy faced. And now broken hands.

We are talking about this woman. Not any others. Getting paid for sex is a sex worker. Yes, he might be obese, color his hair and look ridiculous, but you aren't seeing him like she does. A man can be all that and still know what he's doing with women. Again, with her money is involved, so his looks pale by comparison to her and other like her.

4 minutes ago, marin said:

Sorry mate, but you are pitiful. If you cant do better than this, give it up. I seriously mean that.

He is so weak ,it is pathetic.

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Getting paid for sex is a sex worker.

No, no, no, she's not getting paid for sex. This 63 year old thinks she's his girlfriend. He's not paying for sex. He's paying for his girlfriend, an allowance. Nothing to do with sex work.

She's not about money. I sent her 6000 baht yesterday. She just sent it back. She didn't have to do that. She could have just kept it. She's straight when it comes to money.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

No, no, no, she's not getting paid for sex. This 63 year old thinks she's his girlfriend. He's not paying for sex. He's paying for his girlfriend, an allowance. Nothing to do with sex work.

She's not about money. I sent her 6000 baht yesterday. She just sent it back. She didn't have to do that. She could have just kept it. She's straight when it comes to money.

Again, most here have given you advice about this girl from our own experiences, but you still want to stay with someone you yourself called bad. They're all about money.

Why would you send money to a girl that's with another man, that you know has lied and has told you she doesn't want you to visit, then does, then changes her mind like the wind?

And again, she's very immature in her actions, and if sex is what you really want, and not a decent women you can have a relationship with, just do what all the others here do and pay.

You also can't know if money given is an allowance if you don't know her thinking. You also don't know this man or what he thinks. Again, what she does and what you actually know are your assumptions. She could be telling the truth about some things and lying about others. That's what many here do, as lying to locals is accepted as a normal behavior.

52 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I know I don't deserve what she did to me,

Based on your own admissions, regarding your own behavior, over the last 110 pages, you absolutely deserve everything she did to you...and more. What goes around comes around. Treat people the way you want to be treated.

16 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Why would you send money to a girl that's with another man, that you know has lied and has told you she doesn't want you to visit, then does, then changes her mind like the wind?

So she comes back obviously. She says she wants me to visit, she's just now again asked me to come to Phuket. But it's not what I want. If I leave Phuket then what, she again goes to sleep in bed with the 63 year old? I asked her to come to CM today or tomorrow. Yesterday she wanted to leave over a cat. But now she can't leave to spare me the suffering of seeing her in bed with another guy. She said "Not now".

Obviously she wants to stay in Phuket for some reason.

It's not selfish of me asking her not to sleep with this guy anymore, and to come to CM. It's just asking her to do what's right.

She betrayed me, and this has gone on for 2 weeks now. It's enough. She wants to sleep in his bed for another 3 weeks and thinks nothing of it.

Yesterday she wanted to leave over a cat. But she could not care less if I ask her to leave for me.

She can choose freely, to stay with him or to come here. i would send her money for the ticket.

If she chooses to stay there with him, no amount of promises that she'll come back to me on 9th Feb would suffice, surely? Even if she did that. She needs to stop sleeping in this guy's bed now.

Even her saying "come to Phuket" and that I could change it if I come down to see her in Phuket, because she'd stay with me, are enough. As soon as I leave, she'd again go to live with him. None of this is satisfactory.

Maybe it is time to break up. If she likes his money so much that she wants to stay there with him. Then so be it. But if she can't come to me, when she has the ability to do so, I think she really does not care for me.

I know she doesn't love him. She cheated on him twice already. Then she came to me. Okay, I made a mistake and texted an ex, so she got angry and was stranded in Sisaket and then thought, I'll just go back to Phuket. This guy welcomed her with open arms and an open wallet, let her stay for free, promised to buy an Iphone. Okay.

But she clearly doesn't love him, she was on Thaifriendly trying to find other guys whilst staying with him, and texting me non-stop as well. Promising she'd come back on 9 Feb.

I can see there' s already trouble with these two, they had a fight over who cleans the cat droppings and in time, no doubt this will unravel and she'll leave and I could get her.

But right now she can put an end to this. I'd send her money to fly to CM. There's no reason for her to say "not now". Unless she is really attracted to the money of this 63 year old and she loves it there.

If so she can stay there. I think I need to put an end to this, if she's prepared to leave over a cat, but not for me, when i tell her I can't stand the idea of her sleeping with another guy.

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I know she doesn't love him. She cheated on him twice already. Then she came to me. Okay, I made a mistake and texted an ex, so she got angry and was stranded in Sisaket and then thought, I'll just go back to Phuket. This guy welcomed her with open arms and an open wallet, let her stay for free, promised to buy an Iphone. Okay.

But she clearly doesn't love him, she was on Thaifriendly trying to find other guys whilst staying with him, and texting me non-stop as well. Promising she'd come back on 9 Feb.

I can see there' s already trouble with these two, they had a fight over who cleans the cat droppings and in time, no doubt this will unravel and she'll leave and I could get her.

But right now she can put an end to this. I'd send her money to fly to CM. There's no reason for her to say "not now". Unless she is really attracted to the money of this 63 year old and she loves it there.

If so she can stay there. I think I need to put an end to this, if she's prepared to leave over a cat, but not for me, when i tell her I can't stand the idea of her sleeping with another guy.

And you were wondering if she loved you, so there's your answer. Love has little to do with many of these women. They want things, and the one who gives them the most things, at least for awhile, she stays with. Again, you don't know what or how she thinks. You only know what you see while you're with her, and nothing otherwise. You do realize there are thousands of girls like this you can spend your money on right? Some might even be honest.