2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Fair enough. But did you know Cristina Applegate and Brad Pitt used to date? Have you seen her lately? Have you seen what Brad Pitt looks like? Whom he is dating?

Men who are good looking have a massively longer shelf life. Life favours us. Time is on our side.

Sorry, but that's the truth.

I was talking about women.

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I'd tend to agree - the use of the term 'upper' tier is to label their socio-educational-economic status - its a qualifier to identify rather than a measurement of character.

They wouldn't let you control them and check your phone ? They had options so didn't need to put up with being controlled ?

Throughout this thread - you've claimed people who date financially independent women to be fabricating a story - make your mind up.

Agreed - socio-educational-economic status is not a measure of character. Neither is judging a woman who is desperate to sleep with a man for money - however, what is bizare is the person who fails at a fundamentally basic level to identify this dynamic.

Others might suggest 200 pages too late !!!

Yet you made such claims repeatedly...

Also Cannelloni made up the concept of 'upper-tier' women and introduced that concept, you or I have never mention the word or anything about class, we have just been talking about women who got off their backsides, pursued a business or a career and the effort it takes to succeed and then marry, be with whoever they wished to be with without needing financial support becoming part of that relations ship which was the aim of their success in the first place.

But that would not suit Cannelloni as such women would not want to be controlled, have their messages checked, asked about where they have been and with whom all day long, they worked for their financial independence to avoid such mad men.

Of course he will claim well off women are boring and he does not want to be with them, I bet the truth is it is the other way around, they do not want to be with such a person.

And being a good looking woman and being financially independent are not mutually exclusive.

I should send Cams an invoice, the hours I have wasted on this chat when those hours could have been spent on finishing my current iPhone app earlier and putting on the App Store for sale. 😃

But it is a laugh in-between taking 'work' breaks, notice the word 'work' is in inverted commas.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Well, nobody would want to have sex with her.

As you well know.

The poor woman is about to go through menopause.

Well, no one wanted to have sex with 9.5 besides the Austrian cripple.....

15 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

its a qualifier to identify rather than a measurement of character.

Exactly. And it is character that counts. Whether she is from Isaan, Bangkok or Chiang Mai.

16 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

They wouldn't let you control them and check your phone ?

Terribly demanding and hard to please. Calculating. Much prefer the other option.

16 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Throughout this thread - you've claimed people who date financially independent women to be fabricating a story - make your mind up.

No, I have called out patently obviously LIARS who claimed they do not pay for their women. You, after some time, and to your great credit, have outlined how much you pay for your woman. Which we all, of course do. And yet, there are LIARS among us who claim they pay nothing for their women, because they are so likeable. This is the people who I called out for fabricating a story.

18 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Yet you made such claims repeatedly..

Well, I can't lie, can I? Reality is what it is.

22 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Well, no one wanted to have sex with 9.5 besides the Austrian cripple.....

Not my cup of tea

27 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Well, no one wanted to have sex with 9.5 besides the Austrian cripple....

Oh, how I wish that were true.

How I wish.

14 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Exactly. And it is character that counts. Whether she is from Isaan, Bangkok or Chiang Mai.

Terribly demanding and hard to please. Calculating. Much prefer the other option.

No, I have called out patently obviously LIARS who claimed they do not pay for their women. You, after some time, and to your great credit, have outlined how much you pay for your woman. Which we all, of course do. And yet, there are LIARS among us who claim they pay nothing for their women, because they are so likeable. This is the people who I called out for fabricating a story.

Well, I can't lie, can I? Reality is what it is.

You said, "And yet, there are LIARS among us who claim they pay nothing for their women, because they are so likeable. This is the people who I called out for fabricating a story."

We are the people who are in mutual relationships where money does not come into it as we both have it, I have, she has, it is probably hard for you to understand as all of your relationships seem to be based on money otherwise the woman would not be with you.

Give it a try, take up my challenge and prove the woman is still with you when the money is taken out of the equations as I described in an earlier message.

What about when you were young and went to parties, dance clubs, pubs and met young good looking women, did you have to pay for them as I certainly didn't.

You have a very strange attitude to relationships, eg if we men do not pay for a woman to be with us we are automatically liars, such a weird view of the real world, you probably just have a view of your world.

Or as I keep on saying you could just be taking the pisssssss out of us and we are falling for it, if so, then well done as you have won if that is the truth. 😀

52 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Maybe Cameroni needs reminding. I got some of her best pictures from thaifriendly where she tries to make an impression.

Id like to see those pics. Can you dm me.

28 minutes ago, JamesPhuket10 said:

Or as I keep on saying you could just be taking the pisssssss out of us and we are falling for it, if so, then well done as you have won if that is the truth. 😀

No doubt there is a basis of truth in this tale, but Mr Cameroni is playing us like a fiddle. Nevertheless, it makes an amusing thread.

Some of the regular posters here are playing along with the game and making it most entertaining.

Not many topics exceed 250 pages. One that I remember was the "Grumpy Farang" topic - where members took great pleasure in getting to a hotel restaurant early, to prevent the "Grumpy Farang" from getting his favourite seat.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

First of all, I'm not old, I'm in my early fifties. And unlike Richard, I'm genetically blessed and still get plenty of looks, also from younger Thai girls, just saw it today again.

Bar girls don't count when checking yerrating !

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Secondly, psychologists have now concluded there is no such thing as a "midlife-crisis" anyway.

They'd study you and conclude the polar opposite - you're smack bank in the throes of one with smitten blissful ignorance - subject to your preference for leather or spandex you're a dash away from getting a Harley or Cannondale.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Thirdly, it's laughable to call the beautiful love affair I am currently living a "sugar daddy arrangement", it just makes me laugh.

It think its wonderful that you can join in with the rest of us and have a good laugh at yourself.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Anyway, I hope you will not be stuck in a long term loveless, boring LTR, like James and a few others on here. If you are, just get out. It can be done. Life can be great.

Sure.. it sounded great when the flubber-faced-floozy was smashing hitlers nephew and shopping for a good smashing on ThaiFriendly and Tinder.

1 hour ago, khaosokman said:

Well, no one wanted to have sex with 9.5 besides the Austrian cripple.....

Not my cup of tea

More like gargling battery acid..

With a face like Neapolitan Mastiff licking the pavement outside a bus-station it was clearly a very tough paper-round...

... and pregnancy took its toll...

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

1 hour ago, Celsius said:

Well, no one wanted to have sex with 9.5 besides the Austrian cripple....

Oh, how I wish that were true.

How I wish.

Indeed.... There are the mongers on ThaiFriendly & Tinder, and then Wolfgang bustanut and yourself who've been paying to bump uglies...

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Well, I can't lie, can I? Reality is what it is.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Exactly. And it is character that counts. Whether she is from Isaan, Bangkok or Chiang Mai.

Terribly demanding and hard to please. Calculating. Much prefer the other option.

No, I have called out patently obviously LIARS who claimed they do not pay for their women. You, after some time, and to your great credit, have outlined how much you pay for your woman. Which we all, of course do. And yet, there are LIARS among us who claim they pay nothing for their women, because they are so likeable. This is the people who I called out for fabricating a story.

Well, I can't lie, can I? Reality is what it is.

I guess you are calling me out then, because I don't pay and my women are far more attractive than the Michael Jackson lookalike pictured earlier. Terrible bags under her eyes in the first picture. Looks like she had a rough night. Maybe crying. Second picture, everything unnaturally ironed out.

In fact I went out with a new friend just the other day. Would not let me pay. I had to insist and suggest that maybe she get the drinks in. She bought me three drinks.

You are just paying for your turn. Your situation is nothing like any relationship that I've ever experienced.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Oh, how I wish that were true.

How I wish.

If it's your girl, you don't need to worry. But if she's simply on a retainer...

On 3/2/2026 at 4:49 PM, JamesPhuket10 said:

True, Isan has only been part of Thailand for 150 years, before it was in Laos, they have their own language, own culture, many (not all) of them seem to like to party, drink and gamble, completely different to the average Thai woman from say the South for example and Thais do not regard them as being really Thai.

I a not being nasty, I am just saying what I have been told by Thais over the last 30+ years, I did not make up their rules, I just observe them.

It is similar to the people in the UK, a Scotsman or Welsh would be annoyed if they were mistaken for English and would soon let you know, if an English guy was mistaken for a Scot or Welsh we would just say we are English.

I have seen this a lot while working in Germany as they call all of us English and England, the Scots and Welsh hate it.

Define “Thai”. The whole area was a melting pot for centuries. How many proud Thais in the central plains, looking down at Isaan, are in fact of Chinese descent, maybe third or fourth generation?! Not even talking about south Chinese origin of most of the Tai/Dai people, migrating to nowadays Thailand during 12^th century or so.

There has been quite a bit of Isaan- or Isaan-girl bashing going on here. Personally, I love this area: It's more down to earth, less developed, rawer in a way. Love the food (personally I think its better than usual Thai) , the landscape, the night-sky countryside, the people, the culture, the artistry and beauty of survival under sometimes harsh circumstances. But always with a smile. Nothing better than a sun rise at the banks of the Mekong.

Can't remember a place I was welcomed more, warmly, open, tolerant, despite I am a foreigner, don't even speak the language ( a bit of Thai, can read etc but don't speak Isaan/Lao...yet).

I travelled a lot while I lived and worked in SEA. Wild mix of experiences with cultures (and girls) around the whole region, some of the girls p4p, most not. Many decent ladies and marriage material. But funny enough in the end it was a girl from Isaan when it really 'clicked'. Obviously, something about this area and mentality is resonating very strongly with me (and some others as well I guess)

Living in Germany now for more than a decade left marks...sometimes missus behaves more German than the Germans. Its high time to return to the Mekong...

6 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Secondly, psychologists have now concluded there is no such thing as a "midlife-crisis" anyway.

Now that's a relief. I wasn't sure if what I was experiencing for the last few months was just normal frustration with Germany or a midlife crisis...

Those Austrians are really something

16 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Those Austrians are really something

Wedging ceremony sounds right. The two guys look creepy. Probably gay.

8 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Thirdly, it's laughable to call the beautiful love affair I am currently living a "sugar daddy arrangement", it just makes me laugh.

Does she work?

Call it whatever you want ... but if she has no income AND she comes from a poor family in Isaan .... it won't be cheap.

7 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Does she work?

Call it whatever you want ... but if she has no income AND she comes from a poor family in Isaan .... it won't be cheap.

Why won't it be cheap?

15 hours ago, Cameroni said:

like superiority fantasies regarding the good people of Isaan

I have no problem with Isaan ladies ... they can have wonderful personalities and many of them are beautiful ... BUT ...

they are trapped in the village. they come from the village and they seem to be only in the city to make money, but then need to go back at some point to take care of their parents OR simply because they cannot shake their village upbringing.

.... most of them will want you to move back to their village and build a home.

I don't think I can live out there and it does become a status game because the Isaan-Farang couples end up having the biggest homes in the village. I'm not interested in being the farang with a bigger home than the locals out in the middle of nowhere.

On 3/4/2026 at 12:27 AM, JamesPhuket10 said:

No problem, some guys have no choice but to select from the poor uneducated ones who just look for a guy to support them for the rest of their lives, some of us have a choice.

Obviously you need to repeat this endlessly to feed your ego! You should be proud or yourself. Impressive man you are!

So what is your real problem ? There is something about men who continuously cant let go of a such theme, but need to pin it in every moment they have time for it. Because honestly, your time is limited as you have said numerous times and here you are? Why ? What is it with this thread that makes you cringe so bad and so much. Thats the question :D

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

I have no problem with Isaan ladies ... they can have wonderful personalities and many of them are beautiful ... BUT ...

they are trapped in the village. they come from the village and they seem to be only in the city to make money, but then need to go back at some point to take care of their parents OR simply because they cannot shake their village upbringing.

.... most of them will want you to move back to their village and build a home.

I don't think I can live out there and it does become a status game because the Isaan-Farang couples end up having the biggest homes in the village. I'm not interested in being the farang with a bigger home than the locals out in the middle of nowhere.

Well, think about everyone here who comes from lesser than middle class ? And frankly growing up in a village in europe post ww2 as many here have done, wasnt that posh if I can say so. For those of us born in the late 60ies, and 70ies experienced growth, not everywhere, but some places.

What I do not get, is how people think they know something about others,

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

What I do not get, is how people think they know something about others,

I am talking about social class in general. The phenomenon of "social class in Isaan" between mixed couples is documented in the article below.

"Love, Money, & Obligation"

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/life/2019/10/02/love-money-and-obligation-why-some-isaan-women-love-farangs/?fbclid=IwAR1eb-jThtT3bbdVyTg3ieR3b-liF2AjQ_fsJ3O758SuwpSGzXEnIOsLUbw

The Rise of ‘Mia Farang Bourgeoisie’

Patcharin found that mia farang have created a new social class that resembles the urban middle class within their largely agrarian societies....

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

I am talking about class in general.

Nobody likes to be broke. We all share that in common.

But many people do enjoy being in a higher class than people around them. And some people look down on Isaan folks because they are from a lower class.

I neither enjoy being better off than anyone else nor do I need to look down on anyone. People are born in different circumstances.

But the phenomenon of "class" in Isaan is documented, if you wish to read about it.

And whether we like it or not, "class" always comes into play in relationships

"Love, Money, & Obligation"

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/life/2019/10/02/love-money-and-obligation-why-some-isaan-women-love-farangs/?fbclid=IwAR1eb-jThtT3bbdVyTg3ieR3b-liF2AjQ_fsJ3O758SuwpSGzXEnIOsLUbw

The Rise of ‘Mia Farang Bourgeoisie’

Patcharin found that mia farang have created a new social class that resembles the urban middle class within their largely agrarian societies....

Just information for most who think they are better off. Girls especially younger girls who looks for foreigners, do that for a reason no matter where they come from in the society. Most Thai girls wants an ideal Thai man, and if they cant have that for some reason, they choose out of other reasons.

At the end, it will be your wealth being the reason she chooses you or not. However not all Thai women choose a rich wealthy foreigner even they can, we see many examples of thai women choosing not wealthy men, and some even chooses obviously not healthy men with alcohol and or substance addiction. That beats me why some do even they must know it means trouble. But again, many girls who chooses foreign men have a history, and many of them is broken, abused and also lost all their local credibility long time before they started to search out foreign men as an real option.

39 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

I have no problem with Isaan ladies ... they can have wonderful personalities and many of them are beautiful ... BUT ...

they are trapped in the village. they come from the village and they seem to be only in the city to make money, but then need to go back at some point to take care of their parents OR simply because they cannot shake their village upbringing.

.... most of them will want you to move back to their village and build a home.

I don't think I can live out there and it does become a status game because the Isaan-Farang couples end up having the biggest homes in the village. I'm not interested in being the farang with a bigger home than the locals out in the middle of nowhere.

Been there, done that. And you're right about staying away from there. It's not because the people are bad, they're just uneducated and proud that it's part of the culture. They know an education is vital to succeed, yet they drop out of school, have kids at age 15. They will have <deleted>e all around them without cleaning up, the simplest repair where no money is required still doesn't happen.

I don't even like visiting anymore.

22 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Been there, done that. And you're right about staying away from there. It's not because the people are bad, they're just uneducated and proud that it's part of the culture. They know an education is vital to succeed, yet they drop out of school, have kids at age 15. They will have <deleted>e all around them without cleaning up, the simplest repair where no money is required still doesn't happen.

I don't even like visiting anymore.

Many don't have the option to continue school after age 15.

At 15 the government schools remove their unwanted students (around 50%), the students have no choice.

School fees also are a significant problem, my local government school charges 5,000bht a term for their 'free schooling' from age 11 and a lot of Thais just can't pay that.

12 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Been there, done that. And you're right about staying away from there. It's not because the people are bad, they're just uneducated and proud that it's part of the culture. They know an education is vital to succeed, yet they drop out of school, have kids at age 15. They will have <deleted>e all around them without cleaning up, the simplest repair where no money is required still doesn't happen.

I don't even like visiting anymore.

I agree, can be hell or paradise or a place you just get bored the deleted out of you ! Everyone is different as well the girl and family we meet on our way. Still many are happy living in Isaan. Read happy living, not stuck, and thats an important factor to measure when you decide to move to Thailand and where to live. Where would you be most happy if you suddenly out of unknown reasons became stuck.

We moved from Hua Hin to Isaan because of Covid, because I did not want to be stuck in an 40m2 appartement, which was functioning as a base for us, and me travelling back and forth for work. Now I saw the potensial to be stuck there.

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Many don't have the option to continue school after age 15.

At 15 the government schools remove their unwanted students (around 50%), the students have no choice.

School fees also are a significant problem, my local government school charges 5,000bht a term for their 'free schooling' from age 11 and a lot of Thais just can't pay that.

My ole lady's kid brother quit at age 15 or there abouts. He had a choice. They don't want to go the extra mile to succeed. I have very little sympathy.