I can't believe this thread has lasted so long.

 

Who would have thought, there are shameless hookers in Thailand?

7 minutes ago, FruitPudding said:

I can't believe this thread has lasted so long.

 

Who would have thought, there are shameless hookers in Thailand?

 

 

Can't be Thai, there is no prostitution.

 

 

 

They must be African, Russian, Cambodian, Laotian, Cambodian..............

28 minutes ago, BatteringRam said:

 

We are on different wavelengths. I'll leave it at that. 

I have read you comments here on this topic and you have the right ideas and an understanding better than Cameroni has himself. I haven't read all that he has said but just about everything shows an inadequacy of inter-personal communication, a lack of self-confidence and a sense of timing! Not on my wavelength either!

9 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

I have read you comments here on this topic and you have the right ideas and an understanding better than Cameroni has himself. I haven't read all that he has said but just about everything shows an inadequacy of inter-personal communication, a lack of self-confidence and a sense of timing! Not on my wavelength either!

 

Well, SMAI has been very helpful in underlining what I should NOT be doing. If you, like him, think I should ask a girl who is on holiday and totally distracted, for a date for this weekend, you're as clueless as he is and probably haven't dated in decades.

 

In this situation sending a picture of you eating street food or assaulting her with a request for a date this Saturday is about as subtle as a sledgehammer. This would never work.

 

The right approach in this situation is to send another text, to let her know you're okay with her going on a holiday, and you'll still be here and she should contact you on Friday. Depending on how she replies, or if at all, THEN you offer a date. Certainly not if she does not engage and does not respond positively.

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, SMAI has been very helpful in underlining what I should NOT be doing. If you, like him, think I should ask a girl who is on holiday and totally distracted, for a date for this weekend, you're as clueless as he is and probably haven't dated in decades.

 

In this situation sending a picture of you eating street food or assaulting her with a request for a date this Saturday is about as subtle as a sledgehammer. This would never work.

 

The right approach in this situation is to send another text, to let her know you're okay with her going on a holiday, and you'll still be here and she should contact you on Friday. Depending on how she replies, or if at all, THEN you offer a date. Certainly not if she does not engage and does not respond positively.

 

4 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

 

Your final paragraph shows again inappropriate thinking! To tell her in a written message it is Ok for her to go on holiday gives a possible impression of "permission granted". Secondly that she "should" respond on her return. No need to say anything on those things - they are insensitive!. Why not send a message saying, "hope you are having a nice time; looking forward to seeing you again"

14 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

To tell her in a written message it is Ok for her to go on holiday gives a possible impression of "permission granted".

 

Obviously I am not framing it like that, I will write "By the way, I forgot to say, I will wait for your return on Friday. Have a great trip and enjoy your time away". This does not give out a "permission granted" vibe in the slightest, but lets her know you are okay with her going on holiday now. See how subtle?  At the same time it reminds her to contact me on Friday indirectly. Of course I don't tell her direclty!

 

I will then wait until Friday and write "Did you already arrive home safely? Hope you had a good trip. I would sure be happy to hear from you...".

 

If nothing comes back then, there's really no point to ask for a date.

 

Should she respond, and respond positively, I will then offer a date.

 

 

19 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Obviously I am not framing it like that, I will write "By the way, I forgot to say, I will wait for your return on Friday. Have a great trip and enjoy your time away". This does not give out a "permission granted" vibe in the slightest, but lets her know you are okay with her going on holiday now. See how subtle?  At the same time it reminds her to contact me on Friday indirectly. Of course I don't tell her direclty!

 

I will then wait until Friday and write "Did you already arrive home safely? Hope you had a good trip. I would sure be happy to hear from you...".

 

If nothing comes back then, there's really no point to ask for a date.

 

Should she respond, and respond positively, I will then offer a date.

 

 

What you have just written is trying to defend a losing position!. You are not listening or understanding - shame!!

 

I used to think like you when I was 15! 

 

In any event, I wish you no ill!

8 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

What you have just written is trying to defend a losing position!. You are not listening or understanding - shame!!

 

I used to think like you when I was 15! 

 

In any event, I wish you no ill!

 

Because I AM in a losing position. Her going on this holiday and us losing contact for a whole week at this stage is unhelpful. She has indicated that she may not be genuinely interested in me. Because she went on this trip without letting me know. Whilst there is no requirement for her to do so, as we only dated 3 times, and I was not her boyfriend, had she had genuinely high interest she would have made sure I know she will go on holiday. She would also have given more detail of where she was going. Her curt  "Sorry, I am on a trip Ka", indicates low interest. She is not genuinely interested. She was most likely just dating around for pleasure. This also explains why she was hardly in touch over Insta.

 

This IS a losing position. So the right move here is to confirm that by sending some more texts to gauge if and how she will reply. If she doesn't reply or replies negatively, her lack of genuine interest is confirmed and there is no need to offer a date. 

 

If however, she responds and responds positively, then there is still a chance to raise her interest level. in that case a date will be offered.

 

It's very simple.

Whenever the pay your girlfriend discussion comes up on this board, it seems to 15–20,000 is the agreed-upon going rate.
 

But that includes a lot of older, single moms and stuff. So 30,000 for a young hottie seems about right
 

My friend dating the escort gives her 200,000 a month. And she’s 32 and a single mom.

 

For 2000 a week, I’d hire her just to clean my apartment and manage my Tinder.

1 hour ago, Prubangboy said:

Whenever the pay your girlfriend discussion comes up on this board, it seems to 15–20,000 is the agreed-upon going rate.
 

But that includes a lot of older, single moms and stuff. So 30,000 for a young hottie seems about right
 

My friend dating the escort gives her 200,000 a month. And she’s 32 and a single mom.

 

For 2000 a week, I’d hire her just to clean my apartment and manage my Tinder.

 

There is no hard and fast rule on this, and it depends on the circumstances.  Of course there are  some exceptionally wealthy men in Thailand and they WILL throw money at women that is almost unbelievable. I have a friend who has transferred half of all he makes per month to his Thai wife, who is old and has lost her looks, and he makes very substantial amounts of money from investments each month..So much in fact that his wife now has property and land locally where she hires people to work the land. That's because he views her as "his person" and they've been together a long time. So these situations exist.The 200,000 a month does not shock me, there are girls who get even more than this, like my friend's wife.

 

Indeed, a figure of 15-20000 is heard a lot, this is the sum that newbies often pay, ie guys who  have a Thai girlfriend for the first time. The reason, i think, is that this is the "wish figure"of many Thai girls, who believe that with this amount they would be really comfortable be able to live a good life here. And of course it's a sum that most men can afford. However, once you've lived here a while, and realise that a girl getting up at 5.30 am to work 12 hours in a factory gets paid 8000 to 12000 baht, and it is actually rare for a girl to earn more, most guys then adjust their allowance to around 10000 baht. i give 8000 because I can get away with it as I'm hansum man, and also i preselect for innocent girls that are not spoiled materially.

 

There are girls who are exceptionally hot, and some not so exceptionally hot, and yes they will demand more than 20,000 even, 30000 and 35000 are figures I heard as well ,but usually those are girls who give off a distinct "pro-vibe", ie they have leveraged their looks for high income and are either full whores or a step removed from being whores, and these don't interest me.

 

Now, I say I pay 8000 because I'm hansum man, and that's only partly a joke, you do have to pay to compensate the girl, if you are very old and not physically attractive. So naturally your situation impacts how much you have to pay, not just the kind of women you preselect. The older and less attractive you are the more you have to pay, and I have no doubt that if I pay BKK girl 8000 if she would consider an older and uglier  guy, not all girls do, but if she would then she would demand considerably more than 8000.

 

So it depends on your own circumstances, and the girl's. There is no hard and fast rule.

I like that earlier in this thread, you said that you are planning to budget for when you’re older and uglier, so you can stay in the game.
 

On the other hand, you may luck out with a virgin Christian who’s really into you and becomes a life partner.
 

My ex was in that ballpark. She had only been with four men previous to me and was 42 when we met. And one of those guys was only a coerced hand job.

 

My 48-year-old friend who had never had a girlfriend, and then took up with the woman who was worked in a bar, basically has that trad wife thing you want. She would do anything for him. They are planning to get married.

 

I don’t see the long-term odds of relationship happiness any worse over here than I remember back in the states.

 

Since you know, pretty close to exactly what you want, it’s just a matter of keeping on firing arrows till you hit your target.

 

I have absolutely no idea what I want, and no arrows. So I envy you the excitement of the chase.
 

 

1 hour ago, Prubangboy said:

I like that earlier in this thread, you said that you are planning to budget for when you’re older and uglier, so you can stay in the game.
 

On the other hand, you may luck out with a virgin Christian who’s really into you and becomes a life partner.
 

My ex was in that ballpark. She had only been with four men previous to me and was 42 when we met. And one of those guys was only a coerced hand job.

 

My 48-year-old friend who had never had a girlfriend, and then took up with the woman who was worked in a bar, basically has that trad wife thing you want. She would do anything for him. They are planning to get married.

 

I don’t see the long-term odds of relationship happiness any worse over here than I remember back in the states.

 

Since you know, pretty close to exactly what you want, it’s just a matter of keeping on firing arrows till you hit your target.

 

I have absolutely no idea what I want, and no arrows. So I envy you the excitement of the chase.
 

 

 

Oh yeah, when I get 79 or so and I've lost my looks, I will compensate like a mofo, and pay whatever it takes. No other way, unless I met the unicorn and already set up.

 

1 hour ago, Prubangboy said:

My ex was in that ballpark. She had only been with four men previous to me and was 42 when we met. And one of those guys was only a coerced hand job.

 

It's odd, some girls reallly do have a very low body count. You can walk down the streets and 8 out of 10 young girls have no boyfriend. Most liie bout their bodycount too of course, but not all girls are worn out like Phuket Girl.

 

And studies have shown that the lower the body count the higher the probability she stays, and the highter, the greater the probability it all turns to shpittle.

 

I'm not so sure the odds of rel happiness are the same here as in the US, I had two previous rels and they were 12 years and 20 years, the women never cheated.  I:'ve h ad 3 rels in SE Asia where I know she cheated.

 

Yes, whatever happens with CM girl, it's not a total loss.  I've now crystallized more clearly what I really wanted. I do now think that Chinese or Korean will be more my target, and a girl must have good English. I didn't think socio-economic class was important, but having met CM girl now, I am starting to think that it is a benefit. Though I was happy with BKK girl too until she cheated. That good English is the most important I: think. I really enjoyed talking to CM girl. Painful as it is, I will have to cut out girls who don't speak good English, which is the majority here.

 

Don't envy the excitemen of chase too much, when CM girl puts her cards on the table soon and she has a 4 aces, that excitement sill soon turn to something else.

Super great looking, fairly westernized, upper middle class, with great education and social skills? 
 

From ethnicities that really don’t like to mix, and with young women who have a ton of options?

 

I think you should think about faking being Christian. That is where you might find an inefficient dating market where unicorns like this are not on Tinder, and not accessible outside the church.

 

Would you go to church and pretend to pray  to anally satisfy a young Marie Osmond type?

 

I definitely would.

20 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

Super great looking, fairly westernized, upper middle class, with great education and social skills? 

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And preferably Chinese, though Korean or Thai would do too.

 

20 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

From ethnicities that really don’t like to mix, and with young women who have a ton of options?

 

Yes, I don't think the mixing is an issue, after all CM girl was half Yunnan and half Tibet, a hyper conservative family, and she was open to mingle. You're right though, the main issue is these girls have tons of options. Of course there are men richer than me, better looking than me, I'm not completely delusional. Whilst I think CM girl is on a trip with her sister or girlfriends, as she went on a date with me 2 days prior to going on the trip, it's still possible she had a trip planned with another guy and went on a date with me for kicks. She did ask me in the third date actually, did I have any travel plans, and that she wanted to go to Bali. But never said she was going there in 2 days. 

I had a Filipina once, who I took on a 3 week resort trip, and 2 weks later she went on a trip with an American guy, again 3 weeks, she had planned that one before my trip.  Maybe they just line up without any care for anything. We don't know unless they tell us.

 

Yes, I will definitely go to churches now. I have met no end of attractive Christian Asian girls, its curious. Hey, I'm a spiritual guy, I love the bible!

 

I'll also hit the Yunnan market and places where Chinese congregate in CM. That will be one of my main targets. Plus Jing Jai, and Coconut market but it's mostly tourists there.Tourists are only good for fun.

 

 

14 hours ago, ChrisKC said:

Your final paragraph shows again inappropriate thinking! To tell her in a written message it is Ok for her to go on holiday gives a possible impression of "permission granted". Secondly that she "should" respond on her return. No need to say anything on those things - they are insensitive!. Why not send a message saying, "hope you are having a nice time; looking forward to seeing you again"

 

Just for full disclosure, I did use the first part of your sentence "I hope you are having a nice time". For the second part I opted instead for "I will wait for your return on Friday", I think it's the superior choice because it clarified i will wait for her and subtly implies she should contact me when she gets back. Then finished it off with a simple "Enjoy your relaxation time", as that may elicit a comment "Oh it's so much stress here, always raining," or "It is nice to get away"...but realistically I don't think anything will be forthcoming.

 

This trip has put me in a much worse position. With these two texts I'm disclosing my massive interest. Not that it was greatly hidden, but still, when she knows someone is this much in the bag, it doesn't make it very exciting for her, so it'll lower her attraction even more, probably.

 

Firstly she is away, so CM is removed from her mind, and thus so am I, and it's obvious her interest is very low. I'm not holidng my breath. I will follow up with a last message on Friday, and if nothing is forthcoming, it'll be time to file it under great experience.

Cam to base camp: Fog is clearing, prepare gear and tents Beginning my ascent.

 

 

Impeccable timing. just as I returned from my morning cycling hour I received a text. It's her! 

 

Not only did she reply. She put 3 hearts. That's huge. Those hearts, she put at one time in our Insta convo when her interest was very high, like on 8 texts in a row.

 

I would like to thank ChrisKC for his contribution, I thought your first sentence was more natural sounding than mine, and it clearly worked. So thanks, and apologies if I was rude earlier.

 

Still a lot of work to be done of course, but the fog is clearing, and it looks like I may get a chance for date 4 when she returns.

 

Happier now.

 

 

 

CM girl set her drink on the table and leaned back. Her head was spinning from the alcohol. It had all been light-hearted banter until now. Even in her drunken stupor, she could see that he was serious.

“Think you’re man enough?” she asked with a smile.

Cameronitightly gripped her hand. His smile disappeared. “I know I’m man enough.”

 

“We’re all alone,” he announced with a smile.

CM girl pointed at a chair next to hers. “Come and sit down next to me.”

Cameroni slowly swaggered across the room. Beads of sweat erupted on his forehead. He had thought about this moment ever since he met her. Fantasies of her swirled in his mind.  His head throbbed with excitement. He pulled up a chair and sat next to her.

“Now where were we?” he asked, his voice raspy.

“You were telling me how much of a man you are.”

13 minutes ago, rumak said:

CM girl set her drink on the table and leaned back. Her head was spinning from the alcohol. It had all been light-hearted banter until now. Even in her drunken stupor, she could see that he was serious.

“Think you’re man enough?” she asked with a smile.

Cameronitightly gripped her hand. His smile disappeared. “I know I’m man enough.”

 

“We’re all alone,” he announced with a smile.

CM girl pointed at a chair next to hers. “Come and sit down next to me.”

Cameroni slowly swaggered across the room. Beads of sweat erupted on his forehead. He had thought about this moment ever since he met her. Fantasies of her swirled in his mind.  His head throbbed with excitement. He pulled up a chair and sat next to her.

“Now where were we?” he asked, his voice raspy.

“You were telling me how much of a man you are.”

 

Note how she does not say much. Just "Thank you" and a heart on each of the 3 text.s This is materful game, don't  you think? Give just enough to keep him interested, but say nothing to keep the suspense and mystery.

 

I am in awe of female game. It is a beautiful thing to behold.

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

Note how she does not say much. Just "Thank you" and a heart on each of the 3 text. This is materful game, don't  you think? Give just enough to keep him interested, but say nothing to keep the suspense and mystery.

 

I am in awe of female game. It is a beautiful thing to behold.

 

i will say more later............ gotta go out and see the world .     ahhhh,   the intrigue !

16 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, SMAI has been very helpful in underlining what I should NOT be doing. If you, like him, think I should ask a girl who is on holiday and totally distracted, for a date for this weekend, you're as clueless as he is and probably haven't dated in decades.

 

In this situation sending a picture of you eating street food or assaulting her with a request for a date this Saturday is about as subtle as a sledgehammer. This would never work.

 

The right approach in this situation is to send another text, to let her know you're okay with her going on a holiday, and you'll still be here and she should contact you on Friday. Depending on how she replies, or if at all, THEN you offer a date. Certainly not if she does not engage and does not respond positively.

 

Obviously this is all a parody. No real person could be that obtuse.

7 minutes ago, BatteringRam said:

 

Obviously this is all a parody. No real person could be that obtuse.

 

Don't worry, your time will come, I will post an issue soon where you can sink your teeth into.

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Don't worry, your time will come, I will post an issue soon where you can sink your teeth into.

 

Are you using AI to help you get this girl? You seem to lack any natural ability. 

You are acting like a dog on heat. It's embarrassing.

She might take you on because you are eminently controllable. Can just get on with her life without having to tell you anything 😊

Your attempts to assert control by suggesting that she has your permission and that you will wait for her, are so...fatherly. Maybe she likes small dogs.

1 hour ago, BatteringRam said:

 

Are you using AI to help you get this girl? You seem to lack any natural ability. 

You are acting like a dog on heat. It's embarrassing.

She might take you on because you are eminently controllable. Can just get on with her life without having to tell you anything 😊

Your attempts to assert control by suggesting that she has your permission and that you will wait for her, are so...fatherly. Maybe she likes small dogs.

 

You're yapping like a Chihuahua, but we don't have time for this nonsense.

 

Gentlemen, we have only 4 days until she returns. That means Date 4 is nigh. 

 

We are in in 1981, it is the Philadelphia 76ers vs the Celtics, and we are down 1:3. We still have time to turn it around. But it's not going to be easy. We cannot afford to fumble game 4. Everything has to be on point. In fact our opponent is not Dr J, it is a woman. And not just any woman. One of their all time star players. With game dripping from every pore. So we need at least 7 male brains to equal her one female brain. So listen up.

 

Let's clear up 2 initial issues before we analyze all errors in game 3, to ensure those are not repeated. The 2 initial issues are:

 

1) The secretive trip - Now my natural inclination would be to ask "how was the trip, who did you go with, where did  you go?" - However, this seems to be a delicate issue. She did not answer where she went over text. It's still theoretically possible she went with a guy somewhere. Maybe she wants to keep this secret and doesn't want to talk about it. It seems unnatural not to talk about it at all though. How would you play this?

 

2) My Thai friend told me that in China girls often date 1 or 2 month with no touching at  all allowed at all by the girl. He also said that it's the same in Thailand, he had to wait 3 months before he could even hold hands with his wife. And he's Thai! Now, I played all my life by the escalation rules, touch, kiss, sex, escalate at all times. And with CM girl too, after date 2 and 3 I offered to come over to my place for "tea". However, I am concerned this just made me look like the horny Gweilo or Farang. Clearly, however, I still have to escalate and aim for sex, because a relationship that does no progress declines. So how to play this, local rules or NBA rules?

 

All suggestions welcome.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

You're yapping like a Chihuahua, but we don't have time for this nonsense.

 

Gentlemen, we have only 4 days until she returns. That means Date 4 is nigh. 

 

We are in in 1981, it is the Philadelphia 76ers vs the Celtics, and we are down 1:3. We still have time to turn it around. But it's not going to be easy. We cannot afford to fumble game 4. Everything has to be on point. In fact our opponent is not Dr J, it is a woman. And not just any woman. One of their all time star players. With game dripping from every pore. So we need at least 7 male brains to equal her one female brain. So listen up.

 

Let's clear up 2 initial issues before we analyze all errors in game 3, to ensure those are not repeated. The 2 initial issues are:

 

1) The secretive trip - Now my natural inclination would be to ask "how was the trip, who did you go with, where did  you go?" - However, this seems to be a delicate issue. She did not answer where she went over text. It's still theoretically possible she went with a guy somewhere. Maybe she wants to keep this secret and doesn't want to talk about it. It seems unnatural not to talk about it at all though. How would you play this?

 

2) My Thai friend told me that in China girls often date 1 or 2 month with no touching at  all allowed at all by the girl. He also said that it's the same in Thailand, he had to wait 3 months before he could even hold hands with his wife. And he's Thai! Now, I played all my life by the escalation rules, touch, kiss, sex, escalate at all times. And with CM girl too, after date 2 and 3 I offered to come over to my place for "tea". However, I am concerned this just made me look like the horny Gweilo or Farang. Clearly, however, I still have to escalate and aim for sex, because a relationship that does no progress declines. So how to play this, local rules or NBA rules?

All suggestions welcome.

 

 

 

1. Loving without trusting is like frostbite and sunstroke. 

 

2. Think of small dog humping leg.

5 minutes ago, BatteringRam said:

Loving without trusting is like frostbite and sunstroke. 

 

So you think I should ask about the trip and bring it into the open? Ask her where she went, with whom?

 

 

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Think of small dog humping leg.

 

I take it that means you think I should play local rules, do not escalate, and wait 2 or 3 months to get a signal from her?

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

So you think I should ask about the trip and bring it into the open? Ask her where she went, with whom?

 

Remember what I wrote about being interesting? Show you have your own things going on. Make her want you. You just appear insipid.

In the U.K. it would be described as being wrapped around her little finger. You are trying to assert dominance and she thinks it's cute, but no cigar.

12 minutes ago, BatteringRam said:

Remember what I wrote about being interesting? Show you have your own things going on. Make her want you. You just appear insipid.

 

How can I pretend I'm more interesting in this scenario, she went on a freakin' trip! Obviously in this set of circumstances, she's ten times more interesting.

 

What if she flew to Bali, I'll chime in, oh yes I went to a food festival in Mae Rim, how can you be more interesting than a jet setter who just flew God knows where on a trip? 

 

I'm not Elon Musk! I'm a normal guy! I didn't fly into space yesterday!

 

But you have a point. When I ask about her trip, I enter HER frame, I make HER the interesting one. I need to put the focus on me. You're actually right. How to do that? I was at home working. The most interesting thing that happened to me was going to lunch with my American friend talking about her, and going for coffee with my Thai friend, talking about her...Obviously I can't tell her that.

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

How can I pretend I'm more interesting in this scenario, she went on a freakin' trip! Obviously in this set of circumstances, she's ten times more interesting.

 

What if she flew to Bali, I'll chime in, oh yes I went to a food festival in Mae Rim, how can you be more interesting than jet setter who just flew God knows where on a tri? 

 

I'm not Elon Musk! I'm a normal guy! I didn't fly into space yesterday!

 

But you decided to enter the money competition. Instead on relying on your character as the glue, you go all out to impress. So now you are nervous that the other guy has usurped you. I don't need to worry about that, as I connect on a different level. 

 

What qualities do you have that she might want or need? That you are alike? How exciting for her. Going out with her twin brother.

If her 'trip' works out, you'll be friend zoned as best. If not, you might be a stop gap. Romantic, eh?

 

Girls decide for you and that's it. None of this trailing after like a lapdog. If she's decided for you, you can relax. If not, why not?