12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Yah, that's a UK way to look it, but for Chinese girls material things are more important, and they will test for that. In fact in China it's common for women to demand proof of income, proof of apartment deeds. Their view on this is somewhat different.. 

 

Don't be fooled by these daft stereotypes and don't allow someone elses flawed behavior to be excused by 'culture' - bad behavior is bad behavior everywhere - no matter how culture is used to polish.

 

And... I have plenty of experience with Thai-Chinese women who are well educated and from solid backgrounds of socio-economic status that places them well above average on the 'Thai-totem-pole'... ( think lawyers, flight attendants, wealthy spoiled women etc)...    and no - they don't do these 'tests' you talk of - thats you inputting an excuse to justify the behavior of the girl you want a fling with.

 

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Again, had I not got that phone case, I would not have kissed her that night, seen her that night, we would not have texted, her interest would not have been high the next day when she sent a video and texted all day and night.

It was the right move.

 

You mean - she 'only kissed you' because you bought her a phone case ? had you not have made a purchase for her, you would not have got a kiss ?... 

Now... was it a passionate kiss, or a peck on the cheek - there's a difference.

- a) is - potential

- b) is 100% friend zone !

 

 

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Your view mirrors a typical manosphere view, but in this situation getting the phone case was the right decision.

 

Its a phone case - she doesn't even care about - you care more than she does !!! - she'd have one one else where if you didn't... its not night in shining armour stuff that will sweep her off her feet.

 

 

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I had a planned a real date at a real restaurant, Palette in 137 Pillars. She loved the dinner and the restaurant, again it was the right move.

 

Always a good move - a nice dinner.

 

 

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I've slept with enough women, I don't put the vagina on a pedestal, it's not that important when we sleep together. It's not a bad thing to make her wait. This way the relationship can develop organically. It's actually much more important that she enjoys the date, and I enjoy the date. Sex is not that important.

 

Haha - you're not making here wait for something she's not interested in !!! - don't be delusional.

Organic development is good - being too soft and getting friend-zoned isn't.

Sex is not important ???....    better re-think that and blow her mind when the time comes !

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Like I said, I know her interest is currently at a 5 or 6, it's not very high, however, the reason she went to have drinks may have nothing to do with her going with a guy, she may have gone with a girlfriend who had birthday, and it was not appropriate to invite, there can be all kinds of reasons that are legitimate. But yes, obviously, if she was free Wednesday night and is  still not agreeing to Sunday dinner, it's not great, interest clearly could be higher. I am aware.

 

Nah - only one real reason - she's not that into you !!....  If she was - there is an easy reason to invite you - or at least tell you why she didn't.

 

 

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Attraction can be instant, but it can also take time, women are not just attracted physically, but also by the things you say, it can take time to raise attraction. Obviously she is attracted, or she would not have agreed to go on 3 dates in a row. The question is elevating her attraction, after all, I'm 54 years old, so not the ideal for a 25 year old.

 

Yeah - if she's not instantly physically attracted to you - then she can be attracted to you becasue you are a nice guy, can provide security, are loyal etc...   

You are 54 shes 25 - you're starting to get it - friend zone who's taking her for dinner now and again.

 

 

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

That may be the case, but it's too early to say that is the case. There are some indications but no real proof of this. In the absence of this she deserves the benefit of the doubt.

 

Sure she does - so do you - but don't be soft - why didnt you just tell her - Meet me at xxx place tonight - I want dinner and you are joining me...    Why wait until Sunday ?

 

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She started to make a point of saying how she had cold hands and put her hand in my hand. She was teasing me, laughing, it was evident her interest had gone up.

 

Sounds nice - after 53 pages you're at the hand holding stage... 

 

 

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

No, that's just nonsense, Richard. If her interest were at 1, as you suggeste, she would never have gone on 3 dates, she wouldn't have sent a video two days ago and texted all day and night. Her interest was at 6 that day. When she returned it went down to a 5. Not great, but she's still texting and has not declined the date offer, so we'll have to see. It could drop or go up again. Going out for drinks on Wednesday could have perfectly llegitimate reasons, a girlfriend's birthday etc. You're reading too much into things.

 

How do you know they were 'dates' - she was just having dinner with an older man who's been friendly.

Wednesday night - sure - she could have a valid reason not to invite you - meeting another guy, girls night out to 'meet other guys' etc etc...   you're so scared of rejection you're pulling the wool over your own eyes.

 

 

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

No, even in the UK an interest of 9 on the first date is unheard of, unless the girl is very ugly, or you're Brad Pitt. It's just no a realistic scenario. Most first dates are nowhere near 9.

 

Then you don't have 'game' - if the girl is interested in you - they make it clear - and they don't do that by making you wait around - unless they are playing.

 

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Yes, she is. After she graduated Uni with a first class degree she still took an English test B2, at her own expense. Typical Chinese middle class swottery. Her English is a result of her uni days, she had a liberal arts degree. From Rangsit.

 

OK Rangsit implies she is from a decent socio-economic background - (its a private fee paying Uni - so family must have some money) - that implies she's not on the lower rungs of the 'farang hunter ladder'... 

 

 

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I must admit, I did get carried away too early. If you'd seen her, you would have too.

 

If she's as hot as you say she is...   and if I was single - we'd have been throwing caution to the wind and bumping uglies instead of this agony-aunt column stuff - really... 

 

 

12 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Perhaps. It is 2025, maybe texting is a superior option. I'm still thinking this one through.

 

Playing it cool is good - stay out of the friend-zone and prove to her that you are not gay !

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, after I kissed her she looked bashful towards her house and said "I hope mother didn't see that" whilst smiling.

 

Quite cute. It was dark, but clearly she didn't want to be seen.

 

It's actually not a bad idea to bring it up. It's good to show some intent

 

Yes, her getting drunk on a Wednesday is not a great look, not loving it.

 

 

Thas what im saying.

About getting drunk, she did studies and restricted and now she is "free"

School is out, forever (Alice), 

Cindy Girls want to have fun

Beyonce , like what you see , put a ring on it.

Tina, whats love got got do with it, just second hand emotion.

Anouk, never will be nobodies wife

Mötley crew has total different vision , love bargirls Girls girl girls

You have no garanties with anybody, thats life.

32 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Don't be fooled by these daft stereotypes and don't allow someone elses flawed behavior to be excused by 'culture' - bad behavior is bad behavior everywhere - no matter how culture is used to polish.

 

What "flawed" behaviour? She asked me for a favour, to buy a phone case. It's not like she forged the deeds to my house, let's keep things in perspective. It was slightly odd, no more.

 

32 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

And... I have plenty of experience with Thai-Chinese women who are well educated and from solid backgrounds of socio-economic status that places them well above average on the 'Thai-totem-pole'... ( think lawyers, flight attendants, wealthy spoiled women etc)...    and no - they don't do these 'tests' you talk of - thats you inputting an excuse to justify the behavior of the girl you want a fling with.

 

She's not "Thai-Chinese", she's "Chinese-Chinese", it's quite different. I was told by a Chinese person they do these tests.

 

32 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

You mean - she 'only kissed you' because you bought her a phone case ? had you not have made a purchase for her, you would not have got a kiss ?... 

 

No, I kissed her, as she came out of the house, I moved towards her with my left arm, went for a semi-hug, pulled her close and gave her a kiss, as she was moving it landed half on the ear and temple. It would have been inappropriate to go for a full on tongue-fest, as it was right in front of her house and mother could have been watching. Under the circumstances that was a good result.

 

32 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

ts a phone case - she doesn't even care about - you care more than she does !!! - she'd have one one else where if you didn't... its not night in shining armour stuff that will sweep her off her feet.

 

That's not what I meant, I meant getting the phone case was the excuse to see her in front of her house, which led me kissing her, which led to her having high interest the next day and sending a video and texting, properly for the first time, day and night.

 

32 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Haha - you're not making here wait for something she's not interested in !!! - don't be delusional.

Organic development is good - being too soft and getting friend-zoned isn't.

Sex is not important ???....    better re-think that and blow her mind when the time comes !

 

The women want sex too Richard, not just us. They want it too. But first it's good to build trust and attraction, to just delve into sex would be counter-productive in this scenario.

 

Sex is not important at this point, it is far more important she enjoys my company and I enjoy hers, sex is still an option, always, and when the time comes I will leave nothing unsatisfied. But now is not the time.

 

32 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Nah - only one real reason - she's not that into you !!....  If she was - there is an easy reason to invite you - or at least tell you why she didn't.

 

It's possible, but equally it's possible she was just asked to go with some girlfrends, we don't know the full circumstances so we can't say for sure. I actually regret not joking "What, and you didn't invite me?" But she knew I had to work that day. So actually it's understandable she didn't invite me, she thought I: was working.

 

32 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Yeah - if she's not instantly physically attracted to you - then she can be attracted to you becasue you are a nice guy, can provide security, are loyal etc...   

You are 54 shes 25 - you're starting to get it - friend zone who's taking her for dinner now and again.

 

Your friend zone talk is nonsense. I kissed her. Friends don't kiss. She knows what I am. I'm not a friend.

 

32 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Sure she does - so do you - but don't be soft - why didnt you just tell her - Meet me at xxx place tonight - I want dinner and you are joining me...    Why wait until Sunday ?

 

Because I have to work til 10 pm during the week. I can't go to dinners on weekdays. By the way, this is not how you talk to Chinese women, if you did that, you would quickly be alone.

 

 

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 throwing caution to the wind and bumping uglies

 

Leaving your all powerful imagination to one side, if you had done that it would have been counter productive. Then what? Women want a love story to develop in their heads, this base animal urge stuff would satisfy you for 20 minutes, but she would see you as a mere f-boy and lose respect for you, and you maybe for her. A very undesirable outcome. This girl is for long term.

 

32 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Sounds nice - after 53 pages you're at the hand holding stage... 

 

We've been on 3 dates. Holding hands is good. Love it. Another thing friends don't do, btw.

 

 

13 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

Thas what im saying.

About getting drunk, she did studies and restricted and now she is "free"

School is out, forever (Alice), 

Cindy Girls want to have fun

Beyonce , like what you see , put a ring on it.

Tina, whats love got got do with it, just second hand emotion.

Anouk, never will be nobodies wife

Mötley crew has total different vision , love bargirls Girls girl girls

You have no garanties with anybody, thats life.

 

Yes, there maybe an element of this, she graduated, passed the English test and is now letting her hair down a bit.

 

You have may have something here.

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

What "flawed" behaviour? She asked me for a favour, to buy a phone case. It's not like she forged the deeds to my house, let's keep things in perspective. It was slightly odd, no more.

 

Naivety - flawed behavior - thinking that someone testing you like that is a cultural norm.

 

If she was testing you - its flawed behavior - If she simply wanted a phone case - she could get one herself, why as this 'new guy' she's only dated a couple of times ? 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She's not "Thai-Chinese", she's "Chinese-Chinese", it's quite different. I was told by a Chinese person they do these tests.

 

Flawed behavior !!!...    So she has a Chinese Passport, not a Thai Passport ?  is that correct ?

 

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

No, I kissed her, as she came out of the house, I moved towards her with my left arm, went for a semi-hug, pulled her close and gave her a kiss, as she was moving it landed half on the ear and temple. It would have been inappropriate to go for a full on tongue-fest, as it was right in front of her house and mother could have been watching. Under the circumstances that was a good result.

 

So friend zone - she didn't kiss you - you tried to kiss her and missed the target !

 

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

That's not what I meant, I meant getting the phone case was the excuse to see her in front of her house, which led me kissing her, which led to her having high interest the next day and sending a video and texting, properly for the first time, day and night.

 

That wasn't a kiss - it was a clumsy fumble where you made semi 'face to side of head' contact.

 

She's never had 'high interest in you' - if she did you'd be with her now instead of trying to justify to a forum or strangers over 53 pages that this girl who's friend zoned you maybe likes you enough to 'hold hands'...

 

 

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

The women want sex too Richard, not just us. They want it too. But first it's good to build trust and attraction, to just delve into sex would be counter-productive in this scenario.

 

What senario are we talking here ? you getting past her 'uncle friend zone' ???

 

You haven't shown her interest in you is anything other than - anything beyond is your delusion and fear to nudge things along.

 

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Sex is not important at this point, it is far more important she enjoys my company and I enjoy hers, sex is still an option, always, and when the time comes I will leave nothing unsatisfied. But now is not the time.

 

Proving you'll stay in the friend zone....    leave it too long and you will get "I like you but....."

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

It's possible, but equally it's possible she was just asked to go with some girlfrends, we don't know the full circumstances so we can't say for sure. I actually regret not joking "What, and you didn't invite me?" But she knew I had to work that day. So actually it's understandable she didn't invite me, she thought I: was working.

 

I thought she went out an got drunk ? and was tired the next day... which is it ?

 

 

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Your friend zone talk is nonsense. I kissed her. Friends don't kiss. She knows what I am. I'm not a friend.

 

So - She did kiss you ??? - she put her arms around you, hugged you, moved in and gave you a kiss, lips to lips ?....  or did you move towards her and try to kiss her as she sort of moved and you ended up kissing the side of her head ?....  

 

 

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Because I have to work til 10 pm during the week. I can't go to dinners on weekdays. By the way, this is not how you talk to Chinese women, if you did that, you would quickly be alone.

 

Don't be daft - there are not rules - its not as if Chinese women are a different breed and if you don't follow the exact rules they expect you are out of contention !!!....    

 

 

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

We've been on 3 dates. Holding hands is good. Love it

 

Were they really dates ???  or was this just a girl thinking she's having dinner with a male friend who's been nice to her ???

 

After all - your kiss story seems almost delusional - doesn't sound like a kiss at all.

 

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

There are 1404 farang in her Insta follower list.

 

With so many farang followers on Instagram, the odds are high that at least some of them are participating in this thread. 

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

If she was testing you - its flawed behavior - If she simply wanted a phone case - she could get one herself, why as this 'new guy' she's only dated a couple of times ? 

 

Obviously she finds me irresisitible and wanted an excuse to see me.

 

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

So she has a Chinese Passport, not a Thai Passport ?  is that correct ?

 

Not sure, I just know her mother is from Yunnan and her father from Tibet.

 

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

So friend zone - she didn't kiss you - you tried to kiss her and missed the target !

 

Not friend zone, she was moving, my target was to kiss her, she was bashful because of being in front of her house and afraid her mother was watching. Had I not moved in quickly, even that would not have happened. She seemed very smiley ahd happy about it, more than a friend.

 

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

That wasn't a kiss - it was a clumsy fumble where you made semi 'face to side of head' contact.

 

I kissed her, it was not a "fumble". She was kissed. And she liked it.

 

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

She's never had 'high interest in you' - if she did you'd be with her now

 

She had higher interest that day, maybe not a 9 or 10, but that could stil come. I have to work today, so I can't be with her.

 

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

What senario are we talking here ?

 

I am the older man, courting a younger girl, this has to be a dignfied affair, Richard, I can't bump her with my testicles the way you would apparently do. It would hinder the developing story she is building in her head about the mysterious Farang.

 

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Proving you'll stay in the friend zone....    leave it too long and you will get "I like you but....."

 

It can't go on forever obviously, but actually the physical contact phase can precede full sex and can last some time. There is no rush. It's much much worse to rush it.

 

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I thought she went out an got drunk ? and was tired the next day... which is it ?

 

That's right.

 

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

So - She did kiss you ??? - she put her arms around you, hugged you, moved in and gave you a kiss, lips to lips ?....  or did you move towards her and try to kiss her as she sort of moved and you ended up kissing the side of her head ?....  

 

I kissed her.

 

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Don't be daft - there are not rules - its not as if Chinese women are a different breed and if you don't follow the exact rules they expect you are out of contention !!!...

 

They are actually quite different, they're much stronger characters. Go on a date with a Chinese woman and you'll find out. They wouldn't tolerate you talking in that way. You'd be out quickly.

 

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Were they really dates ???  or was this just a girl thinking she's having dinner with a male friend who's been nice to her ???

 

Lol, I was touching her more than an Octopus on that second date, your friend talk is nonsense.

 

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

After all - your kiss story seems almost delusional - doesn't sound like a kiss at all.

 

Well, it was a kiss. You had to be there. Sadly for you, you weren't and I was.

 

It was quite a romantic scene, it was night, that dark street of houses, with an amber glow of street lanterns, a bit Lili Marleen, then she comes out without make up, hair not done, a tall dark stranger walks up to her, hugs her and kisses her, gives her a gift....no wonder her interest went up.

33 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

She's not "Thai-Chinese", she's "Chinese-Chinese", it's quite different. I was told by a Chinese person they do these tests.

 

 

You need to expand a bit. So she doesn't have a Thai citizenship? Or you mean both of her parents are Chinese with Thai nationality. Never mind, I just read your reply. So again you are with a girl you know nothing about.

 

Some girls do tests some could care less. For example, my wife's friend consistently escorts her dates to the parking lot to see what type of car the guy drives. Her other chinese friend, a really pretty girl from a rich family fell for a Thai cop over a decade ago. Her family doesn't approve so they keep their relationship separate and will never have kids. She could care less what guy has or doesn't have and has certainly missed on family fortunes by dating this guy. My wife was just happy to be with a handsome white skinned Balkan stud, so she married me secretly during covid.

7 minutes ago, Celsius said:

 

You need to expand a bit. So she doesn't have a Thai citizenship? Or you mean both of her parents are Chinese with Thai nationality. 

 

Some girls do tests some could care less. For example, my wife's friend consistently escorts her dates to the parking lot to see what type of car the guy drives. Her other chinese friend, a really pretty girl from a rich family fell for a Thai cop over a decade ago. Her family doesn't approve so they keep their relationship separate and will never have kids. She could care less what guy has or doesn't have and has certainly missed on family fortunes by dating this guy. My wife was just happy to be with a handsome white skinned Balkan stud, so she married me secretly during covid.

 

I've not asked her to produce her passport, or her parents' passports and visa, as you know, I'm not immigration. All I know is her mother is from Yunnan and her dad is from Tibet. Which makes her Chinese Chinese, ethnically and culturally. 

 

My Malaysian Chinese friend told me, of course she could have bought her own phone case, she just wanted to see if I'd be reliable and would get it for her. The fact that I was, clearly raised her interest, as she sent me a video early morning and started to text me a lot during day and night that day. Being kissed probably also played a part.

 

She's done nothing wrong, in the sense of asking impossible things or for a lot of money, I'm quite relaxed about it.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

I've not asked her to produce her passport, or her parents' passports and visa, as you know, I'm not immigration. All I know is her mother is from Yunnan and her dad is from Tibet. Which makes her Chinese Chinese, ethnically and culturally. 

 

 

OMG....

 

DOES SHE SPEAK THAI

1 minute ago, Celsius said:

 

OMG....

 

DOES SHE SPEAK THAI

 

She does, very well. And she speaks the language of love fluently....

 

By the way, we have to give her credit for being honest about going out and getting drunk. If she had gone with a guy she never would have admitted that.

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

She does, very well. And she speaks the language of love fluently....

 

By the way, we have to give her credit for being honest about going out and getting drunk. If she had gone with a guy she never would have admitted that.

 

So Thai Chinese then. I can predict something. If her parents are as half as strict as normal chinese parents you will experience a lot of ghosting and blue ballz. Actually I can predict she will stop communicating entirely in about 2 weeks unless some strict conditions are met. Young chinese girls usually mix with their own.

 

Of course, I didn't have to go through hell as I met my wife in her late 30s but from what she told me when she was younger I would.

7 minutes ago, Celsius said:

If her parents are as half as strict as normal chinese parents 

 

She told me, her exact words "I have the most traditional Chinese parents, really traditional..."

 

So no wonder she doesn't want to introduce a bf to her parents.

 

This may also explain her wild side, the parents pulled the chains too tightly.

 

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 you will experience a lot of ghosting and blue ballz

 

I don't care if I have to wait six months, hell, even a year, to have sex with this specimen. I will wait. As long as it takes. Like a spider. Patiently.

 

I'll date her holding hands for as long as it takes, kissing the side of her head whilst mama is not looking. No rush.

 

This one I want for long term.

35 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

 

With so many farang followers on Instagram, the odds are high that at least some of them are participating in this thread. 

 

I think we would have heard about it by now. Besides, obviously 99% of them didn't go on a date with her and would not know the details I reveal here, so they would be none the wiser it's her.

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Obviously she finds me irresisitible and wanted an excuse to see me.

 

Wanted a phone case... 

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Not sure, I just know her mother is from Yunnan and her father from Tibet.

 

Not friend zone, she was moving, my target was to kiss her, she was bashful because of being in front of her house and afraid her mother was watching. Had I not moved in quickly, even that would not have happened. She seemed very smiley ahd happy about it, more than a friend.

 

Embarrassed that her mum might have seen - but not embarrassed that you tried to kiss her, got it.

 

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

I kissed her, it was not a "fumble". She was kissed. And she liked it.

 

Because she 'giggled' - sure that wasn't the embarrassed reaction yo wintnessed...  

 

Don't be delusional - this was so far from a kiss... 

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

She had higher interest that day, maybe not a 9 or 10, but that could stil come. I have to work today, so I can't be with her.

 

 

I am the older man, courting a younger girl, this has to be a dignfied affair, Richard, I can't bump her with my testicles the way you would apparently do. It would hinder the developing story she is building in her head about the mysterious Farang.

 

Mysterious farang - purleeese !!!...     you do seem delusional.

 

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

It can't go on forever obviously, but actually the physical contact phase can precede full sex and can last some time. There is no rush. It's much much worse to rush it.

 

No need to rush - but doing nothing is worse - play the game man !

 

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

That's right.

 

I kissed her.

 

 

They are actually quite different, they're much stronger characters. Go on a date with a Chinese woman and you'll find out. They wouldn't tolerate you talking in that way. You'd be out quickly.

 

I have, an Korean and Japanese - your mythology is causing you to pull the wool over your own eyes.

 

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Lol, I was touching her more than an Octopus on that second date, your friend talk is nonsense.

 

Another kiss ??  or just strangely handsy ?    a hand on the arm doesn't count.

 

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Well, it was a kiss. You had to be there. Sadly for you, you weren't and I was.

 

Glad I wasn't - sounds embarrassing.

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

It was quite a romantic scene, it was night, that dark street of houses, with an amber glow of street lanterns, a bit Lili Marleen, then she comes out without make up, hair not done, a tall dark stranger walks up to her, hugs her and kisses her, gives her a gift....no wonder her interest went up.

 

Oh... you've got it bad - and she thinks she's got a friend who'll buy her stuff... 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

1 hour ago, lamyai3 said:

 

With so many farang followers on Instagram, the odds are high that at least some of them are participating in this thread. 

 

I think we would have heard about it by now. Besides, obviously 99% of them didn't go on a date with her and would not know the details I reveal here, so they would be none the wiser it's her.

 

How do you know ? - one of them might have been on a date with her on Wednesday night !!

 

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

She told me, her exact words "I have the most traditional Chinese parents, really traditional..."

 

So no wonder she doesn't want to introduce a bf to her parents.

 

Common all over Asia.

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

This may also explain her wild side, the parents pulled the chains too tightly.

 

Wild side ? holding hands and dodging a peck on the cheek ?

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

I don't care if I have to wait six months, hell, even a year, to have sex with this specimen. I will wait. As long as it takes. Like a spider. Patiently.

 

While someone else is smashing her doors in on a Wednesday night ? !!!!

 

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

I'll date her holding hands for as long as it takes, kissing the side of her head whilst mama is not looking. No rush.

 

This one I want for long term.

 

Good luck - smile when she introduces her new boyfriend to you, telling him you are a 'lovely kind friend'... 

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Wanted a phone case... 

 

Pfffft, you dont' think she can buy her own phone case?  You're so inexperienced Richard, this was the dance of seduction at play, she wanted me to come to her. It was not about a phone case, she wanted to see me.

 

Why do you think when I asked her what kind of phone case, send me a pic of what you like, she couldn't she just said "any, mag safe not required". If she really wanted a case she would have been very  clear about exactly the case she wanted. She wasn't. She wanted to see Cameroni. 

 

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Embarrassed that her mum might have seen - but not embarrassed that you tried to kiss her, got it.

 

i'm not sure I follow?

 

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Because she 'giggled' - sure that wasn't the embarrassed reaction yo wintnessed...  

 

Ooooh, obviously there would have been some embarassment, she is a modest at her core really.

 

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Don't be delusional - this was so far from a kiss... 

 

It was most definitely a kiss. Partly ear too, quite sexy.

 

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Mysterious farang - purleeese !!!...     you do seem delusional.

 

I'm quite seirous, she doesn't know much about me.

 

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

No need to rush - but doing nothing is worse - play the game man !

 

Like I said, I pawed her like a Grizzly Bear on that second date, non-stop breaking of the touch barrier, after every dateI suggested we  go to my place. You have to take your cues from her too, you can't just jump her like a randy  Kangaroo, Richard.

 

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I have, an Korean and Japanese - your mythology is causing you to pull the wool over your own eyes.

 

I'm kind of jealous of the Korean, I must admit. What was the Korean like? I had Japanese too, not a fan.

 

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

  or just strangely handsy ?    a hand on the arm doesn't count.

 

Constant touching, arms around waist, grabbing her hands in mine "Are you still cold", etc etc....I think I: may have overdone it. Eye contact too.

 

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Glad I wasn't - sounds embarrassing.

 

It wasn't. It was glorious. If you listened closely you could hear the angels' harps.

 

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Oh... you've got it bad - and she thinks she's got a friend who'll buy her stuff... 

 

Stop this friend nonsense, she knows exactly what my intentions are, I kissed her, pawed her, held her hands...where do you get this friends nonsense from?

 

But yah, I got it bad. Richard, this woman, is feminine like no other. When she smiles worlds melt before your eyes. Her laughter. She has no way to describe her. One has to see her. I can't do her justice with words.

15 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

How do you know ? - one of them might have been on a date with her on Wednesday night !!

 

 

Almost certainly not. See she ADMITTED she went out and got drunk. So almost certainly girlfriends or sister. If it was a guy she would not have admitted it.

12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Wild side ? holding hands and dodging a peck on the cheek ?

 

She got drunk on a Wednesday! She likes Post Malone. She goes to nightclubs regularly. She's a bit too wild for my liking to tell the truth.

12 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

While someone else is smashing her doors in on a Wednesday night ? !!!!

 

I doubt her girlfriends or sister smashed her doors.

 

13 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Good luck - smile when she introduces her new boyfriend to you, telling him you are a 'lovely kind friend'... 

 

That won't be necessary, there won't be one. I'll be the last. 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Almost certainly not. See she ADMITTED she went out and got drunk. So almost certainly girlfriends or sister. If it was a guy she would not have admitted it.

 

If it was a guy she would not have admitted it ? she didn't admit it... 'almost certainly friends or sister'...  you don't even know.

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Wild side ? holding hands and dodging a peck on the cheek ?

 

She got drunk on a Wednesday! She likes Post Malone. She goes to nightclubs regularly. She's a bit too wild for my liking to tell the truth.

 

Night clubs regularly - alone ?

 

Why wild ? just for going out ? - or are you worried what she does when she is out ?

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

While someone else is smashing her doors in on a Wednesday night ? !!!!

 

I doubt her girlfriends or sister smashed her doors.

 

You don't know who she was out with (almost certainly) - could have been anyone, you have no idea.

 

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Good luck - smile when she introduces her new boyfriend to you, telling him you are a 'lovely kind friend'... 

That won't be necessary, there won't be one. I'll be the last. 

 

Until the iPhone 18 Pro Max is out.....

Just some critique on Richard's (largely correct) analysis:

 

1) Even a first date should conclude with some affection, which should be reciprocated. We should note cultural differences here - most decent Thai girls would accept a peck on the cheek, or one of those delightful sniff kisses that the Thais do. It's unlikely that they'd go straight into French kissing. I think that the jury is still out on this point. 

 

2) The same applies to 'bumping fuzzies', or 'smashing down her doors' *ahem*, as Richard so eloquently puts it. This can all come later, and its often more fun if it does, but there should at least be a progression towards it. Often, with a decent girl, this may take a prolonged time. 

 

3) Richard is on point with his remarks about the dreaded friend zone. Women expect men to be challenging, and they also expect us to make moves. What Richard says about no opportunity being given to making moves - just shopping, and almost mocking Cameroni by getting drunk without him is spot on. If a girl likes you, they make things easy for you - they are playful, more beckoning than repelling. They accept offers of dates and are flexible and giving. If moves aren't made when they provide these opportunities - if indeed they do - then the shutters go up and you're out for good into the friend zone. I think this is where Cameroni is at now, so I'm glad to see him attending to his pipeline again. 

6 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

If it was a guy she would not have admitted it ? she didn't admit it... 'almost certainly friends or sister'...  you don't even know.

 

If you're going to analyze, you have to do it right. She DID admit that she went out at night on Wednesday and got drunk. She also said she "hung out", which very clearly indicates this was friends or her sister, not a date with a guy.

 

6 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Night clubs regularly - alone ?

 

No she goes with a girlfriend or her sister. I did ask her once about pics in a nightclub, she went with her sister then. Another time she told me she was going with a girlfriend.

 

It's hard to say if this is "regularly", I know at least of two occasions within 4 weeks. However, we must remember she grew up in CM. So she has tons of friends here. She may know someone who works in the place she goes to.

 

6 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

You don't know who she was out with (almost certainly) - could have been anyone, you have no idea.

 

No, firstly the fact she admitted she got drunk shows this is most likely innocent, had it been with a guy  she simply wouldn't have said it. She's actually being honest with me. She also said she "hung out" which implies friends or sister, not a date with a guy.

 

We've been here before, when she went on a trip it was widely assumed by everybody that she went on a trip with a guy, even I thought it possible, however, turns out she went to Chiang Dao to fetch her mother to nurse her in CM. Again, very innocent.

 

Then when she went to Chiang Dao hospital people were saying she's not there, she's with a guy, blah blah blah, turned out she sent me a video early in the morning that clearly showed she was at Chiang Dao hospital. Again, very innocent.

 

6 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Until the iPhone 18 Pro Max is out.....

 

Well, she just got the 17 Pro Max, she should be good for 3 to 4 years. If she insists she wants the 18 Pro Max, I'll buy it for her. No problem.

 

I'll tell you what does worry me a bit. She just accepted my follow request on :Insta, just like that. When I proposed a date she immediately agreed, without asking any questions about me whatsoever. This is a little bit of a red flag, because if she did that with me, she may have done it with others. So she's easy to date possibly. Maybe I was the first she agreed with so easily, but that seems unlikely.  Her dating easily doesn't mean she's promiscuous and has sex with everyone she dates. She made clear on the first date she doesn't go to a guy's house normally on the first date. I gave her ample opportunity to agree to sex on every date, but she never took it. So she may just be easy to date, which still is not good obviously.

 

Her getting drunk midweek with friends means some of her friends are not great quality. She does go to nightclubs, again not a sign of great quality, but then she is 26 and probably led a very restricted life until she was 21.

 

Her Insta has 1404 farang guys, many of who are toe-culringly ugly and old. So she's not filtering who she accepts, anyone who requests to follow, she accepts. A normal strategy for someone trying to build a larger Insta account, but obviously not great for a guy like me who's interested in her. Then there's those pics of wads of cash and by the way, there's another pic where she implies men have to propose marriage and give the girl money, these things are not great. That one was not a joke pic, that was a serious one.

 

Anyway, these things are of concern. None of them are dealbreakers, none of them imply she's a nasty slag or anything of the sort, but clearly one has to keep one's eyes open here.

 

 

9 hours ago, Cameroni said:

9 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

 

With so many farang followers on Instagram, the odds are high that at least some of them are participating in this thread. 

 

I think we would have heard about it by now. Besides, obviously 99% of them didn't go on a date with her and would not know the details I reveal here, so they would be none the wiser it's her.

 

Well,  i gotta come clean.   Been with the young lady many times , but out of respect I will not discuss our sexual escapades.    She says its OK that I post her pic,  cause Uncle C (she calls him)  will surely disavow that this is her .    😉

 

 

 

Count the red flags you've detected, make a list.

 

Have you heard from her this morning?

 

 

2 hours ago, Lightyear said:

Just some critique on Richard's (largely correct) analysis:

 

1) Even a first date should conclude with some affection, which should be reciprocated. We should note cultural differences here - most decent Thai girls would accept a peck on the cheek, or one of those delightful sniff kisses that the Thais do. It's unlikely that they'd go straight into French kissing. I think that the jury is still out on this point. 

 

2) The same applies to 'bumping fuzzies', or 'smashing down her doors' *ahem*, as Richard so eloquently puts it. This can all come later, and its often more fun if it does, but there should at least be a progression towards it. Often, with a decent girl, this may take a prolonged time. 

 

3) Richard is on point with his remarks about the dreaded friend zone. Women expect men to be challenging, and they also expect us to make moves. What Richard says about no opportunity being given to making moves - just shopping, and almost mocking Cameroni by getting drunk without him is spot on. If a girl likes you, they make things easy for you - they are playful, more beckoning than repelling. They accept offers of dates and are flexible and giving. If moves aren't made when they provide these opportunities - if indeed they do - then the shutters go up and you're out for good into the friend zone. I think this is where Cameroni is at now, so I'm glad to see him attending to his pipeline again. 

 

Richard made one or two good points, but you left out his most glaring  error. He said in all seriousness that her interest is at 1.  Obviously that is the lowest interest, when she would not be interested in going on dates at all.

 

A girl will only go on dates with you if you meet her minimum attraction threshold, which is met at 5. So her interest was at 5, at least, at all times.  Richard clearly does not understand the interest scale very well.

 

As for 1 above, you are correct, and of course there was affection on date 2, initiated by her putting her hand in mine. She accepted I kiss her, so all good.

 

Regarding 2, again agreed, this can come later, no problem. There has been progression, touching hands, holding hands on date 3, now kissing. It is happening. Just at a very careful pace.

 

Richard's friend zone comments are total nonsense, this girl knows exactly what I'm after and the friend zone is not even an issue. I do agree that her going out and getting drunk on a Wednesday is a very bad sign, obviously, as is her not accepting dates. Which is why I said her interest went way down to 5 at least. We will find out this weekend if it really went below 5 or not. I'm certainly not in the friendzone. Not yet anyway.

 

 

33 minutes ago, Bacon1 said:

Count the red flags you've detected, make a list.

 

Have you heard from her this morning?

 

 

It's funny, 2 minutes after you posted, she texted me. She said she slept early. I did not take the advice given here, and texted her a short "So you're fully recovered?" yesterday night. She obviously went to bed and never saw it and she just replied "Yes. Slept early too". I replied "That's what I thought. It's good you sleep. So you're fit for the weekend. How's it looking, do you think dinner on Saturday or Sunday is doable?".

 

So yes, I'm doing the exact opposite of the advice provided and it seemt to be working. Let's see.

 

Okay, the red flags:

 

1) Accepted my date request immediately without any questions

2) 1404 farang in her follower's list

3) Gets drunk midweek and goes to nightclubs

4) Photos implying men should give cash to women

5) Interest not high enough

 

That's pretty much it. I've seen much worse.

 

Regarding the screenshot, I use this laptop and the phone for work, so the time is 6 hours behind.

 

You will no doubt agree that her texting as soon as she gets up at 8.24 am is a good sign, and means her interest is still at 5 at least?

 

 

 

 

And this, gentleman, is how you confirm a date. Fourth date is now set up and firm for Sunday.

 

None of this waiting for her to come back on Saturday. No. Sometimes you have to look deep into the nature of things. This girl has no job. Her life has no structure. She goes out during the middle of the week for drinks. She is like a leaf that blows in the wind. So in this set of circumstances it was appropriate NOT to sit back and wait but rather to apply some guidance and show real interest, because otherwise there would have been a real danger that she simply is caught up in some other friend's invite on Sat or Sun.

 

So now she has confirmed our date on Sunday, with a heart emoji no less, it is clear that her interest remains at 5 at least.  Conclusive proof that Richard's notion that her interest is at 1 is simply wrong.  Whilst we're all glad when Richard is wrong, for once, in this instance I have to say I'm particularly pleased he was wrong.

 

 

I can hardly wait until Monday to find out what transpired.

12 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

I can hardly wait until Monday to find out what transpired.

 

A lot of pressure now. In a way it's the make or break date, the most important. I have half a mind to take her to one of the previous two places again because they were so good, but have different restaurants. That would be the safe choice. But it's also boring to go to the same place. I really have to come up with a new place.