Just to make it interesting Phuket girl threatened to come today. I keep trying to delay her trip, but she's not taking no for an answer.

 

I really hope she doesn't show up today or on the weekend. My life would become a real Cary Crant screwball comedy. Imagine.

 

 

So it seems you are lying to her, is that correct? You have a date but are saying you have to work on a big project. 

5 minutes ago, marin said:

So it seems you are lying to her, is that correct? You have a date but are saying you have to work on a big project. 

 

I actually do have a lot of work at the moment, but the aim here is to delay the Phuket  Girl visit as long as possible, because  I have to focus on the date with CM girl on Sunday. If that date goes well, then I won't let Phuket Girl come at all as I will be saving all my love for CM girl. However, if date 4 for any reason does not go well, if CM girl does not agree to date 5 after Sunday, then I will let Phuket Girl come to offer some consolation for my broken heart. Or at least another body part.

So you can lie to the girls but how do you feel about the girls lying to you?

Just now, marin said:

So you can lie to the girls but how do you feel about the girls lying to you?

 

Not great, but they do it anyway, so what's good for the goose....As Napoleon said, in love and war, all's fair.

I hope it all goes well for you @Cameroni. Hats off to you on getting this date lined up.

9 minutes ago, Lightyear said:

I hope it all goes well for you @Cameroni

 

Thank you. I really hope date 4 will go good enough and things can continue with CM girl. I want to get off the carousel. I only want her.

 

I think my chances with CM girl are fair to good. Her agreeing to date 4 this morning is very good news.

 

But conquering a woman is like conquering a mountain. So much can go wrong. Whilst securing date 4 is a big win and can lead to joys and pleasures undreamt of, of course it can still all go wrong.

 

Just like on date 3, when it started so well, but then they stole her umbrella at this bar, and she didn't like the cocktails and atmosphere. Small things can make a big difference. Things that are wholly outside of my sphere of control.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

And this, gentleman, is how you confirm a date. Fourth date is now set up and firm for Sunday.

 

None of this waiting for her to come back on Saturday. No. Sometimes you have to look deep into the nature of things. This girl has no job. Her life has no structure. She goes out during the middle of the week for drinks. She is like a leaf that blows in the wind. So in this set of circumstances it was appropriate NOT to sit back and wait but rather to apply some guidance and show real interest, because otherwise there would have been a real danger that she simply is caught up in some other friend's invite on Sat or Sun.

 

So now she has confirmed our date on Sunday, with a heart emoji no less, it is clear that her interest remains at 5 at least.  Conclusive proof that Richard's notion that her interest is at 1 is simply wrong.  Whilst we're all glad when Richard is wrong, for once, in this instance I have to say I'm particularly pleased he was wrong.

 

 

Won't be happening. I for one will be very veyr surprised if this happens at al. She playing you like a real mug.

19 minutes ago, theshu25 said:

Won't be happening. I for one will be very veyr surprised if this happens at al. She playing you like a real mug.

 

I don't think so, she's actually being very honest and straight up with me.

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

Richard made one or two good points, but you left out his most glaring  error. He said in all seriousness that her interest is at 1.  Obviously that is the lowest interest, when she would not be interested in going on dates at all.

 

You think she's going on a 'date with you'...  She thinks she's 'hanging out'... 

 

... and with exactly the same logic - she's been hanging out with anyone she wants to - and it could easily have been suitors or even current flings - you simply have no idea and just want to beleive it was friends and sister.

 

You take the tiniest shred off information and run with it while ignoring red flags - thats naivety and gullibility - I hope not for your sake....

 

 

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

A girl will only go on dates with you if you meet her minimum attraction threshold, which is met at 5. So her interest was at 5, at least, at all times.  Richard clearly does not understand the interest scale very well.

 

This numbers thing is hilarious - the over analysis of a girl he hasn't even kissed for real yet - just an accidental fumble which she shied away from because her 'mother might have been watching' then nervously giggled.. probably out of awkwardness...  You misinterpreted that as her liking it.

 

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

As for 1 above, you are correct, and of course there was affection on date 2, initiated by her putting her hand in mine. She accepted I kiss her, so all good.

 

You are 1 - in the 'friend zone' or 'hanging out' zone...  just above a 0 which is - someone she knows and thats it....  when you are a 2, she will start instigating text messaging and call you.

 

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Regarding 2, again agreed, this can come later, no problem. There has been progression, touching hands, holding hands on date 3, now kissing. It is happening. Just at a very careful pace.

 

Pawing at her like a grizzly bear (was it) - thats not affection...  not on her part.

Holding hands...   that part sounds positive.

The Kiss - delusional - that was not a kiss.

 

 

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Richard's friend zone comments are total nonsense, this girl knows exactly what I'm after and the friend zone is not even an issue. I do agree that her going out and getting drunk on a Wednesday is a very bad sign, obviously, as is her not accepting dates. Which is why I said her interest went way down to 5 at least. We will find out this weekend if it really went below 5 or not. I'm certainly not in the friendzone. Not yet anyway.

 

If this girl knows what you are after and is inclined to be open to your advances - you'd know about it.

If you were a 5 - she'd be making excuses to meet you, not going out mid week and arranging a 'maybe' plan for Sunday....   

... At which point you'll fold and start messaging her because she wont have messaged you (out of sight out of mind)....

 

And then you'll tell us all that you are at level 5 - because she replied to your message - until you find out she went out and 'hung out' again (without you) - but she must have been with friends or her sister because she didn't tell you she was on a date.

 

 

57 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Just like on date 3, when it started so well, but then they stole her umbrella at this bar, and she didn't like the cocktails and atmosphere. Small things can make a big difference. Things that are wholly outside of my sphere of control.

 

The atmosphere is entirely within your sphere of control - with 'game' you can make any date fun, enjoyable and create the spark but only IF the other party (this girl) is open to that... 

 

 

I was on a date with a girl...   disaster struck..   we went to a nice restaurant and it was dead !! we were the only people in there...   Food was amazing, but the atmosphere was dead - just light background music... 

Then I heard 80's musing being played - Winner, I asked them to crank it up a little... 

10 mins later we were singing along, spoons as microphones with instructing to the staff... another bottle of wine on the table and and keep the 80's music coming...    Staff thought we were mad - we had a great time.

 

54 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

You think she's going on a 'date with you'...  She thinks she's 'hanging out'... 

 

Sorry, Richard, you're talking nonsense. When I first asked her out I specifically asked her out on a "date". 

 

The whole structure of the entire thing is the very epitomy of a date. I pick her up in my car. We drive to a restaurant, then have cocktails after. It can't be any more "date".

 

Her thinking she's "hanging out" is just your fantasy, you're way off.

 

54 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

... and with exactly the same logic - she's been hanging out with anyone she wants to - and it could easily have been suitors or even current flings - you simply have no idea and just want to beleive it was friends and sister.

 

Well, I know from her own mouth, that she went to a club with her sister, I saw the photos, it's what she does. The very fact that she told me she  went out and got drunk show it was innocent. The worrds "hang out" clearly imply friends or sister, not a date with a guy.

 

Like I said, we've been here before, imputing all kinds of nefarious activity on her part, when she went on a trip supposedly she was with a guy. Turns out she picked up her mother to nurse her. All very innocent.

 

You have zero evidence of course that she was out with a guy. None. Bupkess.

 

54 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

This numbers thing is hilarious -

 

Yes, it is quite hilarious how you could get that so wrong. I knew right away that her interest could never be at "1" because she agreed to go on 3 dates already. So her interest must have been at least at 5, since girls only go out with guys who meet their minimum attraction threshold and that is a 5.

 

The fact that she agreed to date 4 conclusively proves that you are wrong on this, her interest could never be a  1, if she agrees to go on date 4.

 

54 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

a girl he hasn't even kissed for real yet - just an accidental fumble which she shied away from because her 'mother might have been watching' then nervously giggled.. probably out of awkwardness...  You misinterpreted that as her liking it.

 

I kissed her. It was not a "fumble", but a very purposeful approach where I hugged her towards me, she did NOT shy away, she was just moving. Movingt towards me, in fact. Her smile showed she was delighted. You weren't even there, I was.

 

54 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

You are 1 - in the 'friend zone' or 'hanging out' zone...  just above a 0 which is - someone she knows and thats it....  when you are a 2, she will start instigating text messaging and call you.

 

She's already instigated texting and texted me first, twice. However, I find it almost incomprehensible that you persist in this totally misguided misunderstanding of the interest scale. If she were at 1 she would not text me at 8.26 am as soon as she gets up. She would not agree to a date. She is at least at a 5, possibly higher.

 

54 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

If this girl knows what you are after and is inclined to be open to your advances - you'd know about it.

 

She knows very well what I'm after, however, she is from a traditional Chinese family, a Christian, opening her up does not happen quickly, it takes time. She has opened up, things have gone quite well in parts.

 

54 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

If you were a 5 - she'd be making excuses to meet you, not going out mid week and arranging a 'maybe' plan for Sunday..

 

No, Richard, I can see you are completely clueless about this. If she were making excuses to see me and pursuing me she'd be at an 8, not a 5. You're not versed in this. Completely out of your depth.

 

The plan for Sunday is firm, and not a "maybe" plan. Going out midweek can have a variety of reasons, but yes, that was not good from my perspective.

 

54 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

And then you'll tell us all that you are at level 5 - because she replied to your message - until you find out she went out and 'hung out' again (without you) - but she must have been with friends or her sister because she didn't tell you she was on a date.

 

Pure fantasy. No need to comnment on this.

 

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

The atmosphere is entirely within your sphere of control - with 'game' you can make any date fun, enjoyable and create the spark but only IF the other party (this girl) is open to that... 

 

 

I was on a date with a girl...   disaster struck..   we went to a nice restaurant and it was dead !! we were the only people in there...   Food was amazing, but the atmosphere was dead - just light background music... 

Then I heard 80's musing being played - Winner, I asked them to crank it up a little... 

10 mins later we were singing along, spoons as microphones with instructing to the staff... another bottle of wine on the table and and keep the 80's music coming...    Staff thought we were mad - we had a great time.

 

 

Not really.  You just got lucky they played 80s music you both liked, had they not done that, had they played music she didn't like, then you would not have "had a great time". You got lucky. It wasn't your "game". It was just pure luck.

 

I suppose I could have sussed out the bar, to know beforehand the type of atmossphere there, what cocktails were like, but even then it would have been impossible to predict that someone would steal her umbrella. That really gave that second part of the date the coupe de grace. When she realised her umbrella was gone, obviously she was not pleased.

 

As for "game" it is completely unnecessary when two people are compatible, the interaction feels natural and in any event authenticity is clearly preferable to "game", as I see again and again, and with CM girl too. When we do interact, it is natural, effortless and enoyable for the most part. When the chemistry is just there, game is not needed.

 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

This sample of texting shows your "conversation" to be one-sided. Her replies show indifference. Do you not see it that way? 

3 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

This sample of texting shows your "conversation" to be one-sided. Her replies show indifference. Do you not see it that way? 

 

Fist of all, that's not CM girl. That's Phuket girl.

 

And no, I don't see it that way, the real reason for her two word replies is that this girl speaks almost no English.

 

One of the reasons why, as pretty as this girl is, she is clearly in third place behind CM girl, who is able to express herself extremely well in English, and behind BKK girl, whose English is also considerably better than Phuket girl.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Fist of all, that's not CM girl. That's Phuket girl.

 

And no, I don't see it that way, the real reason for her two word replies is that this girl speaks almost no English.

Sorry, my mistake, I was forgetting your "pipeline" 

25 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

Sorry, my mistake, I was forgetting your "pipeline" 

 

No worries.

 

Hopefully the pipeline can be disbanded soon.

 

I've actually cut out the Filipina virgin yesterday, as she was annoying me, and I trust progress with CM girl will be made and the pipline is strong enough without the Filipina.

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

I don't think so, she's actually being very honest and straight up with me.

 

You 'believe' she's being honest and straight up with you.. 

 

You think you've kissed each other - she moved away cos she said her mother might have been watching, you managed to land on the side of her neck/hairline - you think that counts as a kiss.

 

She's been out without you - you've no idea who with, but have assured yourself its just with friends or a sister - realistically you have no idea.

 

She has very expensive gifts from other men.

 

You've been on three dates - nothings happend - you've got pawsy like a grizzly bear - and think thats romantic.

 

 

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

3 hours ago, marin said:

So you can lie to the girls but how do you feel about the girls lying to you?

 

Not great, but they do it anyway, so what's good for the goose....As Napoleon said, in love and war, all's fair.

 

He doesn't believe they are lying to him - he believes them everything a girl says... "he knows from her own mouth"...     

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Well, I know from her own mouth, that she went to a club with her sister, I saw the photos, it's what she does. The very fact that she told me she  went out and got drunk show it was innocent. The worrds "hang out" clearly imply friends or sister, not a date with a guy.

She told you she went out - that doesn't prove anything - neither does one photo....

.. But earlier you mentioned "almost certainly girlfriends" - you language betrays that you have no idea - and now made up that you've seen photos !!!...  You are even lying to yourself now ! if you had seen proof you would have a) mentioned it earlier, and b) not used the word 'almost' (because that implies uncertainty).

15 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Almost certainly not. See she ADMITTED she went out and got drunk. So almost certainly girlfriends or sister. If it was a guy she would not have admitted it.

 

She's hanging out with friends - female or male...  who knows there isn't another one of you who she hangs out with... thats an almost certain possibility !!! 

 

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

No, Richard, I can see you are completely clueless about this.

 

This is rather comical from a guy who has no idea if he's coming or going when it comes to a relationship - is on a 3rd date and thinks he kissed a girl who 'shied away' becasue she though her mum was watching, then in another sentence he says she 'moved towards and embraced him'...  You can't even be honest with yourself.

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Her thinking she's "hanging out" is just your fantasy, you're way off.

erm...  my fantasy...erm... 

 

I hope it works out for you - but you seem delusional - so much so you are interpreting the tiniest of interactions as overblown feelings of intimacy and interest.... 

 

I'm invested now - I'm interested if you break and start texting her tomorrow...

Or if you hold off on texting completely and see if she texts you on Sunday to confirm dinner.

 

 

I think this thread has been so popular because people see the 'lost puppy' delusion and want to see you do well but also see how you have really over interpreted things through pure hope.

 

 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

1 hour ago, ChrisKC said:

This sample of texting shows your "conversation" to be one-sided. Her replies show indifference. Do you not see it that way? 

 

Fist of all, that's not CM girl. That's Phuket girl.

 

And no, I don't see it that way, the real reason for her two word replies is that this girl speaks almost no English.

 

One of the reasons why, as pretty as this girl is, she is clearly in third place behind CM girl, who is able to express herself extremely well in English, and behind BKK girl, whose English is also considerably better than Phuket girl.

 

Thats clearly indifference from Phuket Girl - there's plenty of translation features built into messaging - If she was not indifferent, you would have received longer more 'invested' replies instead of the "up to you" style of response.

 

 

 

 

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

You 'believe' she's being honest and straight up with you.. 

 

Yes. She told me straight up she went out on Wednesday night and got drunk. She hung out with her friends. She's very straight and honest. There was no need for her to say this. At all. But she was honest. It's good.  Of course I say "believe" because you can't be 100%. But everything points to her being honest.

 

Just as when she said she would go to Chiang Dao hospital. In the early morning she sent a video of of the hospital. Again, very straight, very honest. 

 

At date 2, she told me her 3 bad sides. She comes across as pretty straight and honest, I have to say. Apart from a few minor things like the disappearing photos on Insta.

 

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

You think you've kissed each other - she moved away cos she said her mother might have been watching, you managed to land on the side of her neck/hairline - you think that counts as a kiss.

 

She did not "move away". She moved towards me. She was kissed, I kissed her. Afterwards she said jokingly "I hope mother didn't see that", as she realized what happened. It was a joke and it was cute.

 

I did not kiss her "hairline", i kissed her near her ear.

 

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

She's been out without you - you've no idea who with, but have assured yourself its just with friends or a sister - realistically you have no idea.

 

It's almost certainly friends or sister. If it were a guy she wouldn't have mentioned it all, and she wouldn't have used the words "hang out" which points to friends or sister.

 

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

She has very expensive gifts from other men.

 

You're assuming things Richard. You don't know this for sure. It could be a gift from her aunt, maybe she got it herself. It may have been a gift, that's just an assumption though.

 

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

You've been on three dates - nothings happend - you've got pawsy like a grizzly bear - and think thats romantic.

 

I said Octopus Richard. Maybe it was a bit too much on date 2. The dates were extremely romantic. If you'd seen the scene, we were walking hand in hand through the lush tropical garden at 137 Pillars, it was quite a scene to behold. A lot happened on those dates. I made her more comfortable and she started to trust me more.

 

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

She told you she went out - that doesn't prove anything - neither does one photo....

.. But earlier you mentioned "almost certainly girlfriends" - you language betrays that you have no idea - and now made up that you've seen photos !!!...  You are even lying to yourself now ! if you had seen proof you would have a) mentioned it earlier, and b) not used the word 'almost' (because that implies uncertainty).

 

Total speculative nonsense. You have no proof of anything and are just assuming things. The evidence firmly points to her going out with her sister, as does the language she used. I did not "make up" that I saw photos. I saw photos on her Insta of her and her sister at a nightclub.

 

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

She's hanging out with friends - female or male...  who knows there isn't another one of you who she hangs out with... thats an almost certain possibility !!! 

 

Your wild imagination is getting the better of you again, Richard, you have no proof of anything. Even if she were hanging out with another guy, she has every right to do so at this point.

 

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

- is on a 3rd date and thinks he kissed a girl who 'shied away' becasue she though her mum was watching, then in another sentence he says she 'moved towards and embraced him'...  You can't even be honest with yourself.

 

She didn't shy away, again you're imagining things, Richard. I NEVER said she shied away. You did. I didn't. She moved towards me, I embraced her and she partially embraced me. Then I kissed her. I've been very honest, you're mendaciously trying to sully a beautiful thing with your pedestrian imagination. I'm very disappointed in you, Richard.

 

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

but you seem delusional

 

You seem a bit delusional yourself with all the things you're imagining without a shred of evidence.

 

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

o you are interpreting the tiniest of interactions as overblown feelings of intimacy and interest...

 

There is CLEAR interest. She agreed to date four. There was intimacy, chemistry and tenderness. I'm very sorry, you see the need to denigrate this beautiful expression of two people's attraction.

 

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I'm invested now - I'm interested if you break and start texting her tomorrow...

Or if you hold off on texting completely and see if she texts you on Sunday to confirm dinner.

 

I probably will text her, because it's 2025, and texting is more normal, than not texting. Texting her yesterday clearly was the right move, as it sealed date four. You got it wrong again.

 

However, if I wouldn't text she'd text to confirm. She's very reliable.

 

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I think this thread has been so popular because people see the 'lost puppy' delusion and want to see you do well but also see how you have really over interpreted things through pure hope.

 

I'm not "over interpreting" anything. My interpretations are spot on. Yours have been rather off mark, if you don't mind me saying so.

 

 

39 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Thats clearly indifference from Phuket Girl - there's plenty of translation features built into messaging - If she was not indifferent, you would have received longer more 'invested' replies instead of the "up to you" style of response.

 

 

 

 

 

It's me who is indifferent to Phuket Girl. She's dying to come.

 

She just texts in a simple and curt way because she can't speak much English. You're adding to all your other mistakes by mistaking a language issue for lack of interest.

Pleased you've got another date with your China girl.

 

Has she heard that song?

 

Maybe play it to her on your date...

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, Bacon1 said:

Pleased you've got another date with your China girl.

 

Has she heard that song?

 

Maybe play it to her on your date...

 

 

 

 

Oh my God, I love that song. I forgot all about it. I will play it on loop until Sunday.

 

Planning the date now. 

 

As one looks at the video, the official one, you can see the strength of Chinese women, their intelligence, tenacity and focus, as well as their penchant for  play and fun. It's spot on.

 

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

It's me who is indifferent to Phuket Girl. She's dying to come.

 

She just texts in a simple and curt way because she can't speak much English. You're adding to all your other mistakes by mistaking a language issue for lack of interest.

 

She's indifferent - she wants to come for the money, thats it.

 

You are mistaking her indifference for a language issue - if she were 'really into' coming - you've be getting better messages from here that showing a lot more interest.

 

Messaging Apps have a translation feature - language is no longer an issue for messaging at all.

 

You really do not know how to read a situation...   you've come here to discuss it and show a great deal of naivety. 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

You 'believe' she's being honest and straight up with you.. 

 

Yes. She told me straight up she went out on Wednesday night and got drunk. She hung out with her friends. She's very straight and honest. There was no need for her to say this. At all. But she was honest. It's good.  Of course I say "believe" because you can't be 100%. But everything points to her being honest.

 

Just as when she said she would go to Chiang Dao hospital. In the early morning she sent a video of of the hospital. Again, very straight, very honest. 

 

At date 2, she told me her 3 bad sides. She comes across as pretty straight and honest, I have to say. Apart from a few minor things like the disappearing photos on Insta.

 

She has a video of her being at a hosptial at somepoint - thats all you know - and have assumed / beleived it was at that time - unless it was a live call you simply do not know.

 

She 'said' she hung out with friends, again, you have no proof - and IF she were with a guy, she could still say she hung out with her frieinds.

 

If she has a photo with friends, was it from that night ? - you have no idea.

 

Believing everything 100% is where you are being naive - be careful wanting something to be true so hard you ignore any flags.

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

You think you've kissed each other - she moved away cos she said her mother might have been watching, you managed to land on the side of her neck/hairline - you think that counts as a kiss.

 

She did not "move away". She moved towards me. She was kissed, I kissed her. Afterwards she said jokingly "I hope mother didn't see that", as she realized what happened. It was a joke and it was cute.

 

I did not kiss her "hairline", i kissed her near her ear.

 

You said before she was moving away as you went to kiss her which is why you 'missed' and caught her neck.

Now she moved towards you ? - which is it ? you keep changing your story to try and convince us.

 

Hairline, near the ear - no difference - You didnt kiss her lips - its not a kiss in the mutual sense - she did not kiss you... You tried to kiss her and missed...    If you lifted her hand and kissed it - would you call that a kiss - in the romantic sense ?

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

She's been out without you - you've no idea who with, but have assured yourself its just with friends or a sister - realistically you have no idea.

 

It's almost certainly friends or sister. If it were a guy she wouldn't have mentioned it all, and she wouldn't have used the words "hang out" which points to friends or sister.

 

There is no such thing as 'Almost certain' - something is either certain or it isn't... 

And you are not certain who she was with - you want to be certain - but you can't be, so are pulling the wool over your own eyes.

 

Sorry to be the deliverer of this news - but as an outsider you are trying way too hard to believe something you can't possibly know and pinning your emotions on that.

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

She has very expensive gifts from other men.

You're assuming things Richard. You don't know this for sure. It could be a gift from her aunt, maybe she got it herself. It may have been a gift, that's just an assumption though.

 

You already said it was her Korean Ex who bought it for her - why change your story now ?

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

You've been on three dates - nothings happend - you've got pawsy like a grizzly bear - and think thats romantic.

I said Octopus Richard. Maybe it was a bit too much on date 2. The dates were extremely romantic. If you'd seen the scene, we were walking hand in hand through the lush tropical garden at 137 Pillars, it was quite a scene to behold. A lot happened on those dates. I made her more comfortable and she started to trust me more.

 

You said Grizzly Bear !!!  - your words !!!

18 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Like I said, I pawed her like a Grizzly Bear on that second date

 

A lot happend ??? - nothing happened, you walked and had a hand hold.

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

She told you she went out - that doesn't prove anything - neither does one photo....

.. But earlier you mentioned "almost certainly girlfriends" - you language betrays that you have no idea - and now made up that you've seen photos !!!...  You are even lying to yourself now ! if you had seen proof you would have a) mentioned it earlier, and b) not used the word 'almost' (because that implies uncertainty).

Total speculative nonsense. You have no proof of anything and are just assuming things. The evidence firmly points to her going out with her sister, as does the language she used. I did not "make up" that I saw photos. I saw photos on her Insta of her and her sister at a nightclub.

 

Firstly you were claiming she 'said'... now you have added that you saw photo's... 

Have you really - or are you trying to convince us ?

 

 

If there truly is a series of Instagram photos taken throughout the night and its only her and a friend / sister - then thats a good sign...  

- are you sure its that night / is it just one photo or lots ? / if just one then anythig else could be going out outside of that timeframe - you really don't know.

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

She's hanging out with friends - female or male...  who knows there isn't another one of you who she hangs out with... thats an almost certain possibility !!! 

Your wild imagination is getting the better of you again, Richard, you have no proof of anything. Even if she were hanging out with another guy, she has every right to do so at this point.

 

Thats true - she has every right, and you have no proof that she isn't - thats why people are warning caution because you seem a but love struck - like a teenager... 

 

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

- is on a 3rd date and thinks he kissed a girl who 'shied away' becasue she though her mum was watching, then in another sentence he says she 'moved towards and embraced him'...  You can't even be honest with yourself.

She didn't shy away, again you're imagining things, Richard. I NEVER said she shied away. You did. I didn't. She moved towards me, I embraced her and she partially embraced me. Then I kissed her. I've been very honest, you're mendaciously trying to sully a beautiful thing with your pedestrian imagination. I'm very disappointed in you, Richard.

 

Quite... She moved towards you, you embraced her, she partially embraced you, you moved to kiss her and then she moved (turned her head away its seems) and somehow you ended up kissing her on the side of her head - and that wasn't shying away...   Got it !!!   (and how does someone 'partially embrace you back ???)

20 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

No, I kissed her, as she came out of the house, I moved towards her with my left arm, went for a semi-hug, pulled her close and gave her a kiss, as she was moving it landed half on the ear and temple.

 

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

but you seem delusional

You seem a bit delusional yourself with all the things you're imagining without a shred of evidence.

 

I'm going by your descriptions - and by what you describe - which keeps shifting as your delusion evolves... 

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

o you are interpreting the tiniest of interactions as overblown feelings of intimacy and interest...

There is CLEAR interest. She agreed to date four. There was intimacy, chemistry and tenderness. I'm very sorry, you see the need to denigrate this beautiful expression of two people's attraction.

 

Sure she's interested - or not disinterested - she may enjoy your company and want to be friends. 

What you have descrubed - you have shown tenderness to her, she has not shown any in return other than good manners.... There has been no intimacy - thats a complete delusion - as far as Chemistry goes, you have no idea - you've tried and failed to move in for a kiss and missed and caught the side of her head !! thats not Chemistry.

 

I'm not denigrating a 'beatiful' situation - I'm keeping you 'real' so you don't get hurt - be real with yourself - dont be so scared you spend the next two weeks analysing an accidental brush of your leg.

 

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I'm invested now - I'm interested if you break and start texting her tomorrow...

Or if you hold off on texting completely and see if she texts you on Sunday to confirm dinner.

 

I probably will text her, because it's 2025, and texting is more normal, than not texting. Texting her yesterday clearly was the right move, as it sealed date four. You got it wrong again.

 

However, if I wouldn't text she'd text to confirm. She's very reliable.

 

So you'll text her - but not because is 2025, but because you are scared she will not text you.

 

If you really want to know if she's 'into you' - you wait until Sunday, then she will text you to ask where and what time ?  - if she doesn't she's not into you.

 

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

I think this thread has been so popular because people see the 'lost puppy' delusion and want to see you do well but also see how you have really over interpreted things through pure hope.

I'm not "over interpreting" anything. My interpretations are spot on. Yours have been rather off mark, if you don't mind me saying so.

 

Ohhh... I've never seen such an over-analysis and over-interpretation of such insignificant and minute details before..... 

You are smitten, awestruck and completely bamboozled - so much so you there's a complete grasp of reality you are missing....   You are very probably so nervous about Sunday already - also you are probably so fearful that something will come up and she will cancel....   thats why you want to text her and try and make sure this is locked in..... 

 

I do wish you the best and hope it works out - but If it is to work out, you really are going to have to act like an adult about all this.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

She's indifferent - she wants to come for the money, thats it.

 

You are mistaking her indifference for a language issue - if she were 'really into' coming - you've be getting better messages from here that showing a lot more interest.

 

Messaging Apps have a translation feature - language is no longer an issue for messaging at all.

 

You really do not know how to read a situation...   you've come here to discuss it and show a great deal of naivety. 

 

Maybe you're picking up on something that is a result of an argument we had. She had mentioned she had debts. I asked her to list the items. She did, but without the monthly installments.

 

When I asked her to disclose those, she said "Secret". At hat point I told her it's better she goes see someone else because if she's not open and transparent with me than it would not work.

 

She came back to me, to make up. But maybe that's what you're picking up on. This was recently.

 

She's definitely not "indifferent", she's posted several times about CM and is enthusiastic about coming here. She's extremely lazy, so she doesn't like to use a translation app.

 

You think you're "reading a situation", but you don't really have the full facts. You just speculate.  It's quite amusing for me.

 

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

She has a video of her being at a hosptial at somepoint - thats all you know - and have assumed / beleived it was at that time - unless it was a live call you simply do not know.

 

Lol, you're overanalzying and over-interpreting Richard. She went to hospital, did a video and sent it. There's not more to it.

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

She 'said' she hung out with friends, again, you have no proof - and IF she were with a guy, she could still say she hung out with her frieinds.

 

If she had been with a guy she would have been under no obligation to say she went out and got drunk. She just would have kept it quiet then. Again, you're over-analyzing this.

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Believing everything 100% is where you are being naive - be careful wanting something to be true so hard you ignore any flags.

 

I don't believe everything, I reserve judgement, and she gets the benefit of the doubt. Do you have proof she was with a guy? What is it? Believing everything is stupid, but not believing the truth is even more stupid.

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

You said before she was moving away as you went to kiss her which is why you 'missed' and caught her neck.

Now she moved towards you ? - which is it ? you keep changing your story to try and convince us.

 

It was a magical moment, the birth of something. Do you remember your own birth? I know she was moving towards me. I extended my left arm to hug her, she came towards me and as she was moving I kissed her just in front of her ear. These details are not that important. I kissed her, that's all there's to it.  Lol, I'm not tryingt to convince anyone, it's just to remember each detail like this, is as if you see a beautiful butterfly and you want to dissect every piece. It's tiresome.

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

You didnt kiss her lips - its not a kiss in the mutual sense - she did not kiss you... You tried to kiss her and missed...   

 

Because she was moving. I was overeager. Yes, in hindsight moving slower would have been smarter, I kind of rushed into her as she was walking towards me. I never said it was mutual, I always said "I kissed her".

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

There is no such thing as 'Almost certain' - something is either certain or it isn't... 

And you are not certain who she was with - you want to be certain - but you can't be, so are pulling the wool over your own eyes.

 

Sorry to be the deliverer of this news - but as an outsider you are trying way too hard to believe something you can't possibly know and pinning your emotions on that.

 

 

You have no "news". All you have is rampant speculation without any shred of evidence. We know she goes out with her sister and girlfriend. We know she said she was hanging out, this all points towards her hanging out with sisters. As much was you want to twist and turn the evidence, the evidence points only one way. That there is no certainty is not news to me. But the preponderance of evidence points one way.

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

You already said it was her Korean Ex who bought it for her - why change your story now ?

 

She has no Korean Ex. She has a Taiwanese Ex. I did consider he may have bought it. if you look at when the Iphone 17 Pro Max came out, it is very recently, after she told me she broke up with the Taiwanese guy. So it is possible she got the phone from an aunt, got it herself, there is no real evidence the Taiwanese ex bought it. By the time it came out their relationship was over already.

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

You said Grizzly Bear !!!  - your words !!!

 

Ok, I said Grizzly Bear, afterwards I said Octopus, are you going to overanalyze it as I somehow mauled her with a salmon? You're really overanalzying this.

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

A lot happend ??? - nothing happened, you walked and had a hand hold.

 

You weren't there. A lot happened which you don't know. I know.

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Firstly you were claiming she 'said'... now you have added that you saw photo's... 

Have you really - or are you trying to convince us ?

 

It's both she said it and I saw the photos.

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Quite... She moved towards you, you embraced her, she partially embraced you, you moved to kiss her and then she moved (turned her head away its seems) and somehow you ended up kissing her on the side of her head - and that wasn't shying away...   Got it !!!   (and how does someone 'partially embrace you back ???)

 

No, she didn't turn her head, she didn't shy away. She was just moving, I was moving so it ended up near her ear. I lingered, she did not pull back. She definitely did not "shy away". Her arm came out, but she didn't pull me hard, like I didn't. It was a delicate embrace. But the best was, this greatly raised her interest. After this, she sent a video next day and texted me all day and night. This was because of the kiss.

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Sure she's interested - or not disinterested - she may enjoy your company and want to be friends. 

What you have descrubed - you have shown tenderness to her, she has not shown any in return other than good manners.... There has been no intimacy - thats a complete delusion - as far as Chemistry goes, you have no idea - you've tried and failed to move in for a kiss and missed and caught the side of her head !! thats not Chemistry.

 

She is obviously interested,if she weren't she would not agree to date four. Obviously she enjoys my company, like I enjoy hers. Yes she has shown tenderness, she grabbed my hand tenderly, she let me kiss her, she laughed, there was tenderness and chemistry. I know when there's chemistry. We harmonize very well in conversation..

 

The notion that a date is a failure because you did not smash, stick your tongue down her throat or similar is nonsense. I can go 6 months or longer without having sex with her. The time before you have sex is when she is at her best behaviour, when the relationship is the most beautiful, when she's giggly and delightful. After you have sex it changes everything, the dynamic completely changes. I am in no rush to have sex of any kind.

 

This one is not about sex. This one I really like.

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

I'm keeping you 'real' so you don't get hurt -

 

There is nothing you can do stop me get hurt. If I get hurt, so be it, it's happened before. I'm unbreakable. OF course it could happen, but if you don't run the risk of this pain you will never get the chance to be with a woman like this. It's par for the course.

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

So you'll text her - but not because is 2025, but because you are scared she will not text you.

 

If you really want to know if she's 'into you' - you wait until Sunday, then she will text you to ask where and what time ?  - if she doesn't she's not into you.

 

Listen, Richard. I know her. This girl is reliable. She is not like these flakes. She texted me before the 3rd date. If I don't write she would text for sure. She's smart. She wouldn't get dressed up for 5 hours without confirming.

 

But I want to write because it's strange not to write. It's weird if I get the date and then never text. Like I only text her because I want something from her. It's better to text. Not a lot. But just some, so you keep contact.

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Ohhh... I've never seen such an over-analysis and over-interpretation of such insignificant and minute details before..... 

 

That applies to your posts here, mine are just better.

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

ou are smitten, awestruck and completely bamboozled - so much so you there's a complete grasp of reality you are missing....

 

I am smitten. Okay, you got me. But not "awestruck". I mean she is amazing and...okay maybe I am a little awestruck, because she truly is awesome in the beauty of her nature and character, as well as body and face, but "bamboozled"...nah. My grasp on reality is very much intact Dr Freud.

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

You are very probably so nervous about Sunday already - also you are probably so fearful that something will come up and she will cancel....   thats why you want to text her and try and make sure this is locked in..... 

 

Nope. Not nervous in the slightest. I love organizing dates. And I truly look forward to seeing her again so much, you have no idea. She will not cancel. She doesn't do that. She didn't cancel 3 times, why would she start now? It's just nicer to text and keep contact. Nothing to do with that. I don't need to lock her in, she wants to come.

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

I do wish you the best and hope it works out - but If it is to work out, you really are going to have to act like an adult about all this.

 

Thank you, Richard. And you have a point. I can't say "You look so good I could eat you, if you weren't human I'd put you in a frying pan"...That would be wrong. It would be saying something stupid. I will say something adult, because I am an adult. It'll be fine. It was fine for 3 dates. Don't jinx it!

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

I am an adult

Then why so many lies? Even to your Phuket "slut", the most honest woman.

You still contact her and tell you are so busy working. She is not shameless, you seem to be.

Just say "im picking up another girl, you cant come now, wait till I have time again".

Nagging about work, adult? Maybe once be honest for a change.

CM girl you also dont trust and you are flabbergasted when she is out drinking and drunk.

Well you only had some dates, cant call it anything else, so what do you expect?

Yha, you expect more, but ...?

But in mean time you are browsing the Insta and have Insta meeting with "slut".

The "slut" you call lazy and shows she wants money, then why you ever want further contact?

You want to be annoyed then by Phuket girl? 

She must have promised you lot of other things, off which you say is not important?

Quid quo pro?

 

Once stepped in a bar in Phuket, Weird situation, All Thai were in the back of bar.

Why, as the rich Thai men seem to be in the bar and all women cling with them.

Were some lovely ladies dancing on bar, so watched that for a short while and left again.

Not even a beer or what, didnt like the ambiance and the situation.

Sure exciting for a young, now released CM girl? Who knows. Thai rich guys meeting in CM?

Weird, the memory popped up in brain, must have something to do with this situation.

 

Thai women , they are young and then it is hunting time, the older you get, the less chance on wealthy Thai man.

Be as white as snow white, as that raises your chance. Funny , as whites go to Thailand to get brown.

People are strange

 

9 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

You still contact her and tell you are so busy working.

 

I am busy working. You think organizing a date for CM girl is easy? That girl is a gourmet. She just posted two pics on her Insta eating at two different restaurants. Eating great food is an everyday thing for her.

 

9 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

She is not shameless, you seem to be.

 

Well, if you look into an abyss, you become the abyss.

 

9 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

Just say "im picking up another girl, you cant come now, wait till I have time again".

 

Yes, I should also say on dating apps "Only girls who do 2 hour Bjs please". Seems a great tactic. For failure.

 

9 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

CM girl you also dont trust and you are flabbergasted when she is out drinking and drunk.

 

Not fully no, I don't trust anybody fully. And her going out and getting drunk, let's face it, it's not a good look. But at least she w

as honest about it.

 

9 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

But in mean time you are browsing the Insta and have Insta meeting with "slut".

The "slut" you call lazy and shows she wants money, then why you ever want further contact?

 

I like her. She's interesting. Also honest, very beguiling face and body.

9 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

You want to be annoyed then by Phuket girl? 

 

I would give her a chance if CM girl were to, God forbid, walk away. The horror.

 

9 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

She must have promised you lot of other things, off which you say is not important?

 

Not really, she's just interesting and attractive. I kinda like her.

 

9 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

Sure exciting for a young, now released CM girl? Who knows. Thai rich guys meeting in CM?

 

CM girl does go to a nightclub where the rich Thai guys go, to stand around. The less I know, the better.