10 minutes ago, JimHuaHin said:

Which came first, autism or vaccines?

It's not a question of what came first.  

The landmark-report I posted to open this thread is quite clear on that one > childhood vaccination is the dominant risk factor to develop autism spectrum disorder (ASD). 

But vaccines are not the only factor that can lead to children developing ASD (even before being born). 

The picture below illustrates this: 

 

 

Not everybody has the time or inclination to read the 82-page report (containing 30 pages of references as it refers to 300 studies that have been conducted on the autism topic). 

So here a link to an article that provides in non-scientific medical lingo an accurate summary of the report. 

> https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/biggest-risk-factor-autism-multiple-vaccines-andrew-wakefield

 

47 minutes ago, JimHuaHin said:

Which came first, autism or vaccines?

What is 'autism'? The definitions have changed down the decades.

The problem is that there is no "debate", just ginned up noise spawned of lies. It is the same "debate" as flat earth. None!

 

The only debate is what to do to control the fraudsters perpetuating the lies to their own sycophants. It is their own kids that will be sacrificed on the altar of stupidity.

Thank you for posting the article about the dominant risk factors for autism.

 

I would like to propose an alternative viewpoint from a different perspective to reach a solution.

 

Your primary perspective seems to emphasize the physical world variables.  Since human beings have a physical body and an invisible soul, have you considered studying this autism issue from the unseen, spiritual perspective?

 

The Holy Bible has a definite opinion on this issue.  There is a direct stated command to directly reject sorcerers who conjure up fears tricking people into taking magic potion treatments.  Referring to this practice as an abomination.  By doing this you paralyze your innate power and tap into a poison power.

 

Moses, just prior to reaching the promised land flowing with milk and honey delivered his blessings and curses speech.

 

He mentioned those who reject Divine guidance and lust after sorcerers and their trickery, will be emersed in a cloud of Divine confusion.  Autism.  In other words the curses of sickness come as a consequence of rejecting truth.  The signal of health is cutoff and autism results with the weakened signal.

 

In other words, this is primarily a spiritual affliction, not a medical one.

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

The problem is that there is no "debate", just ginned up noise spawned of lies. It is the same "debate" as flat earth. None!

 

The only debate is what to do to control the fraudsters perpetuating the lies to their own sycophants. It is their own kids that will be sacrificed on the altar of stupidity.

Well Sir! We can't debate with you as we - the non-pro-vaxxers group - don't know your position on health, and more specifically on covid and vaccines.

 

Instead of non-sensical words, be a little more eloquent, and state your position on things. Then we can discuss matters.

13 minutes ago, Mark Nothing said:

Thank you for posting the article about the dominant risk factors for autism.

 

I would like to propose an alternative viewpoint from a different perspective to reach a solution.

 

Your primary perspective seems to emphasize the physical world variables.  Since human beings have a physical body and an invisible soul, have you considered studying this autism issue from the unseen, spiritual perspective?

 

The Holy Bible has a definite opinion on this issue.  There is a direct stated command to directly reject sorcerers who conjure up fears tricking people into taking magic potion treatments.  Referring to this practice as an abomination.  By doing this you paralyze your innate power and tap into a poison power.

 

Moses, just prior to reaching the promised land flowing with milk and honey delivered his blessings and curses speech.

 

He mentioned those who reject Divine guidance and lust after sorcerers and their trickery, will be emersed in a cloud of Divine confusion.  Autism.  In other words the curses of sickness come as a consequence of rejecting truth.  The signal of health is cutoff and autism results with the weakened signal.

 

In other words, this is primarily a spiritual affliction, not a medical one.

I hear you on this Sir.

 

I don't agree fully, but you are right to bring the spiritual aspects to our attention. So mush of our ill-health is because the mind is convinced the body is ill. 

 

The modern day sorceress are - IMO - the White-coats and 3 letter agencies. Their job is to trick believing people into a never-ending cycle of ill-health and cures.

 

The spiritual side to health is underestimated for sure.

 

We must come together to throw off the sorcerers who want to harm, and confuse, for their own personal monetary gain. We can achieve our true destiny. It is within our grasp.

 

Unite with nature alongside, and we will surely be victorious.

11 hours ago, Mark Nothing said:

In other words, this is primarily a spiritual affliction, not a medical one.

 

There is another alternate viewpoint that is the opposite of yours - that it is a "spiritual gift".

 

Some people are claiming that autistic children have ESP (extra-sensory perception).

 

Don't know if there is any basis for this or if it's just a bunch of crackpots. Still have not had time to really watch this video.

 

 

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Well Sir! We can't debate with you as we - the non-pro-vaxxers group - don't know your position on health, and more specifically on covid and vaccines.

 

Instead of non-sensical words, be a little more eloquent, and state your position on things. Then we can discuss matters.

 

Post removed.

Quoted two members, without comment.

 

@rattlesnake

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Well Sir! We can't debate with you as we - the non-pro-vaxxers group - don't know your position on health, and more specifically on covid and vaccines.

 

Instead of non-sensical words, be a little more eloquent, and state your position on things. Then we can discuss matters.

 

Here you go, Stiddle, he has stated his position on things very clearly.
 

 

On 10/28/2025 at 1:48 PM, Red Phoenix said:

The Autism Debate - New Report Reveals Vaccines as the "Dominant Risk Factor"

Landmark report identifies childhood vaccination as the primary modifiable risk factor.

Source: https://metatron.substack.com/p/the-autism-debate-new-report-reveals

= = = 

 

In what should prove to be a watershed moment in autism research, the McCullough Foundation has released the most comprehensive analysis ever conducted on autism’s causes. After evaluating over 300 studies, the conclusion is alarming: while autism spectrum disorder (ASD) has multiple contributing factors, vaccination emerges as the most significant modifiable risk factor.

 

You can access the full 82 page report (including 32 pages of references to other studies) here > https://zenodo.org/records/17451259

 

Report Conclusion: The totality of evidence supports a multifactorial model of ASD in which genetic predisposition, neuroimmune biology, environmental toxicants, perinatal stressors, and iatrogenic exposures converge to produce the phenotype of a post-encephalitic state. Combination and early-timed routine childhood vaccination constitutes the most significant modifiable risk factor for ASD, supported by convergent mechanistic, clinical, and epidemiologic findings, and characterized by intensified use, the clustering of multiple doses during critical neurodevelopmental windows, and the lack of research on the cumulative safety of the full pediatric schedule. As ASD prevalence continues to rise at an unprecedented pace, clarifying the risks associated with cumulative vaccine dosing and timing remains an urgent public health priority.

 

Red Phoenix - now you've done it. The pro-vaxx crowd are going to give their kids extra shots to prove you wrong.  Imho, it's a self-solving issue.  Let Darwin take care of it.

22 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Here you go, Stiddle, he has stated his position on things very clearly.
 

kaug=fman deciple than Dr Mecollough.

Thanks for that Rattles.

 

I don't agree with the pro-vax opinions. But, we should hear/see all sides of the debate. Some are on the same page as me on vaxxes, but we  don't agree on viruses.

 

I'm more of a Dr Kaufman disciple than Dr McCullough. But I read the latter's print all the same. That is somewhat different to many on here, whose aim is simply to discredit, and shoot, the messenger.

 

 

13 minutes ago, connda said:

 

Red Phoenix - now you've done it. The pro-vaxx crowd are going to give their kids extra shots to prove you wrong.  Imho, it's a self-solving issue.  Let Darwin take care of it.

 

The Trump method – guaranteed result 100% of the time.

 

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Well Sir! We can't debate with you as we - the non-pro-vaxxers group - don't know your position on health, and more specifically on covid and vaccines.

 

Instead of non-sensical words, be a little more eloquent, and state your position on things. Then we can discuss matters.

My position is that you and Red are liars. To what end I am unsure, but you are spreading lies that are potentially lethal to those the listen to you.

10 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

My position is that you and Red are liars. To what end I am unsure, but you are spreading lies that are potentially lethal to those the listen to you.

 

We are therefore threats to society which ideally would not exist… for the greater good, of course. Shame Operation Warp Speed prevented the CDC Camps from opening, a few here could have applied for a job.

 

12 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

My position is that you and Red are liars. To what end I am unsure, but you are spreading lies that are potentially lethal to those the listen to you.

What lies? Sir, I have only ever told one lie in my life. That I adumbrated on TT a while back. and ashamed of it I am.

 

Tell me one lie CJ buddy. I'll respond.

 

There is no way you can love, and respect nature, and tell porkies.

21 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

What lies? Sir, I have only ever told one lie in my life. That I adumbrated on TT a while back. and ashamed of it I am.

 

Tell me one lie CJ buddy. I'll respond.

 

There is no way you can love, and respect nature, and tell porkies.

"There is no such thing as viruses." A flat out blatant lie told by you many times. There is a reason you do not post on the health page, because it is all deceptive nonsense.

8 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

There is a reason you do not post on the health page

You know full well why he can't post that on the "health page"  its because someone would moan to the moderators  the post/comment would be removed PDQ,whereas in this section of the forum there is a more liberal attitude towards freedom of opinion.

2 minutes ago, johng said:

You know full well why he can't post that on the "health page"  its because someone would moan to the moderators  the post/comment would be removed PDQ,whereas in this section of the forum there is a more liberal attitude towards freedom of opinion.

As well as ignoring facts.

1 minute ago, cjinchiangrai said:

As well as ignoring facts.

I certainly ignore a lot (90% +++ ) of what those  so called fact checkers  claim as facts.

 

 

I'll also be avoiding an electronic passport for convenience and easy verification for as long as factually possible..but have little doubt it will be foist upon everyone eventually  🤮

 

55 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Shame Operation Warp Speed prevented the CDC Camps from opening, a few here could have applied for a job.

 

But we were only following orders !

1 hour ago, cjinchiangrai said:

My position is that you < Stiddle Mump > and Red are liars. To what end I am unsure, but you are spreading lies that are potentially lethal to those the listen to you.

 

Please enlighten me and disclose what could be my motive for spreading lies.  

 

39 minutes ago, johng said:

You know full well why he can't post that on the "health page"  its because someone would moan to the moderators  the post/comment would be removed PDQ,whereas in this section of the forum there is a more liberal attitude towards freedom of opinion.

 

Also, the Health section is 'unhealthy people' territory.

 

All the antivaxxers of this forum are in good health. Anyone with a couple of basic, functional brain cells will infer accordingly.

1 hour ago, cjinchiangrai said:

"There is no such thing as viruses." A flat out blatant lie told by you many times. There is a reason you do not post on the health page, because it is all deceptive nonsense.

Thanks for the reply bro.

 

Let's start by getting specific. The 'viruses' that I say don't exist are the 'pathogenic' ones floating about in the atmosphere. Live ones. Able to reproduce. Able to invade a human - or animal - and cause 'disease'. As in the virus that started the covid-19 ball rolling.

 

AFAIK, there have only been two experiments, where a virologist/scientist has attempted to show the existence of a virus using a control. Dr Enders 1954. Dr Lanka 2024. Both came to the same conclusion; it was the lab procedure that caused the breakdown of the tissue. Why is that significant? Because the breaking down of the petri dish tissue is what the virologists say is proof of the virus.

 

Now! We are told that infected person (with covid) has millions of these viruses in the lungs, in the membranes, in their cells. But somehow the virologists can't find enough and isolate some. Doing that is the first step in lab procedures when examining tiny entities. 

 

Until a white-coat can show that a virus is isolated, can causes infection,** and is a contagious agent,** I prefer not to believe in them.

 

** Further along the Koch Postulates Gold standard Lab Tests.

General Flynn always on the right side of history. 

 

 

Good guest on AJ's show yesterday , friday.

Del Bigtree. They touch here too on autism caused by vaccines.

http://rss.infowars.com/20251031_Fri_Alex.mp3

 

From about 1h09 to 2h28.

Put it on 1,5 x speed to save time.

Powerful.

Of course TallguyJohn will try to discredit Del Bigtree 

because everything he says about vaccines is true.

12 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Speaking of Bigtree, he was also on Bannon's show:

 

 

You finally found your niche.... spreading rumours.