53 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

What is compromised immunity?

 

For me it is the inability to deal with toxic entities. So! What causes the immune system - although I prefer the terms defence and maintenance - to not be as effective as it should be? Far too involved to go into fully here, but in a nutshell; lack of essential nutrients we get mostly from our food. We are the earth. What we eat from earth's bountiful larder is what we consist of. And some of the things are nutrients in the for of vitamins and minerals. We need them in different amounts, at different times, and if we are deficient, the body cannot efficiently defend and maintain us as it would do if it had all the tools at its disposal.

 

Back to Influenza. It varies from person to person, although there is a common thread of symptoms. Being lacking in nutrients is one of the reasons we get influenza symptoms. Because a malnourished and compromised body, cannot deal with the incoming undesirables as it should, in real time, and stores them away. The symptoms of The Flu arrive. Depending on the toxins taken in during the preceding days/weeks/months, the symptoms will vary.

 

That's an oversimplification & doesn't  describe the process of "getting sick", accurately.

 

 

Healthy, well-nourished, and physically fit people are susceptible to both symptomatic and asymptomatic diseases, infections, et al.

16 minutes ago, Bacon1 said:

 

That's an oversimplification & doesn't  describe the process of "getting sick", accurately.

 

Healthy, well-nourished, and physically fit people are susceptible to both symptomatic and asymptomatic diseases, infections, et al.

Of course it is a precis; not even that. It is a book's worth condensed into one post.

 

I do not agree with you Sir on you second para. Of course well people get sick. But there are reasons why. The reasons for sickness are too many to know, but if I could put them in a nutshell it would be this. 

 

Accidents; poor nutrition; Intense, and prolonged, EMF exposure: toxic chemical exposure; fear and emotional effects (including beliefs); medical interventions; vaccines and medicine.

15 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Accidents; poor nutrition; Intense, and prolonged, EMF exposure: toxic chemical exposure; fear and emotional effects (including beliefs); medical interventions; vaccines and medicine.

 

And:

 

Genetics, infections, lifestyle habits, social and economic conditions, aging, and chronic physiological stressors like hormonal imbalances and immune system issues also shape health.

 

 

 

16 minutes ago, Bacon1 said:

 

And:

 

Genetics, infections, lifestyle habits, social and economic conditions, aging, and chronic physiological stressors like hormonal imbalances and immune system issues also shape health.

 

 

 

Some merge into the root causes that I adumbrated earlier. Others I don't agree with.

15 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

What is compromised immunity?

 

I didn't sleep last night.

So I feel a bit sick today. Lack of sleep screws up the body, even just one night.

But rest should do the trick. 

But when people are working, maybe they don't listen to their bodies, push themselves too hard when they should be resting. 

A lot of things can throw off the immune system real quick. 

Too much white sugar, white flour. 

19 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

But it would be a giant step forward if vaccination would become the rare exception and only applied after careful risk-benefit analysis, rather than the routine practice it has become.  

 

This is off topic. Has to do with statins, not vaccines.

The comment by a retired doctor in the comments section of the video is not encouraging.

So, if you have heart problems, do you take statins? If not, you need to know what you're doing to treat it on your own. You might die if you do nothing. And the statins might cause other issues.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

 

I didn't sleep last night.

So I feel a bit sick today. Lack of sleep screws up the body, even just one night.

But rest should do the trick. 

But when people are working, maybe they don't listen to their bodies, push themselves too hard when they should be resting. 

A lot of things can throw off the immune system real quick. 

Too much white sugar, white flour. 

Diet and lifestyle!

5 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

What is compromised immunity?

 

For me it is the inability to deal with toxic entities. So! What causes the immune system - although I prefer the terms defence and maintenance - to not be as effective as it should be? Far too involved to go into fully here, but in a nutshell; lack of essential nutrients we get mostly from our food. We are the earth. What we eat from earth's bountiful larder is what we consist of. And some of the things are nutrients in the for of vitamins and minerals. We need them in different amounts, at different times, and if we are deficient, the body cannot efficiently defend and maintain us as it would do if it had all the tools at its disposal.

 

Back to Influenza. It varies from person to person, although there is a common thread of symptoms. Being lacking in nutrients is one of the reasons we get influenza symptoms. Because a malnourished and compromised body, cannot deal with the incoming undesirables as it should, in real time, and stores them away. The symptoms of The Flu arrive. Depending on the toxins taken in during the preceding days/weeks/months, the symptoms will vary.

There is no doubt a malnourished body is more susceptible to all the viruses and diseases out there, but the fact remains. Many very healthy people get sick every year. The body, if exercised and fed all the nutrients it needs, can ward off many things, and not allow some to take over, but one common denominator that hurts many is stress, and stress is impossible to get rid of all the time. It lowers resistance and lets some things attack the body.

 

Saying influenza is stored away is ludicrous as there isn't any data that proves this. Either a person has something or they don't. Yes, you can carry some things for a short time but not long before they compromise the system. Genetics helps some not get some diseases. Many have allergies, and these are genetic. They weaken the system and medicine has to be taken for the symptoms.

 

One of the worst things a person can get is H Pylori, and up to 70% of people actually carry it but don't show symptoms. The other 30% have problems, and it can come from kissing. Ulcers, gastritis and sometimes cancer if left untreated, and it doesn't go away on it's own. I've rarely gotten the flu and have never taken a flu vaccine, but it does affect many people who are healthy, exercise and eat right. Some people don't exercise, eat right, smoke and drink and rarely get sick, at least until they are old. Genetics helps them. The diseases and viruses are out there, and always have been. Sometimes science has to be used to help rid the body of them.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

There is no doubt a malnourished body is more susceptible to all the viruses and diseases out there, but the fact remains.

There are no viruses and diseases out there. 

13 hours ago, johng said:

There'll be a fact check along soon

to claim that the study was flawed,the researchers antivaxers

and quacks..

And anyway even if the vaccine in this study was of negative effectiveness....all others are

"safe and effective" and have saved millions of lives   so carry on jabbing regardless.

 

Soros-funded factcheck says not credible, do not read! 

12 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

A well-deserved ThumbsDown on all those gas-lighting posts of yours!

 

Zero credibility from the brainwashed $ci€nc€ zealots.

11 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

On that general point:

The burden of Influenza

30 March 2024

 

"Every year, mainly during the winter season, seasonal influenza infects as many as 1 billion people. ...The flu vaccine is the best way to prevent infection and may reduce symptoms if you do get the flu. For those who are more vulnerable to flu, what we call ‘high risk groups’, the vaccine can save your life.

...

WHO estimates that there are 3 to 5 million cases of severe illness and between 290 000 to 650 000 respiratory deaths annually."

 

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/the-burden-of-influenza

 

 

The burden of influenza… for unhealthy people with preventable lifestyle chronic illnesses.

Interesting to see two parties completely argue past each other, clearly caused by the erroneous title of this threat. The OP’s linked study relates to the ineffectiveness of an older vaccine against pneumococcal pneumonia caused by a bacterium, but mistakes that for all flu vaccines, which protect against influenza caused by a virus.

44 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Soros-funded factcheck says not credible, do not read! 

All you have is very silly boogeyman tales to tell.... stay in your soap opera writing lane.

46 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Zero credibility from the brainwashed $ci€nc€ zealots.

Sorry.. your cause is lost.  It has been buried under innumerable posts indicating your staggeringly weak understanding of science.   After five minutes of perusing your posting record any competent grade school graduate will be ROFL over your 'science'.

45 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Processed food makes you sick > pharmaceutical products keep you sick > the shareholders make billions.

 

Lead a healthy lifestyle and don't become a customer of the Sickness Industry.

It seems your weak abilities in logic and analysis have resulted in all your opinions being based on feelings and silly assumptions instead of facts.  It's become your trademark.

15 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Last week, a significant new peer-reviewed vaccine study published in the well-regarded journal BMC Infectious Diseases, titled, “Real world effectiveness of antipneumococcal vaccination against pneumonia in adults: a population-based cohort study, Catalonia, 2019.” 

> https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-025-11596-w

Teaser: they found negative efficacy of minus eighty percent, meaning older adults given pneumonia jabs were 80% more likely to get pneumonia.

 

The study researchers reviewed the 2019 health records of over 2.23 million ‘senior’ (50+) patients in Catalonia.

...

The study’s scientists work for the Catalonian Health Institute, one of Spain’s largest healthcare systems.

The study was pretty simple and hard to argue with. They compared electronic vaccination records (jabbed versus unjabbed) against subsequent admissions for pneumonia as well as death records. They found: (1) people given the jabs were +80% more likely to wind up hospitalized for pneumonia, and (2) there was no measurable improvement in risk of either hospitalization or death among the vaccinated group, which you would hope to see if the stupid shots worked.

 

Source: https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/oh-snap-wednesday-october-29-2025

The above is part of the last topic addressed by Jeff Childers in yesterday's October 29 daily CoffeeandCovid Newsletter 

Who cares ? I don't either way.

 

You got some deep OCD conspiracy theory issues bud.

15 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There are no viruses and diseases out there. 

 

fredwiggy doesn't even exist. 

 

16 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There are no viruses and diseases out there. 

 

Average human lifespan was much shorter in the past because of infectious diseases and lack of medicine.

 

Now, the opposite problem exists. People are living much longer due to medicine, but are getting chronic illnesses due to poor diet.

 

 

17 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Nobody claims that 'getting rid of all vaccines would solve all problems'. 

But it would be a giant step forward if vaccination would become the rare exception and only applied after careful risk-benefit analysis, rather than the routine practice it has become.  

 

@Red Phoenix - Does that mean you accept that 'some' vaccines are useful and effective ?

 

Would that mean you do accept that there are viruses and diseases out there  ?

 

 

6 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There are no viruses and diseases out there. 

 

 

15 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Let's say you're 65. You take good care of your health. It probably won't make much difference either way if you get the flu shot or not. You are not likely to get the flu, or if you do, you will fight if off easily. And any potential adverse effects of the flu shot will likely not affect you because your immunity is high.

 

Another 65 year old who does not take care of his health: Yes, you are probably correct. The flu vaccine itself may cause problems for this person. But if they don't take a flu shot, they may also get a flu / pneumonia during winter months and not be able to fight it off. 

 

There are a few other angles to consider...

 

If you’re relatively young, fit, and healthy, and heading off on a winter holiday, you’ll likely be flying through Europe where just about everyone seems to have a cold or the flu – yet they’re all getting on with life, sniffling away.

 

Influenza, of course, is highly contagious, and it only takes a few hours in the close quarters of an aircraft, bus, or busy shop to catch it. A few days of feeling miserable can really put a dent in your trip - its happend a couple of times already before.

 

So, if the flu vaccine gives me even a reasonable chance of avoiding that, I’m happy to take it.

I know it’s only about 40–60% effective, but that can mean the difference between being properly ill and barely noticing any symptoms at all. For me, that’s worth it.

 

The flu jab doesn’t always work perfectly, but the fact that it often does is good enough for me. Downsides? Honestly, none that I’ve ever seen. It’s harmless – just take the shot.

 

 

There’s no real proof from a personal standpoint, of course.

 

Every time I’ve had the flu jab, I’ve managed to get through winter without coming down with anything resembling influenza. But I haven’t always taken it, and plenty of those times I’ve still stayed well.

 

Then again, there have been winters when I skipped the vaccine and did end up with full-blown flu-like symptoms – the kind that knock you about for a few days

 

It’s all anecdotal, not scientific evidence, but worth noting that I’ve never had a proper bout of influenza in the same season I’ve been vaccinated. The reason I started getting the jab in the first place was because, on a couple of occasions, the flu has spoiled a few days of an otherwise great holiday in past.

 

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Influenza, of course, is highly contagious, and it only takes a few hours in the close quarters of an aircraft, bus, or busy shop to catch it

In his book 'Can You Catch a Cold' Dr Daniel Roytas lists over 100 experiments that failed to show that illness was contagious. Dozens of these experiments were done by the US Navy.

 

www.humanley.com

5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

5 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Nobody claims that 'getting rid of all vaccines would solve all problems'. 

But it would be a giant step forward if vaccination would become the rare exception and only applied after careful risk-benefit analysis, rather than the routine practice it has become.  

 - Does that mean you accept that 'some' vaccines are useful and effective ?

Would that mean you do accept that there are viruses and diseases out there  ?

 

No, I have not yet come across any credible evidence that vaccines - yep ANY vaccine - are useful and effective. 

My conviction is based on first-hand personal observation AND delving into studies and articles from both pro- and anti-vaxxers, as well as having a completely different view on health and illness than the current materialistic allopathic approach.  

I simply wrote that 'it would be a giant step forward if vaccination would become the rare exception and only applied after careful risk-benefit analysis, rather than the routine practice it has become'.  On hindsight I should have written 'a giant FIRST step'. 

 

My view on viruses coincides with Stiddle Mump > people have been brainwashed to believe that the 'viruses' seen with electron-microscopy are living organisms that when transmitted can make you sick (the Big Bad Germ theory).  It's much more plausible that those viruses are dead inert cell-debris.

The Holy Bible labels sickness primarily as a curse on those who deviate from truth and lust after false teaching.

 

Ultimately the act of vaccination is a ritual, pledging allegiance to false principles directly outlawed by the Holy Bible. It is the cumination of fully adopting a series of beliefs confirmed in the act of vaccination.

 

Which results in a curse of sickness.  Meaning sickness at it's source is a spiritual affliction.  But we don't see this until it fully plays out in the physical world. So we hunt for a physical world culprit.

 

Deuteronomy 28 is a powerful verse describing this curse.  For those falling for the false teaching of the poisonous cult, and pledge allegience to it, a curse on health and vitality occurs.

 

Moses said the embedded beliefs of false cults will poison your beliefs to the point you will be cursed with failing health. "You will be smited with fever, consumption, inflamation, and burning which will rain down on you until you are destroyed and perish." " You will be blinded by these curses which shall come upon thee and shall pursue thee, shall overtake thee, till thou be destroyed."  "Moreover,  all the diseases of the pharoahs will overtake thee, which thee was afraid of, will cleave to thee, and you will be destroyed."

 

By dismantling and eradicating the poisonous beliefs and adopting the authentic beliefs of health, this cycle of sickness ceases and health results.  

6 minutes ago, Mark Nothing said:

The Holy Bible labels sickness primarily as a curse on those who deviate from truth and lust after false teaching.

 

Ultimately the act of vaccination is a ritual, pledging allegiance to false principles directly outlawed by the Holy Bible. It is the cumination of fully adopting a series of beliefs confirmed in the act of vaccination.

 

Which results in a curse of sickness.  Meaning sickness at it's source is a spiritual affliction.  But we don't see this until it fully plays out in the physical world. So we hunt for a physical world culprit.

 

Deuteronomy 28 is a powerful verse describing this curse.  For those falling for the false teaching of the poisonous cult, and pledge allegience to it, a curse on health and vitality occurs.

 

Moses said the embedded beliefs of false cults will poison your beliefs to the point you will be cursed with failing health. "You will be smited with fever, consumption, inflamation, and burning which will rain down on you until you are destroyed and perish." " You will be blinded by these curses which shall come upon thee and shall pursue thee, shall overtake thee, till thou be destroyed."  "Moreover,  all the diseases of the pharoahs will overtake thee, which thee was afraid of, will cleave to thee, and you will be destroyed."

 

By dismantling and eradicating the poisonous beliefs and adopting the authentic beliefs of health, this cycle of sickness ceases and health results.  

 

 

WT F are you on?????

41 minutes ago, Mark Nothing said:

The Holy Bible labels sickness primarily as a curse on those who deviate from truth and lust after false teaching.

 

Ultimately the act of vaccination is a ritual, pledging allegiance to false principles directly outlawed by the Holy Bible. It is the cumination of fully adopting a series of beliefs confirmed in the act of vaccination.

 

Which results in a curse of sickness.  Meaning sickness at it's source is a spiritual affliction.  But we don't see this until it fully plays out in the physical world. So we hunt for a physical world culprit.

 

Deuteronomy 28 is a powerful verse describing this curse.  For those falling for the false teaching of the poisonous cult, and pledge allegience to it, a curse on health and vitality occurs.

 

Moses said the embedded beliefs of false cults will poison your beliefs to the point you will be cursed with failing health. "You will be smited with fever, consumption, inflamation, and burning which will rain down on you until you are destroyed and perish." " You will be blinded by these curses which shall come upon thee and shall pursue thee, shall overtake thee, till thou be destroyed."  "Moreover,  all the diseases of the pharoahs will overtake thee, which thee was afraid of, will cleave to thee, and you will be destroyed."

 

By dismantling and eradicating the poisonous beliefs and adopting the authentic beliefs of health, this cycle of sickness ceases and health results.  

 

When the pro-vax crowd still denies the harm and physical adverse effects of the jabs, how can we expect them to even consider the spiritual dimension of health and sickness.

 

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

For those falling for the false teaching of the poisonous cult, and pledge allegience to it, a curse on health and vitality occurs.

Those falling for false teachings = the vaccinated.

 

Poisonous cult = white-coats, scientists & regulators.

34 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

When the pro-vax crowd still denies the harm and physical adverse effects of the jabs, how can we expect them to even consider the spiritual dimension of health and sickness.

 

When the hypochondriacs get tired of living unecessarily with multiple ailments.  And they more strongly desire health over loyalty to their "expert".

 

My family and friends over the decades became more and more loyal to their expert with each botched and failed procedure.    The brainwashing has been so masterfully crafted that even in the realm of failure, the patients keep coming back for more.  It shows how strongly embedded beliefs work.

 

As a consumer, I demand success.  Failed theories appall me.  Over the years, with trial and error, the Holy Bible's principles performed with 100% permanent success.  All ailments gone.  Health and vitality returned.  So life can be lived fully.  

 

 

17 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There are no viruses and diseases out there. 

Oh, dear, it seems the whole medical world is wrong and AN's very own Dr.Stiddle-Mump is right 🥸............🤣......................

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Oh, dear, it seems the whole medical world is wrong and AN's very own Dr.Stiddle-Mump is right 🥸............🤣......................

Thanks for that Trans bro.

 

Not all the medical world Sir. Just a huge slice of it. And yes! They are wrong.Completely wrong. Although many of them deliberately so. $$$$$

 

I'm not a doctor. I was a physiologist back in the day.