3 hours ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Dead people don't wish.

 

We estimated that at least 232,000 deaths could have been prevented among unvaccinated adults during the 15 months had they been vaccinated with at least a primary series.

 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10123459/

 

No one died of covid. The jab could not have prevented any one, catching anything, passing anything on or getting sick.

 

I ask you Sir; who you gonna believe; me, or that PMC shower of know-nothings?

 

I'll give you my assessment on deaths.

 

An unknown number of people have died, and counting; because they rolled up their sleeve. Probably well into the millions now.

14 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

 

No one died of covid. The jab could not have prevented any one, catching anything, passing anything on or getting sick.

 

 

 

You should be ashamed of such a thoughtless comment.

43 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Cancer healing comes from within. There is no such thing as disease.

Absolute BS.
I had a growth on my forehead diagnosed as a stage 2 malignant melanoma 20 years ago. Within 4 weeks, I was fast-tracked (NHS) and had a life-saving operation to remove the melanoma before it could spread to other parts of my body.

A friend's wife in Thailand had a malignant stomach tumour diagnosed in the early stages, and could have had it removed, but chose not to due to her beliefs. 3 months later, I was attending her funeral.

Your preachings are nasty and have no place on this forum, AFAIC. You deserve a stump up your middle. Karma will come and get you sooner than you think.
As far as COVID is concerned, it's over. Give it a rest and move on with life ... If you have one that is.

5 hours ago, Airalee said:

I love it when the vax fanatics pull up the “unvaccinated were umpteen more times at risk of blah blah blah”….derp.

 

Until the data started showing that was bullsh** and they decided that it wasn’t important anymore to notice the vaccine status of all the people being hospitalized and dying.

 

So far, nobody has answered The Status Question: what is the vaccination status of the currently hospitalised people?

 

Will keep asking it.

5 hours ago, trucking said:

The vaccinated are getting on with their lives and putting the whole pandemic behind them.

 

As Good Germans do.

 

What about the title question: do you know an unvaccinated person who says "Ah, now that's one regret I have, if I could go back to 2021, I would definitely take that jab".

4 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Who funded that "study"?   Who paid the peer reviewers?

 

 

The Who Funded It question is in the top 5 conversation-stopper questions. Ask it and watch your interlocutor vanish.

4 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Almost all of the later deaths were unvaccinated.

 

What is the vaccination status of people currently hospitalised with Covid?

31 minutes ago, Madgee said:

3 months later, I was attending her funeral.

If she died that quickly  I don't think the surgery would have helped..was she mRNA vaccinated by any chance ??

7 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There in no one in the world that didn't have the vax and wish they did.

 

I don't think there is a person in the world that took the vax and don't regret it.

 

The horse has almost bolted. The penny has almost dropped. The dam is about to give way. Is Kennedy the man to help the world regain its health?

 

The power is with the many. Stop taking the vax and they will disappear. The whole scam is held together by the $$$. Take that away and suddenly the science will change. Truth will come to the fore. White-coats, who were pimping for Big Pharma, would see the benefits of lying and keeping stumm are no longer viable.

 

Have you heard of smallpox? Polio?

 

Meanwhile: 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing-political-geography-of-covid-19-over-the-last-two-years/

Not an anti-vaxxer, but my grandfather often reminded us that if it didn't kill us it would make us stronger. The vaccine was an unknown. I took my chances without it and instead strengthened my defences by taking dips in cool water, in the rain. Anything to get myself ready for any shocks to my system. So when I eventually caught it, it was unpleasant, but it didn't kill me. So here I am, even stronger.

2 minutes ago, TopGun10 said:

Not an anti-vaxxer, but my grandfather often reminded us that if it didn't kill us it would make us stronger. The vaccine was an unknown. I took my chances without it and instead strengthened my defences by taking dips in cool water, in the rain. Anything to get myself ready for any shocks to my system. So when I eventually caught it, it was unpleasant, but it didn't kill me. So here I am, even stronger.

 

A.k.a. natural immunity. Nobody who chose that path has a reason to regret it.

I don't judge anyone else. Everyone has to decide for themselves. It's my body and no one is going to tell me what I can do with my own property. 

That ain't freedom.

22 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

You can't descend lower than posting a laughing emoji at someone describing serious health ailments. Rock bottom.

 

 

Yes, and of course you will defend someone who claims the Covid vaccine is causing "lower back pain".

 

 

13 hours ago, Madgee said:

Your preachings are nasty and have no place on this forum, AFAIC. You deserve a stump up your middle. Karma will come and get you sooner than you think.

 

He's delusional.

He believes no medical intervention is ever required and the human body can ward off all illness on its own.

Oh wait ... he doesn't even believe illnesses exist.

Totally and utterly delusional this guy. 

 

6 minutes ago, TopGun10 said:

I don't judge anyone else. Everyone has to decide for themselves. It's my body and no one is going to tell me what I can do with my own property. 

That ain't freedom.

 

Exactly.

 

 

18 hours ago, trucking said:

The vaccinated are getting on with their lives and putting the whole pandemic behind them. The unvaccinated on the other hand just can't seem to let go and move on.

 

Exactly. Most people have moved on. If all the vaxxed people were sick and injured from the vaccines, they would be the ones starting all these threads. 

 

It's the anti-vax conspiracy guys starting all the threads. And for what reason exactly? 

 

 

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

It's the anti-vax conspiracy guys starting all the threads. And for what reason exactly? 

Because there should be a recognition  of the disastrous  results

of the Covidiocy,  heads should roll and it should never be allowed to happen again   Nuremberg 2.0.

7 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

It's the anti-vax conspiracy guys starting all the threads. And for what reason exactly? 

 

Because when you've been on the receiving end of this, you can rightfully expect and demand to get to the bottom of it in order for it never to happen again. Plenty of people on this forum actually supported this, so it's no surprise that they want to "move on", i.e. conveniently memory-hole their actions (or lack thereof):

 

[January 2022]

 

From prison threats to fines: How the world is turning up the heat on the unvaccinated

 

The Philippines: unvaxxed face jail time

 

Singapore: no jab, no healthcare

 

Quebec: health tax for refuseniks

 

Austria: lockdown for the unvaccinated

 

‘No jab, no job’ and coronavirus passes widespread

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/prison-threats-fines-world-turning-heat-unvaccinated/

12 hours ago, johng said:

Because there should be a recognition  of the disastrous  results

of the Covidiocy,  heads should roll and it should never be allowed to happen again   Nuremberg 2.0.

 

Neither "narrative" is entirely accurate.

 

Neither the mainstream narrative nor your "Nuremberg 2.0" narrative.

 

That's all I'm gonna say. I don't want to get myself killed. 

 

7 hours ago, Airalee said:

I love it when the vax fanatics pull up the “unvaccinated were umpteen more times at risk of blah blah blah”….derp.

 

Until the data started showing that was bullsh** and they decided that it wasn’t important anymore to notice the vaccine status of all the people being hospitalized and dying.

 

It’s funny that the mudbloods just can’t seem to stop checking in on what the purebloods are saying.  If they weren’t worried….they’d just get on with their lives….,right?

 

And….yeah….guilty as charged.   I get a huge schadenboner when I read of their health issues and deaths after the sh** they pulled.

 

Let us not forget our mascot…..

 

 

I remember this news report.  That boy was not healthy - he was obese, and reports at that time indicated that obese people who were not even old or sick with other illnesses seemed to be more prone to dying from Covid 19.

 

As for myself (with a chronic lung illness), I had the initial 2 jabs in Laos, then a booster sometime later in Turkey, and finally another booster about 12 months later in Pattaya.

 

Yes, I got Covid 19, (because Covid vaccines don't stop you getting infected with this virus, but minimise the effects of the illness).  I had a slight fever for 2 days and then tested negative.  So I'm very happy that I was vaccinated.

11 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

It's the anti-vax conspiracy guys starting all the threads. And for what reason exactly? 

 

8 minutes ago, johng said:

Because there should be a recognition  of the disastrous  results of the Covidiocy,  heads should roll and it should never be allowed to happen again   Nuremberg 2.0.

 

There are several reasons.  Hundred thousands likeminded people want to see that: 

- those that designed, planned and rolled out the Covid mitigation measures disaster, are held accountable (long jail sentences is the bare minimum that they deserve, and of course actual death sentences for the 'architects' of this Crime of the Century)  

- some compensation is provided to those whose life and health was destroyed by the covid vax mandates, business closures and other mitigation measures.

The above are necessary actions to ensure that this will never happen again. 

 

The guilty of course want us 'to forgive and forget' so that they can continue as if nothing happened.   And know that the next lucrative pandemic is already in the making if we let them (remember the amateuristic 'Monkey Pox' scare they tried).

Also by keeping on hammering the subject, those that are currently getting sick (think cancer, neurologic diseases, strokes) from the jabs they were coerced to take might otherwise forget the cause of their current or near-future health-decline.  Know that there are Protocols to undo to the degree possible the harms of the poison-jabs.  But one needs of course to be aware what is at the root of their health-problems, in order not to get treated by 'baffled' doctors that have been brainwashed that it could be anything but the jabs, and are all too willing to use symptomatic surgery or prescribe expensive symptom-suppressing treatments..  

- 

12 minutes ago, simon43 said:

Yes, I got Covid 19, (because Covid vaccines don't stop you getting infected with this virus, but minimise the effects of the illness).  I had a slight fever for 2 days and then tested negative.  So I'm very happy that I was vaccinated.

 

What is the vaccination status of people currently hospitalised with Covid?

I only know smart people.

Smart people, such as I, have no regrets for taking the COVID vaccine.

So, no, I am unable to point to someone I know who has any regrets.

 

I am all with dr Roger Hodkinson who answered the question whether we should 'forgive and forget' , with a powerful Absolutely NOT.   Watch this 1 minute clip! 

 

 

 

 

12 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

We're not dead, we're alive and I appreciate it wasn't meant to be this way.

 

Given your previous postings, greater intelligence is expected of you.

 

I personally knew three people who died from COVID-19 during the first wave, before vaccines were available. In the interests of honesty: none were in perfect health; two were overweight and one was elderly. None had reported co-morbidities.

 

I also knew a couple of very fit and otherwise healthy people who became seriously unwell with COVID-19 during that same first wave, and one who continues to struggle with lasting respiratory difficulties.

 

That’s anecdote, of course – and the plural of anecdote is not evidence – but it reflects the broader reality. There is overwhelming evidence of people dying, becoming gravely ill, or suffering long-term effects as a result of COVID-19 infection.

 

I’ve had COVID-19 twice myself. My family and close friends – including my elderly parents – have also caught it. None of us experienced severe symptoms. All of us were vaccinated. Arguably, the vaccines did exactly what they were designed to do: prevent severe illness and death.

 

The debating point here seems to be the efficacy of the Covid vaccines :

> Do they prevent deaths?

> Do they prevent people from becoming seriously unwell?

> Do they prevent lasting respiratory health issues ?

 

The answer, supported by hard data rather than internet folklore, is yes to all three.

 

You will say no, because you are programmed that way and refuse to accept any evidence (Im sure you'll reject the links below) - But, the fact remains that vaccines minimise illness, even the Covid Vaccines.

 

>> A U.S. study estimated that between 30 May 2021 and 3 Sept 2022, about 232,000 deaths among adults (≥18 yrs) could have been prevented if unvaccinated persons had been vaccinated with at least a primary series. 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10123459

 

>> A report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) covering 25 U.S. jurisdictions between 4 April 2021 and 25 Dec 2021 found 94,640 COVID-19-associated deaths among unvaccinated persons, vs 22,567 among fully vaccinated persons.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm

 

>> Another CDC-analysis for the period Oct 3 2021-Dec 24 2022 found that during the late BA.4/BA.5 wave unvaccinated persons had ~14.1 × the mortality rate of persons who had received a bivalent booster.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7206a3.htm

 

These aren’t speculative numbers; they are meticulously gathered, peer-reviewed statistics. They show that vaccines substantially reduce severe outcomes, hospitalisations, and deaths.

 

 

This link below highlights that 80% of Children who died from influenza were not vaccinated (it should also be noted that 40 out of the 106 who died also had pre-existing medical condition that would place them at increased risk of developing serious flu complications)

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2022-2023/pediatric-flu-deaths.htm

 

The takeaway is unambiguous – vaccination dramatically lowers the risk of serious disease and death, regardless of the virus.

 

 

Only when it’s too late do some realise that vaccines might have protected them from severe illness or death. The tragedy lies in how preventable many of these outcomes are.

 

I remain genuinely baffled by the logic of those who reject vaccines. If someone claims to be risk-averse – wary of the minuscule possibility of an adverse vaccine reaction – yet shows little concern for a virus that has killed millions and continues to cause long-term damage in many survivors, their reasoning collapses under the weight of contradiction.

 

There is no credible doubt that vaccines are effective. The data are consistent, the mechanisms are understood, and the global reduction in mortality following vaccination campaigns is one of medicine’s clearest successes.

 

Denying this doesn’t make one a free thinker – it simply means rejecting evidence in favour of comforting delusion.

 

 

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Given your previous postings, greater intelligence is expected of you.

 

I personally knew three people who died from COVID-19 during the first wave, before vaccines were available. In the interests of honesty: none were in perfect health; two were overweight and one was elderly. None had reported co-morbidities.

 

I also knew a couple of very fit and otherwise healthy people who became seriously unwell with COVID-19 during that same first wave, and one who continues to struggle with lasting respiratory difficulties.

 

That’s anecdote, of course – and the plural of anecdote is not evidence – but it reflects the broader reality. There is overwhelming evidence of people dying, becoming gravely ill, or suffering long-term effects as a result of COVID-19 infection.

 

I’ve had COVID-19 twice myself. My family and close friends – including my elderly parents – have also caught it. None of us experienced severe symptoms. All of us were vaccinated. Arguably, the vaccines did exactly what they were designed to do: prevent severe illness and death.

 

The debating point here seems to be the efficacy of the Covid vaccines :

> Do they prevent deaths?

> Do they prevent people from becoming seriously unwell?

> Do they prevent lasting respiratory health issues ?

 

The answer, supported by hard data rather than internet folklore, is yes to all three.

 

You will say no, because you are programmed that way and refuse to accept any evidence (Im sure you'll reject the links below) - But, the fact remains that vaccines minimise illness, even the Covid Vaccines.

 

>> A U.S. study estimated that between 30 May 2021 and 3 Sept 2022, about 232,000 deaths among adults (≥18 yrs) could have been prevented if unvaccinated persons had been vaccinated with at least a primary series. 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10123459

 

>> A report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) covering 25 U.S. jurisdictions between 4 April 2021 and 25 Dec 2021 found 94,640 COVID-19-associated deaths among unvaccinated persons, vs 22,567 among fully vaccinated persons.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm

 

>> Another CDC-analysis for the period Oct 3 2021-Dec 24 2022 found that during the late BA.4/BA.5 wave unvaccinated persons had ~14.1 × the mortality rate of persons who had received a bivalent booster.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/72/wr/mm7206a3.htm

 

These aren’t speculative numbers; they are meticulously gathered, peer-reviewed statistics. They show that vaccines substantially reduce severe outcomes, hospitalisations, and deaths.

 

 

This link below highlights that 80% of Children who died from influenza were not vaccinated (it should also be noted that 40 out of the 106 who died also had pre-existing medical condition that would place them at increased risk of developing serious flu complications)

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/spotlights/2022-2023/pediatric-flu-deaths.htm

 

The takeaway is unambiguous – vaccination dramatically lowers the risk of serious disease and death, regardless of the virus.

 

 

Only when it’s too late do some realise that vaccines might have protected them from severe illness or death. The tragedy lies in how preventable many of these outcomes are.

 

I remain genuinely baffled by the logic of those who reject vaccines. If someone claims to be risk-averse – wary of the minuscule possibility of an adverse vaccine reaction – yet shows little concern for a virus that has killed millions and continues to cause long-term damage in many survivors, their reasoning collapses under the weight of contradiction.

 

There is no credible doubt that vaccines are effective. The data are consistent, the mechanisms are understood, and the global reduction in mortality following vaccination campaigns is one of medicine’s clearest successes.

 

Denying this doesn’t make one a free thinker – it simply means rejecting evidence in favour of comforting delusion.

 

 

 

The purpose of this thread, Richard, is to take a step away from abstract rationalisations and unfathomable stats in favour of empirical testimonies.

As a friendly reminder, the question is whether one knows an unvaccinated person who now claims they would opt for the Covid jab if they were teleported back to 2021, with hindsight, now that the dust has settled and that one can distinguish more clearly what turned out to be valid or not from the various perspectives put forward during the Covid years (2020-2023).

11 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

I am all with dr Roger Hodkinson who answered the question whether we should 'forgive and forget' , with a powerful Absolutely NOT.   Watch this 1 minute clip! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This stance cost him everything and he and his family are currently in a very tough situation. Thankfully, he can count on the support of a lot of people who are grateful for his bravery and integrity.

3 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

This stance cost him everything and he and his family are currently in a very tough situation. Thankfully, he can count on the support of a lot of people who are grateful for his bravery and integrity.

 

A person’s private convictions shouldn’t, on their own, destroy their career. Freedom of thought and expression mean little if they’re only tolerated when convenient. Yet when someone steps into the public arena, especially in a position of influence, that freedom carries a weight of responsibility. Words travel further than intentions, and careless ones have a habit of coming back sharpened.

 

John McEntee isn’t simply a Republican; he’s an unabashed partisan – a man who built a persona around “common sense” and confrontation. His collapse, though, wasn’t born of his politics but of his conduct. What carried him upward wasn’t skill or substance, but loyalty to power. And when that power shifted, the loyalty lost its currency.

 

That said: I’ll admit, some of his clips are entertaining, but they belong in the realm of light amusement – not serious commentary. In that sense, he’s drifted from political operative to performer, from aide to entertainer.

 

His videos are quick, catchy, and shallow – sugar-hits of outrage rather than nourishment for thought. He takes complex questions and flattens them into cartoons of left versus right, man versus woman, sense versus stupidity. It’s not conversation; it’s theatre.

 

There’s a kind of irony in it all. McEntee trades on the phrase “common sense”, yet often seems blind to the nuance that genuine sense requires. His ridicule of opposing ideas isn’t grounded in curiosity or argument, but in a narrow confidence that mockery counts as proof. What he offers is performance – polished, provocative, and hollow.

 

Ultimately, John McEntee has become an emblem of a wider cultural disease: the pursuit of attention at any cost. He feeds the algorithm with conflict and calls it truth, measures his relevance in clicks, and mistakes visibility for credibility.

The real pity is that he could have been more. He had a platform that could have lent reason and integrity to the conservative cause. Instead, he chose spectacle over substance, trading thought for applause and nuance for noise - its cost him, but he is the architect of his own downfall.

 

 

10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

A person’s private convictions shouldn’t, on their own, destroy their career. Freedom of thought and expression mean little if they’re only tolerated when convenient. Yet when someone steps into the public arena, especially in a position of influence, that freedom carries a weight of responsibility. Words travel further than intentions, and careless ones have a habit of coming back sharpened.

 

John McEntee isn’t simply a Republican; he’s an unabashed partisan – a man who built a persona around “common sense” and confrontation. His collapse, though, wasn’t born of his politics but of his conduct. What carried him upward wasn’t skill or substance, but loyalty to power. And when that power shifted, the loyalty lost its currency.

 

That said: I’ll admit, some of his clips are entertaining, but they belong in the realm of light amusement – not serious commentary. In that sense, he’s drifted from political operative to performer, from aide to entertainer.

 

His videos are quick, catchy, and shallow – sugar-hits of outrage rather than nourishment for thought. He takes complex questions and flattens them into cartoons of left versus right, man versus woman, sense versus stupidity. It’s not conversation; it’s theatre.

 

There’s a kind of irony in it all. McEntee trades on the phrase “common sense”, yet often seems blind to the nuance that genuine sense requires. His ridicule of opposing ideas isn’t grounded in curiosity or argument, but in a narrow confidence that mockery counts as proof. What he offers is performance – polished, provocative, and hollow.

 

Ultimately, John McEntee has become an emblem of a wider cultural disease: the pursuit of attention at any cost. He feeds the algorithm with conflict and calls it truth, measures his relevance in clicks, and mistakes visibility for credibility.

The real pity is that he could have been more. He had a platform that could have lent reason and integrity to the conservative cause. Instead, he chose spectacle over substance, trading thought for applause and nuance for noise - its cost him, but he is the architect of his own downfall.

 

 

 

I had no idea who the guy in the OP video was. My first impression is definitely positive and I will check him out.

 

Just for clarity, I was talking about Dr. Roger Hodkinson (in Red's video) when I said "he has lost everything" because of his stance on the Covid jabs (you know the drill, 'discredited', revoked licence etc.). I believe he's on the right side of history, though.

23 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

The purpose of this thread, Richard, is to take a step away from abstract rationalisations and unfathomable stats in favour of empirical testimonies.

As a friendly reminder, the question is whether one knows an unvaccinated person who now claims they would opt for the Covid jab if they were teleported back to 2021, with hindsight, now that the dust has settled and that one can distinguish more clearly what turned out to be valid or not from the various perspectives put forward during the Covid years (2020-2023).

 

Fair point – lived experience can indeed be illuminating, though it often reveals more about human stubbornness and psychology than it does about science or epidemiology.

 

Now that the dust has settled on the whole COVID-19 episode, I can honestly say I don’t know anyone who regrets not getting vaccinated. Once vaccines became widely available, I don’t personally know anyone who fell ill enough with COVID-19 to wish they had taken the jab – whether that’s because transmission slowed, or because later variants proved less severe, it’s difficult to say.

 

What I also don’t know, however, is anyone who regrets getting vaccinated – not against COVID, and certainly not against polio, measles, or influenza. No one ever laments being protected from a disease they never had to endure. The entire principle of vaccination is prevention, not correction – and it’s been so remarkably successful that many have simply forgotten what life was like before it.