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Questioned at airport immigration for two previous V-E entries

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I just arrived in Thailand this week for my usual 4 month winter stay.  I intended to use two 60-day visa exemption entries separated by a week in another SE Asia country.  But on arrival at BKK, the IO told me I couldn't use two V-E entries for a 4 month stay as I had done last year.  I had to get another visa.  When I asked which one, she said the tourist visa.  When I told her that would only permit a 60 day stay, she got flustered.  I suggested she may have meant the METV visa which allows for 180 days and she nodded her approval.  

 

It's all part of the new normal I guess.  She wasn't hostile but she was insistent that the V-E was not acceptable for anything longer than 60 days.  She did not give me any official warning with the stamp.  

 

I suppose my next V-E entry in January I could run into bigger trouble with a formal warning of no more V-E entries or even outright refusal.  If this trend continues, it may be time to consider a safe entry service for the second entry. 

 

In future, I will consider an METV although I'm no fan of the e-visa procedure.   To be honest, I have preferred going with the visa exemption approach in order to avoid dealing with the cumbersome e-visa website and my local Thai embassy.  

 

Either way, travel to Thailand will cost more.  Like everything else!  

 

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30 minutes ago, ultramarine said:

But on arrival at BKK, the IO told me I couldn't use two V-E entries for a 4 month stay as I had done last year.

How did that even come up. 

You entered visa exempt and the io just jumped into your plans. ? 4 months. 

In any event if you wish to exit then it's not difficult to obtain setv eVisa for another 60 days +

 

 

 

1 minute ago, DrJack54 said:

How did that even come up. 

A pattern perhaps…

35 minutes ago, ultramarine said:

I just arrived in Thailand this week for my usual 4 month winter stay.

 

14 minutes ago, novacova said:

A pattern perhaps…

Indeed. Thailand has lost the plot. 

My first 7 years living in Thailand I obtained 3 month multi entry to Vietnam. Did 4 back to back every year. 

From memory worked out to ~280usd/yr

Why make visiting Thailand so difficult for folk such as OP. 

 

FYI:
announcement 

 

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In accordance with the policy of Prime Minister Anutin Charnvirakul and Commissioner General of the Royal Thai Police, Pol.Gen. Kittharath Punpetch, to declare war on cybercrime, today (November 12, 2025), Commissioner of Immigration Bureau, Pol.Lt.Gen. Panumas Boonyalug, convened a meeting with the Deputy Commissioners and Commanders under his jurisdiction to discuss and establish relevant measures, which are divided into 4 key actions:

1. Elevate and intensify the screening of individuals frequently using the visa-exempt scheme (free visa) for entry and exit (in-out) in the manner of a visa run without returning to their country of domicile. If any individual uses the visa run privilege more than 2 times without a justifiable reason, Immigration Bureau will consider denying entry to prevent the use of this opportunity to pose as a tourist to conduct various transactions, instead of applying for the correct visa category as intended.

2. Emphasize the interception of foreign nationals who have a history recorded in the watch-list system in border areas of neighboring countries that are sources of scammers, such as Mae Sot, Tak Province, as they are a high-risk group for participating in illegal activities or becoming victims. This also applies to the group of foreign nationals who have been pushed back/deported from Thailand in the Mae Sot-Myawaddy border area and whose data has been logged in the system; they will also be denied entry without exception.

3. Instruct all Provincial Immigration Offices responsible for inner areas to increase the strictness in granting temporary stay extensions for foreigners who have a history of in-out Visa Run behavior and subsequently apply for an extension. If any foreigner is found with such data or behavior, the visa will not be extended, or the visa will be revoked after authorization and the individual will be deported outside the Kingdom.

4. Instruct all Immigration Bureau Divisions to launch a mass sweep to crack down on foreigners who have overstayed their visas, aiming for tangible operational results.

These measures may affect the speed of passport checks for foreign nationals, Immigration Bureau asserts that they will not affect the tourism sector in any way. On the contrary, they serve to select quality international tourists that will generate revenue for the country with greater confidence.

 

57 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

How did that even come up. 

You entered visa exempt and the io just jumped into your plans. ? 4 months. 

In any event if you wish to exit then it's not difficult to obtain setv eVisa for another 60 days +

 

 

 

I suspect the poster was asked by IO how long do you plan to stay in Thailand

if they said 4 months IO would have advised that  visa exempt is only valid for 60 days or 2 months

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

Why make visiting Thailand so difficult for folk such as OP. 

That may not be their intent. It might be more about closing the loophole making it easier to track short term visitors and overstayers? Or perhaps database efficiency, would imagine it could get pretty weedy with thousands of visitors going in and out on border runs and extensions and changing residence? Or maybe it’s simply about the rules, obtain the proper visa for the intended length of stay.

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1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

How did that even come up. 

You entered visa exempt and the io just jumped into your plans. ? 4 months. 

In any event if you wish to exit then it's not difficult to obtain setv eVisa for another 60 days +

 

 

 

She looked at my record on her computer (I had a new passport)  and said that I had two back to back VE entries in Nov 2024 and Jan 2025 (last winter).  This was unacceptable and warned me that in future it would be a problem.  She then suggested getting a longer visa such as SETV (!) or the METV.   Its as if they have been briefed to look out for back to back VE entries and warn the traveler that this is an inappropriate use of the VE entry. 

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1 minute ago, novacova said:

Or maybe it’s simply about the rules, obtain the proper visa for the intended length of stay.

Thailand has setv that provides 60 day stamp. 

Then they change visa exempt from 30 to 60.

They have METV but that requires exit after 60 day stay. 

Even with that visa reports of being hassled at airports with a valid multi entry visa. 

Frankly bunch of clowns setting visa options. 

Especially for under 50 not married. 

Then they throw in DTV. 

Comical

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1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

Indeed. Thailand has lost the plot. 

My first 7 years living in Thailand I obtained 3 month multi entry to Vietnam. Did 4 back to back every year. 

From memory worked out to ~280usd/yr

Why make visiting Thailand so difficult for folk such as OP. 

 

 

30 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I suspect the poster was asked by IO how long do you plan to stay in Thailand

if they said 4 months IO would have advised that  visa exempt is only valid for 60 days or 2 months

No.  Actually, she never asked me about my plans and how long I wanted to stay.  She just checked her computer and saw that my previous entry was part of back to back VE entries.  I wonder if it is highlighted in their software to make it easier to spot. The IO seemed inexperienced and maybe not too well trained in the finer points of visas.  Some newer software could highlight travelers who have done back to back entries in the recent past.  

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5 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Thailand has setv that provides 60 day stamp. 

Then they change visa exempt from 30 to 60.

They have METV but that requires exit after 60 day stay. 

Even with that visa reports of being hassled at airports with a valid multi entry visa. 

Frankly bunch of clowns setting visa options. 

Especially for under 50 not married. 

Then they throw in DTV. 

Comical

They always find a way to outdo themselves it seems.  The e-visa system has made it worse because there is no appeal process and no refunds and embassies can be late in issuing the visa.  I had this happen to me with an METV three years ago.  They promised a visa turnaround time of 20 business days.  I applied 30 days before just to be on the safe side.  They issued my visa on Day 28 or something.  They failed to deliver on their promise.  My flight was leaving on the Monday, and the prior Thursday I had no visa.  It just made me despise the whole bloody system.  

13 minutes ago, ultramarine said:

They failed to deliver on their promise.  My flight was leaving on the Monday, and the prior Thursday I had no visa.  It just made me despise the whole bloody system

I'm hearing you. 

By way of contrast I'm currently in Oz and next Friday fly to Saigon. 

Being Oz pp I need a visa. 

Such a simple eVisa process. ... 

It's 4 business days every time for process. 

I applied last Sunday and approval Thursday. 

No upload flights, accommodation etc. 

3 month multi entry visa 45usd.

Walk in the park.. 

What is wrong with Thailand visa options? Answer : plenty 

 

Edit: off topic however I recently posted thread in "visa to other countries" Forum as tips for eVisa for Vietnam. 

2 hours ago, ultramarine said:

I just arrived in Thailand this week for my usual 4 month winter stay.

 

I remember your previous topic so thanks for the update 🙂

 

Maybe you remember from my replies that we are in a very similar situation / have a similar history. I flew back in at the beginning of this month and am on my 3rd 'consecutive' VE60.

 

The officer also mentioned to me about getting a 'visa' next time but actually specified DTV, work, retirement and not TV / VE if planning on staying longer than 3 months.

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5 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I'm hearing you. 

By way of contrast I'm currently in Oz and next Friday fly to Saigon. 

Being Oz pp I need a visa. 

Such a simple eVisa process. ... 

It's 4 business days every time for process. 

I applied last Sunday and approval Thursday. 

No upload flights, accommodation etc. 

3 month multi entry visa 45usd.

Walk in the park.. 

What is wrong with Thailand visa options? Answer : plenty

Lucky you.  Well, that's a good reason to spend time in Vietnam.  If it weren't for my Thai gf, I likely wouldn't come here anymore.  That's the thing.  Who else would put up with this nonsense? 

 

I wonder if Thailand's unstable political and economic situation is creating an environment where bad decisions are being made that will only hurt the country further.  Or maybe it's part of the wave of nationalism that is sweeping the world after covid.  

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3 minutes ago, GanDoonToonPet said:

 

I remember your previous topic so thanks for the update 🙂

 

Maybe you remember from my replies that we are in a very similar situation / have a similar history. I flew back in at the beginning of this month and am on my 3rd 'consecutive' VE60.

 

The officer also mentioned to me about getting a 'visa' next time but actually specified DTV, work, retirement and not TV / VE if planning on staying longer than 3 months.

interesting.  Maybe different IOs give different suggestions.  If you're staying longer than 3 months, then what is the METV for?  I don't get it.  DTVs are appealing on the surface, but if they reject you for any reason, you lose your money.  Not a good deal since they cost a lot.  

 

I am of retirement age so I could go that route, but it seems like overkill since I don't want to live in Thailand full time.  

 

But 3 consecutive VE60s -- you're in another category.  The big leagues!  

4 minutes ago, GanDoonToonPet said:

The officer also mentioned to me about getting a 'visa' next time but actually specified DTV, work, retirement and not TV / VE if planning on staying longer than 3 months.

That's all good and well however not fantastic option for snowbirds. 

 

Work meaning NonB not suitable. 

Retirement: many are under 50.

DTV an option. Frankly can't understand why they made 4 month stay so difficult yet handed out DTV like a free for all. 

3 minutes ago, ultramarine said:

I am of retirement age so I could go that route, but it seems like overkill since I don't want to live in Thailand full time.  

Pay em at their own game. 

Obtain Non O eVisa in home country. 

Note funds can be  in foreign Bank. 

Enter and stay 90 days. 

Exit and obtain another Non O eVisa at consulate. 

My choice would be Saigon. 

Total stay = up to 6 months

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2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Pay em at their own game. 

Obtain Non O eVisa in home country. 

Note funds can be  in foreign Bank. 

Enter and stay 90 days. 

Exit and obtain another Non O eVisa at consulate. 

My choice would be Saigon. 

Total stay = up to 6 months

Can you apply for a non O retirement visa in a 3rd country like Vietnam?  Sounds complicated.  

1 minute ago, ultramarine said:

Can you apply for a non O retirement visa in a 3rd country like Vietnam?  Sounds complicated.  

Single entry non-O.  Of course you can.  It's an e-visa application exactly as you would at "home".

24 minutes ago, ultramarine said:

But 3 consecutive VE60s -- you're in another category.  The big leagues!

 

I didn't intend it to happen that way. I booked a 4 day trip to Cambodia intending to use the safe entry service. Unfortunately, when I contacted the company they informed me that 'immigration' would no longer process people flying in from Cambodia.

 

Not much I could do the day before I flew out so decided to buy a dummy return ticket back to the UK and hope for the best.

 

Next worry is if I'll be able to get the extension 🤧

17 minutes ago, ultramarine said:

Can you apply for a non O retirement visa in a 3rd country like Vietnam?  Sounds complicated.  

Answer above from Upnotover. 

No problem. So it's an option that some may opt for. 

Laos seems to have quick process time however week or so in Saigon is not torture. 

You need to be in the country at time of application. 

Laos requires payment of application at consulate. 

Vietnam payment is online

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2 minutes ago, GanDoonToonPet said:

 

I didn't intend it to happen that way. I booked a 4 day trip to Cambodia intending to use the safe entry service. Unfortunately, when I contacted the company they informed me that 'immigration' would no longer process people flying in from Cambodia.

 

Not much I could do the day before I flew out so decided to buy a dummy return ticket back to the UK and hope for the best.

 

Next worry is if I'll be able to get the extension 🤧

Wow.  So safe entry services won't touch people flying in from Cambodia?  Too bad for me because that's where I'm going in January.   I guess I'll just cross my fingers instead.  Since it's only my 2nd consecutive entry, I may get off with a formal warning.  

Lucky me I took an non O to come to Thailand this time and not using the 60 days entry like before.  I will arrived on Tuesday without hassle 

1 minute ago, thai006 said:

Lucky me I took an non O to come to Thailand this time and not using the 60 days entry like before.  I will arrived on Tuesday without hassle 

That's lovely for you. 

Not everyone is 50+ and has Non O option

I had a METV a few years ago. Upon entering the last time just days before expiry, the IO looked to the side at her supervisor, then said 'never mind' and still let me in... (I can imagine that the days when a tourist visa, e.g. a METV, almost "guaranteed" entry into Thailand are over too. Perhaps it's time to go for the 'safe-entry service', or consider spending at least one of the 4 months in another destination.)

With the new rules and extra scrutiny that immigration officers will be under, the safe entry service might not be available at all. Guess we'll just have to wait for the dust to settle and see what Father Christmas brings

So at this point it would be better and safer to apply for a tourist e-visa before coming to thailand?🤔

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