43 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

s it about projecting their historical experience with Brits?

No it is not

I rather like Catholics. Something comforting about old school Christians. With Protestants you're always afraid they may be nutcases.

Just now, Cameroni said:

I rather like Catholics. Something comforting about old school Christians. With Protestants you're always afraid they may be nutcases.

 They are all ,by nature , nutcases , but with the proddys you are far less likely to be bummed after sunday school,

17 minutes ago, johng said:

 

Palestinians are Semites too.

 

   Not this again !!!!!!!!

"The ambulances lights  were flashing" .

"Netanyahu formed Hamas" 

"There were no beheaded babies"

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I rather like Catholics. Something comforting about old school Christians. With Protestants you're always afraid they may be nutcases.

Only if they are MAGAS

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

"The ambulances lights  were flashing" .

"Netanyahu formed Hamas" 

"There were no beheaded babies"

Wow you got them all right .

10 hours ago, stevenl said:

imo Israel should be excluded from European cultural and sporting events,

Why?

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

That is a strong argument as I said before but the historical context of the two wars are completely different. 

The brutality by time and war crimes ? 

 

I differ to disagree 

The the history of the song festival there has been just 1 more or less good song. It was by an Italian band, nice rock vibe and it would  stay for a frustrating long time in your mind. Forgotten the name of the band but they had/have a rather sexy bass playing lady.

10 hours ago, ezzra said:

In recent years, Israel has brought on to the world many, many, of the most advances and discoveries in just about any filed imaginable, from food technology to medicine and health, everyday life necessities, air quality, water and other earth commodities management, aeronautics and just about any field one can think off, no other country in the world would come even close to what Israel have bettered the world with.

How much of that technology comes  vie their friends in the USA.

My field is farming ,they have some of the best dairy farm management going, again all the breeding and technology comes from the USA.

Spain is out.

12 hours ago, stevenl said:

Agree with you regarding Australia. Israel traditionally has strong ties to Europe and participates in European events.

However, there values seem to be deviating more and more from European values. So i agree with the decision, imo Israel should be excluded from European cultural and sporting events, research cooperation, etc.

 

2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Why?

Tell me what you don't understand in the post.

An offensive post has been removed.  

 

A post with a video that was no longer availabe has been removed.

15 hours ago, JAG said:

I am unmoved, totally unmoved, although perhaps I should lament the lack of opportunity for a variety of bearded ladies to strut their stuff on the international music stage!

 

Yes. Too many Jewish queers will be out of work. Well, it is life. Deal with b*tches!

4 minutes ago, GoodieAfterDark said:

 

Yes. Too many Jewish queers will be out of work. Well, it is life. Deal with b*tches!

Translation please.

4 hours ago, stevenl said:

6 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Why?

Tell me what you don't understand in the post.

There's nothing that I do not understand but I'm curious as to how come you don't understand that I simply asked you a question.   You posted, "imo Israel should be excluded from European cultural and sporting events", I asked you why you thought that?

8 hours ago, johng said:

Anti genocidal Zionist Country

Palestinians are Semites too.

 

No, they aren't.  The term "Semite"  is nowadays correctly used only when referring to people who spoke ancient Semitic languages.  The word "antisemitism" has never been used in the English language to mean anything but a hatred of  Jews.

 

I wrote about this in an  earlier thread:

 

On 10/4/2025 at 3:29 PM, Evil Penevil said:

 The use of the word "Semite" to refer to an ethnic group is outdated.  The Encyclopedia Britannica explains it this way (my bold blue text):  "Semite, obsolete term, popularized in the 19th century, that originally described a member of any people who speak one of the Semitic languages, a family of languages that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, Aramaic, and Tigrinya, among others. The term was later used in an ethnic sense, even though there has never been a shared Semitic identity among Semitic-speaking peoples. When used in that sense, Semite often referred specifically to people of Jewish origin, regardless of what language they spoke, a reflection of the antisemitism that was concurrent in 19th-century Europe."  https://www.britannica.com/topic/Semite

 

The word "anti-Semitism" or "antisemitism" entered the English language in1881 from the German Antisemitismus, which had been coined by Wilhelm Marr, a German journalist and agitator who thought it sounded more scientific and academic than the older Judenhaß  ("Jew hatred").  Marr himself is regarded as the "father of modern antisemitism,"  although he apparently renounced his anti-Jewish beliefs as an old man.  https://njop.org/the-origin-of-word-anti-semitism/

 

It's a bit puzzling the same incorrect info keeps coming up again and again.  To borrow from the children's song:

"The myths about Israel go round and round, round and round, round and round. The myths about Israel go round and round, all through the board."

5 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

There's nothing that I do not understand but I'm curious as to how come you don't understand that I simply asked you a question.   You posted, "imo Israel should be excluded from European cultural and sporting events", I asked you why you thought that?

However, there values seem to be deviating more and more from European values.

17 hours ago, Mavideol said:

 I was taught to respect my neighbors regardless of their race, color and believes

Muslims arent taught that. They are taught jihad

 

 

10 hours ago, kickstart said:

How much of that technology comes  vie their friends in the USA.

You tell us

6 hours ago, stevenl said:

12 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

There's nothing that I do not understand but I'm curious as to how come you don't understand that I simply asked you a question.   You posted, "imo Israel should be excluded from European cultural and sporting events", I asked you why you thought that?

However, there values seem to be deviating more and more from European values.

Huh?  

OK, so it's four countries now.

That's not going to make any difference.

So the show goes on as it should WITH Israel.

If it was half of the countries backing out including all of the golden ones that get in the finals automatically, that would be very different.

Would they have kicked Israel out then or just cancelled Eurovision altogether.

We'll never know.

On 12/5/2025 at 8:18 AM, Woke to Sounds said:

Who cares.

 

Bottom line is Eurovision SUCKS , the songs suck and there are no rock n roll bands in it, so who cares?

 

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It's that time of year again. 

 

YES, one more. Iceland.

 

We need all countries to pull out to show Israel they can't continue to ignore international law by changing illegal settlements in the West Bank and continued ethnic cleansing and killing of children in Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/dec/10/iceland-becomes-fifth-country-to-boycott-eurovison-2026-over-israel

Welcome Iceland to the coalition of the whining.

7 hours ago, JimCM said:

YES, one more. Iceland.

 

We need all countries to pull out to show Israel they can't continue to ignore international law by changing illegal settlements in the West Bank and continued ethnic cleansing and killing of children in Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/dec/10/iceland-becomes-fifth-country-to-boycott-eurovison-2026-over-israel

 

I could flip that comment back at you:

 

NO, only one more, Iceland.

 

We need all countries to stay in to show Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis and Iran they can't continue to ignore Israel's right to exist as the homeland of the world's Jews by launching terrorist attacks against men, women and children in Israel.

 

A Weakened Hamas Still Dominates Gaza, Building Day by Day

A cease-fire after two years of war with Israel has allowed Hamas to tighten its grip on power again. “It’s still standing,” one Israeli official said.

 

Since Israeli forces withdrew from parts of Gaza in October under a cease-fire agreement, Hamas has moved quickly to fill the void.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/08/world/middleeast/hamas-gaza.html

 

The above-linked article is an excellent account by The New York Times of the situation facing Israel.  I can't directly quote more of the article because I would be breaking board rules.   The article states that despite the massive IDF retaliatory attacks since October, 2023, less than half of Hamas' underground structure has been destroyed and the group can still field about 20,000 armed fighters.  Hamas has sent its "police" back into the streets; executed opponents; and levied taxes on goods imported into Gaza.

 

4 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

I could flip that comment back at you:

 

NO, only one more, Iceland.

 

We need all countries to stay in to show Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis and Iran they can't continue to ignore Israel's right to exist as the homeland of the world's Jews by launching terrorist attacks against men, women and children in Israel.

 

A Weakened Hamas Still Dominates Gaza, Building Day by Day

A cease-fire after two years of war with Israel has allowed Hamas to tighten its grip on power again. “It’s still standing,” one Israeli official said.

 

Since Israeli forces withdrew from parts of Gaza in October under a cease-fire agreement, Hamas has moved quickly to fill the void.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/08/world/middleeast/hamas-gaza.html

 

The above-linked article is an excellent account by The New York Times of the situation facing Israel.  I can't directly quote more of the article because I would be breaking board rules.   The article states that despite the massive IDF retaliatory attacks since October, 2023, less than half of Hamas' underground structure has been destroyed and the group can still field about 20,000 armed fighters.  Hamas has sent its "police" back into the streets; executed opponents; and levied taxes on goods imported into Gaza.

 

By your avatar, I assume you agree with all the illegal settlements in the West Bank, do you?

 

 

It;s a song contest for Chrissakes and a very camp one at that.

The Israeli entrant isn't the IDF or Netanyahu.

Watching last year it was totally disgusting how the Israeli entrant was treated by the competitors.

 

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

It;s a song contest for Chrissakes and a very camp one at that.

The Israeli entrant isn't the IDF or Netanyahu.

Watching last year it was totally disgusting how the Israeli entrant was treated by the competitors.

 

Maybe you missed the Genocidal campaign in Gaza and the continuing illegal settlements and cleansing in the West Bank.

 

I agree it's a camp contest, my gay friends go nearly every year and sing Shirley Basset sings and Gloria Gaynor.

 

Seriously, Israel are breaking international laws, and only getting away with it because of billionaire Jewish Americans.

 

Take a look at human rights websites if you don't believe the horrors Israel is committing.

3 hours ago, JimCM said:

By your avatar, I assume you agree with all the illegal settlements in the West Bank, do you?

 

By my avatar, you can assume I am a strong supporter of Israel as the homeland of the world's Jews.  You have no reason to assume I back the policies of the current government of Israel on settlements in the West Bank or any other specific issue.

 

You are trying to get me to answer a trick question on the West Bank settlements, along the lines of, "When did you stop beating your wife?"  The question is phrased so that whether I answer yes or no,  it's a de facto admission illegal settlement has taken place.   It serves no purpose for me to get involved in word games intended to provoke.

 

In any case, the question is WAAAAY off-topic in terms of the Eurovision Song Contest.  If you really want a discussion of Israeli settlement in the West Bank, I  suggest you start a new thread or revive one of the old threads on that topic.  Israel's takeover of land in the former Palestinian mandate is very complicated. Israel couldn't have stolen land from Palestinians that never belonged to Palestinians.  It goes back the question of who owned, rather than just occupied, land in Palestine prior to Israel's Declaration of Independence in 1948. It can't be explained in a few words. 

 

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It;s a song contest for Chrissakes and a very camp one at that.

The Israeli entrant isn't the IDF or Netanyahu.

Watching last year it was totally disgusting how the Israeli entrant was treated by the competitors.

 

Isolating Jews and preventing them from participating in activities open to other people is nothing new.  The BDS (Boycott, Divest, Sanctions) movement didn't start in 2005; its roots go all the way back to Roman times and maybe even as far as the Egyptian pharaohs.  Iceland's national broadcaster (RÚV) is just the latest participant in the world's oldest hatred.   RÚV is also getting more publicity than it's ever had in its entire history.  I doubt more than a handful of AN members had heard of RÚV before its boycott announcement.  Now it is topping  news streams in international media.

 

To put things in perspective:  Iceland has a total population of 400,000.  It's believed between 300 and 400 Jews live in Iceland, almost all foreigners, with most married to Icelandic citizens and some employed by transnational corporations.  It's not known exactly how many Icelandic citizens are Jews, but it's thought to be a very small number as a few Icelanders married to Jews may have converted to Judaism.

 

Iceland has a dark history of antisemitism.  Jews weren't allowed to live in Iceland prior to the 1850s and the very few Jews who moved to Iceland in the late 19th and early 20th century were expelled in 1938 in a nod to Nazi Germany.  Reykjavik was the last European capital not to have a rabbi until one arrived in 2018 to lead a Chabad House.   Judaism was not recognized as a religion by the Icelandic government until 2021.  

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/iceland-virtual-jewish-history-tour

 

2 hours ago, JimCM said:

Seriously, Israel are breaking international laws, and only getting away with it because of billionaire Jewish Americans.

 

Whoa! That's heavy duty anti-Jewish conspiracy nonsense, straight out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.  You are attributing far too much power and influence to Miriam Adelson, an 80-year-old woman who inherited her husband's wealth.  Neither she nor any other Jews control U.S. policy on the Middle East.  The U.S, government supports Israel because it is in U.S. strategic interests to have a dependable ally in the region.  During the Cold War years, Israel stood as a counterbalance to Soviet influence among Arab nations and more recently as a bulwark against the spread of politicized Islamism by Iran and its proxies.  That's the real reason the U.S. has backed Israel so strongly.

 

But I give you full marks for honesty in writing "Jewish Americans" instead of using the "Zionist" code word.