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Trump backtracks on releasing boat strike video

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4 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

In 2012, Buffett made headlines when he revealed a startling truth: his secretary, Debbie Bosanek, paid a far higher tax rate than he did.

He explained, "I don't pay hardly any payroll taxes. Gov. Romney hardly pays any payroll taxes. Newt Gingrich hardly pays any payroll taxes." Driving the point home, he emphasized the disparity: "Debbie pays lots of payroll taxes."

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/billionaire-warren-buffett-calls-outrageous-173016060.html

Now you talk just about payroll tax. There are many many different taxes. Income tax, gst, excise duty on fuel. Tug claiming that Trump "doesnt pay tax" is a big black lie end of.

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  • SunnyinBangrak
    SunnyinBangrak

    Here we go again with mocking acronyms. Remind me of the other acronym that sums up the bizarre behavior of foreigners starting dozens of nonsensical threads solely to vent hatred on the US President?

  • Seems you're corned again and looking daft making excuses................

  • Will B Good
    Will B Good

    The main reason......."suggested by many".......is that there is an hour between strikes!!!   Hardly the fog of war.

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3 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Now you talk just about payroll tax. There are many many different taxes. Income tax, gst, excise duty on fuel. Tug claiming that Trump "doesnt pay tax" is a big black lie end of.

It would be a lie if you could show intent ad  there wasn't a history of huge tax breaks being granted to the wealthy. Trump being one of the chief malefactors in granting those breaks. So his formulation may have been a little sloppy, but it was about how Trump, like other super-wealthy people, use all sorts of tactics, legal but dodgy, to avoid taxes.

Trump determines US is at war with drug cartels, document to Congress says

 

WASHINGTON, Oct 2 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump has determined the United States is engaged in "a non-international armed conflict" with drug cartels, according to a document notifying Congress of its legal justification for deadly U.S. strikes on boats off Venezuela.


The text of the document, which was reviewed by Reuters on Thursday, was briefed to lawmakers by the Pentagon's top attorney this week as experts question the legality of killing suspected drug traffickers at sea instead of apprehending them and their cargo.


"The President directed the Department of War to conduct operations against them pursuant to the law of armed conflict," it said, using the Republican president's preferred name for the Defense Department.

 

reuters.com/world/us/trump-determines-us-is-war-with-drug-cartels-document-congress-says-2025-10-02/

 

NB Or as some see it, we're at WAR so anything goes.

 

 

2 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Trump determines US is at war with drug cartels, document to Congress says

 

WASHINGTON, Oct 2 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump has determined the United States is engaged in "a non-international armed conflict" with drug cartels, according to a document notifying Congress of its legal justification for deadly U.S. strikes on boats off Venezuela.


The text of the document, which was reviewed by Reuters on Thursday, was briefed to lawmakers by the Pentagon's top attorney this week as experts question the legality of killing suspected drug traffickers at sea instead of apprehending them and their cargo.


"The President directed the Department of War to conduct operations against them pursuant to the law of armed conflict," it said, using the Republican president's preferred name for the Defense Department.

 

reuters.com/world/us/trump-determines-us-is-war-with-drug-cartels-document-congress-says-2025-10-02/

 

NB Or as some see it, we're at WAR so anything goes.

 

 

We should cancel the midterms and elections because we are at war. Do the forum left that worship Zelenskyy agree this is appropriate considering the US is at war?

17 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

We should cancel the midterms and elections because we are at war. Do the forum left that worship Zelenskyy agree this is appropriate considering the US is at war?

Those are quotes from President Trump.

 

Ask him.

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From the above: 
WASHINGTON, Oct 2 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump has determined the United States is engaged in "a non-international armed conflict"

 

NB from AI Gemini

 

The Law of Armed Conflict (LOAC) is the same as International Humanitarian Law (IHL), also called the Law of War,

Walk Back Don changes his mine on a daily basis depending on what direction the wind is blowing. This is a man who has so little conviction, and absolutely no internal belief system or morality, so he just points his nose up at the wind takes a sniff and seems to act based on what he thinks will generate some interest or provocation. 

 

Thankfully due to his own ridiculousness, his continued support for super clowns like Petie, his whipsaw attitude about tariffs which change on a daily basis, his influence is waning, his popularity is slipping, many supporters are starting to question his actions, and he's going downhill fast, which is a beautiful thing for the planet. 

17 hours ago, Will B Good said:

"suggested by many".

Let me guess....another "anonymous source".

 

"Well, I was talking to my neighbor who dog sits for a guy that works at a book store. He heard the janitor mentioned something about a video of the drug boat attack"

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17 hours ago, Purdey said:

This thread is running away from the topic.

"President Trump on Monday walked back the support he previously voiced for releasing any video of a second strike on an alleged Venezuelan drug boat in early September, insisting he never said he supported making the video public."

Either he did or he didn't.

He supported it when he thought it made him look heroic and is now blocking it because it makes him look like a murderer. Yet another screw-up by the criminal in chief.

Video shows final, confused moments of survivors of US boat strike in Caribbean, say sources

 

Updated December 5, 2025 -- A video of the attack, shown to U.S. lawmakers on Thursday and described to Reuters by two sources familiar with the imagery, showed smoke clearing and two men, who had somehow lived through the blast, clinging to a severed section of the front of the vessel in a futile effort to survive.

 

They were shirtless, unarmed and carried no visible communications equipment. They also appeared to have no idea what had just hit them, or that the U.S. military was weighing whether to finish them off.


"The video follows them for about an hour as they tried to flip the boat back over. They couldn't do it," one source said.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/video-shows-final-confused-moments-survivors-us-boat-strike-caribbean-say-2025-12-05/

33 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Video shows final, confused moments of survivors of US boat strike in Caribbean, say sources

 

Updated December 5, 2025 -- A video of the attack, shown to U.S. lawmakers on Thursday and described to Reuters by two sources familiar with the imagery, showed smoke clearing and two men, who had somehow lived through the blast, clinging to a severed section of the front of the vessel in a futile effort to survive.

 

They were shirtless, unarmed and carried no visible communications equipment. They also appeared to have no idea what had just hit them, or that the U.S. military was weighing whether to finish them off.


"The video follows them for about an hour as they tried to flip the boat back over. They couldn't do it," one source said.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/video-shows-final-confused-moments-survivors-us-boat-strike-caribbean-say-2025-12-05/

Do you suppose such video could perhaps disuade drug smugglers from running their garbage to the US?

I wonder how many 10s or 100s or even 1000s of Americans lives will be saved thanks to this?

I know you guys are consumed with hatred for the POTUS but should we not try and look at the big picture rather than obsess over these drug smugglers just because Trump whacked them?

36 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Video shows final, confused moments of survivors of US boat strike in Caribbean, say sources

 

Updated December 5, 2025 -- A video of the attack, shown to U.S. lawmakers on Thursday and described to Reuters by two sources familiar with the imagery, showed smoke clearing and two men, who had somehow lived through the blast, clinging to a severed section of the front of the vessel in a futile effort to survive.

 

They were shirtless, unarmed and carried no visible communications equipment. They also appeared to have no idea what had just hit them, or that the U.S. military was weighing whether to finish them off.


"The video follows them for about an hour as they tried to flip the boat back over. They couldn't do it," one source said.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/video-shows-final-confused-moments-survivors-us-boat-strike-caribbean-say-2025-12-05/

Such a stressful job to decide to push those buttons!

They need counseling ? 

7 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Do you suppose such video could perhaps disuade drug smugglers from running their garbage to the US?

I wonder how many 10s or 100s or even 1000s of Americans lives will be saved thanks to this?

I know you guys are consumed with hatred for the POTUS but should we not try and look at the big picture rather than obsess over these drug smugglers just because Trump whacked them?

Were they drug runners? If they were, where were they headed?

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5 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Do you suppose such video could perhaps disuade drug smugglers from running their garbage to the US?

I wonder how many 10s or 100s or even 1000s of Americans lives will be saved thanks to this?

I know you guys are consumed with hatred for the POTUS but should we not try and look at the big picture rather than obsess over these drug smugglers just because Trump whacked them?

If the videos could "dissuade drug smugglers from running their garbage to the US" why the reluctance to release them? 

Most likely it would be European lives saved, not American live, since cocaine from Venezuela mostly ends up there. But you'll note I wrote "would be". Reportedly Columbia, Bolivia and Peru are producing record amounts of cocaine. There's always been some attrition. How much crimp in the supply lines will be displaced by these attacks? What's more, Venezuela is a minor player compared to other shippers like Colombia, Ecuador, and Peru. 

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Were they drug runners? If they were, where were they headed?

Hmmmm great point Einstein. It was probably corn flour they heard some Floridians wanted to bake some bread loaves. Jeeeez... I heard msm had destroyed peoples ability to think for themselves but...wow!

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3 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Hmmmm great point Einstein. It was probably corn flour they heard some Floridians wanted to bake some bread loaves. Jeeeez... I heard msm had destroyed peoples ability to think for themselves but...wow!

So you're ignoring the stats on coast guard interceptions that were wrong in many cases.

You're ignoring the admiral's statements the boat was meeting with another boat heading to Suriname, therefore Europe.

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1 hour ago, howlee101 said:

Let me guess....another "anonymous source".

 

"Well, I was talking to my neighbor who dog sits for a guy that works at a book store. He heard the janitor mentioned something about a video of the drug boat attack"

 

 

 

 

And what did he say?.......don't leave us all hanging.....

 

 

 

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ACLU sues DOJ to get documents about the justification of boat strikes in the Caribbean
 December 9, 2025 at 1:43 PM

 

WASHINGTON (TNND) — The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed a lawsuit against the Department of Justice to obtain a memo that justifies the legality of ongoing boat strikes in the Caribbean.

 

The lawsuit seeks an Office of Legal Counsel opinion that argues the strikes are legal and that those who conducted them cannot be held liable.

 

“Prompt disclosure of these records is critically important to ensuring informed public debate about the U.S. military’s unprecedented strikes, which have killed more than eighty civilians since September, in clear violation of domestic and international law,” the ACLU states in the lawsuit (their bold)

 

https://mynews4.com/news/nation-world/aclu-sues-doj-to-get-documents-about-the-justification-of-boat-strikes-in-the-caribbean-new-york-venezuela-pete-hegseth-trafficking

 

48 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

ACLU sues DOJ to get documents about the justification of boat strikes in the Caribbean
 December 9, 2025 at 1:43 PM

 

WASHINGTON (TNND) — The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed a lawsuit against the Department of Justice to obtain a memo that justifies the legality of ongoing boat strikes in the Caribbean.

 

The lawsuit seeks an Office of Legal Counsel opinion that argues the strikes are legal and that those who conducted them cannot be held liable.

 

“Prompt disclosure of these records is critically important to ensuring informed public debate about the U.S. military’s unprecedented strikes, which have killed more than eighty civilians since September, in clear violation of domestic and international law,” the ACLU states in the lawsuit (their bold)

 

https://mynews4.com/news/nation-world/aclu-sues-doj-to-get-documents-about-the-justification-of-boat-strikes-in-the-caribbean-new-york-venezuela-pete-hegseth-trafficking

 

 

 

Didn't Hegseth clear out all the legal beagles and JAG officers he thought might be problematic?

 

Should be interesting.

2 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

In 2012, Buffett made headlines when he revealed a startling truth: his secretary, Debbie Bosanek, paid a far higher tax rate than he did.

He explained, "I don't pay hardly any payroll taxes. Gov. Romney hardly pays any payroll taxes. Newt Gingrich hardly pays any payroll taxes." Driving the point home, he emphasized the disparity: "Debbie pays lots of payroll taxes."

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/billionaire-warren-buffett-calls-outrageous-173016060.html

You won't get many arguments over the unfairness of the tax code. That's something most can agree on. But, it's disingenuous to single out Trump or the rich Republicans. The mega rich democrats enjoy these same tax codes. 

 

Obama had 8 yrs and Biden had 4 yrs to even the playing field regarding taxes. Just like Trump said to HRC during the debates, he's using the tax code and smart about it just like her fellow democrats.

 

Personally I'd like to see a flat tax where everyone pays the same rate.

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35 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You won't get many arguments over the unfairness of the tax code. That's something most can agree on. But, it's disingenuous to single out Trump or the rich Republicans. The mega rich democrats enjoy these same tax codes. 

 

Obama had 8 yrs and Biden had 4 yrs to even the playing field regarding taxes. Just like Trump said to HRC during the debates, he's using the tax code and smart about it just like her fellow democrats.

 

Personally I'd like to see a flat tax where everyone pays the same rate.

In fact, both Obama and Biden did raise taxes on the wealthy. Biden was working with a razor thin majority.

It's the Republicans, from Ronald Reagan to George w bush to Donald Trump who have repeatedly lowered taxes on the rich.

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

 

 

And what did he say?.......don't leave us all hanging.....

 

 

 

He said "you know how to keep a woke liberal in suspense?"

7 minutes ago, howlee101 said:

He said "you know how to keep a woke liberal in suspense?"

 

No.....tell me....tell me......

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

 

No.....tell me....tell me......

wait until........

WSJ via https://archive.ph/0Lww1#selection-541.0-545.105

 

Hegseth Asked Top Admiral to Resign After Months of Discord
Relationship between Pentagon chief and military leader had been deteriorating since Trump’s inauguration

 

Dec. 3, 2025

 

But according to two Pentagon officials, Hegseth asked Adm. Alvin Holsey to step down, a de facto ouster that was the culmination of months of discord between Hegseth and the officer. It began days after President Trump’s inauguration in January and intensified months later when Holsey had initial concerns about the legality of lethal strikes on alleged drug boats in the Caribbean, according to former officials aware of the discussions.


Not long after, Hegseth announced that Holsey would be retiring.


Hegseth’s move, which hasn’t been previously reported, sheds new light on a brewing controversy over the legality of the military’s campaign in the Caribbean, and raises questions over whether servicemembers with concerns about the attacks are being listened to.

 

“Having [Holsey] leave at this particular moment, at the height of what the Pentagon considers to be the central action in our hemisphere, is just shocking,” says Todd Robinson, who served as assistant secretary for international narcotics and law enforcement affairs until January.

 

 


 

25 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

In fact, both Obama and Biden did raise taxes on the wealthy. Biden was working with a razor thin majority.

It's the Republicans, from Ronald Reagan to George w bush to Donald Trump who have repeatedly lowered taxes on the rich.

Changing the tax code and raising taxes are 2 separate animals. The story goes that Trump doesn't pay any taxes. So, that must be a myth.

5 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Do you suppose such video could perhaps disuade drug smugglers from running their garbage to the US?

I wonder how many 10s or 100s or even 1000s of Americans lives will be saved thanks to this?

I know you guys are consumed with hatred for the POTUS but should we not try and look at the big picture rather than obsess over these drug smugglers just because Trump whacked them?

sure and also pardon one of the biggest of all drug kingpins convicted in court by a jury after full trial and tons of evidence....400 tons of coke into usa and a pardon...then blow up a boat 1200 miles from usa carrying a few hundred pounds....and convince the cult that you are a tough anti drug guy....sure.

Release it. Why not. At the same time release all classified footage of American strikes. How about the strike that killed four American citizens. Surely the public should be seeing this also or is this simply a selective political one rather than anything to do with morals or legality. 

6 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Do you suppose such video could perhaps disuade drug smugglers from running their garbage to the US?

I wonder how many 10s or 100s or even 1000s of Americans lives will be saved thanks to this?

I know you guys are consumed with hatred for the POTUS but should we not try and look at the big picture rather than obsess over these drug smugglers just because Trump whacked them?

Lol! The Navy chief stated that the shipment was going to Europe. :laugh:

 

As to drug deaths, most of them are due to Fentanyl. Venezuela is not involved in Fentanyl production or trade, and it's only a minor player for cocaine, compared to Colombia, Peru or Brazil! :laugh:

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