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Danish spy agency calls US a potential risk to global security

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33 minutes ago, transam said:

As I said, you made a rather silly comment, backed up by another..........😒

And where do you come from....?

 

Definitely not Copenhagen, that overrated cackhole.

 

Thank God.

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57 minutes ago, Chutney said:

It's this level of delusion which is showing USA for the dangerous isolated ill informed populace as they are.

He's ended no wars.

The man is a senile moron with the emotional capability of a two year old and you lot handed him ultimate power.

Yes USA is now a clear and actual danger to the entire planet.

We look on with horror and deep sympathy for those in that nation who are trapped there in hell.

We'd really prefer you'd keep your mess to yourself though and mind your own damn business.

                   Considering all his alleged disabilities and failings, as outlined above, which he has presumably had to overcome in order  to  accumulate his wealth and reach his position surely he should be applauded by the leftists ?   

                    I am not normally one to cut off my nose to spite my face but I almost wish he gets voted out at the next election and replaced by cackling Kamala and Tampon Tim  Just to see the response from the Trump haters on here.  What on earth are you lot going to post about then? 

                  It certainly won't be anything positive about the new administration or the economy will it ?

I predict a rather ominous silence from most of you,   Others will return to Thai bashing and  general whinging about their sad lives 

                   Your use of the words "you lot" to describe over half of the American electorate  and "we" to describe a handful of virtue signalling retards on this forum is comedy gold

                    "A clear and actual danger to the entire planet"  talk  about a drama queen  try readind what you post before you click "send"

A real Dane tells of the plight of being Danish and living in the world's worst country:

 

"I’m a Dane but unlike most people in my country I really dislike Danes as a people. They are very conservative and fond of traditions, which I am not. Their friendlyness seems strange to me, like it’s not really genuine, but more a culture thing. And when they are not being fake friendly they are mostly sour. They are also extremely boring to be around, mostly just want to sit and drink beer instead of going on adventures. And it doesn't help that there is hardly anything to do in this country. Only positive thing I can say about Denmark is our healthcare system but that comes with a steep price of paying insanely high taxes that leave you with almost no money unless you have the highest education. I honestly feel like I'm going insane for living here"

 

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-everyone-hate-on-Denmark-What-are-the-negative-aspects-of-being-Danish-or-living-there

 

However bad your life is, at least you can take solace from the fact that you're not Danish.

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51 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Nobody cares what Danes think. Why is this even news?

 

A sack of rice falling over in China is more important than some Danish musings.


You do:

 

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

A real Dane tells of the plight of being Danish and living in the world's worst country:

 

"I’m a Dane but unlike most people in my country I really dislike Danes as a people. They are very conservative and fond of traditions, which I am not. Their friendlyness seems strange to me, like it’s not really genuine, but more a culture thing. And when they are not being fake friendly they are mostly sour. They are also extremely boring to be around, mostly just want to sit and drink beer instead of going on adventures. And it doesn't help that there is hardly anything to do in this country. Only positive thing I can say about Denmark is our healthcare system but that comes with a steep price of paying insanely high taxes that leave you with almost no money unless you have the highest education. I honestly feel like I'm going insane for living here"

 

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-everyone-hate-on-Denmark-What-are-the-negative-aspects-of-being-Danish-or-living-there

 

However bad your life is, at least you can take solace from the fact that you're not Danish.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

A real Dane tells of the plight of being Danish and living in the world's worst country:

 

"I’m a Dane but unlike most people in my country I really dislike Danes as a people. They are very conservative and fond of traditions, which I am not. Their friendlyness seems strange to me, like it’s not really genuine, but more a culture thing. And when they are not being fake friendly they are mostly sour. They are also extremely boring to be around, mostly just want to sit and drink beer instead of going on adventures. And it doesn't help that there is hardly anything to do in this country. Only positive thing I can say about Denmark is our healthcare system but that comes with a steep price of paying insanely high taxes that leave you with almost no money unless you have the highest education. I honestly feel like I'm going insane for living here"

 

https://www.quora.com/Why-does-everyone-hate-on-Denmark-What-are-the-negative-aspects-of-being-Danish-or-living-there

 

However bad your life is, at least you can take solace from the fact that you're not Danish.

Reads like he is on the same wavelength as you, not a good word about anything.....................😬

The world is full of blokes like that, a few on here too.........😟

Danes were the first people in the world to legalize pornography and then proceeded to pioneer pornographic films with animals. They are, by a long distance, the most perverted people on the planet.

 

If you ever go to Denmark make sure you don't bring your Labrador.  They're not safe in Denmark.

 

"Between 1969 and 1980, the Color Climax Corporation produced legal child pornography films. Since 1980, child pornography has been illegal in Denmark."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_in_Denmark

 

Danes - not just a menace to your Labrador.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

Danes were the first people in the world to legalize pornography and then proceeded to pioneer pornographic films with animals. They are, by a long distance, the most perverted people on the planet.

 

If you ever go to Denmark make sure you don't bring your Labrador.  They're not safe in Denmark.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_in_Denmark

More from your files.........?.........😬

 

What did Denmark do you wrong, do tell, not an animal rejection, I hope...................😧

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Did you credit him for ending all those wars the democrats couldn't? What are we up,to now, 8? Is ending wars the left couldnt end a "threat to global security"?

Gotta love lefties talking in opposites. 

Please inform us about all the wars that Tariff Don has ended. Afghanistan? That was what we call a quick withdrawal leaving behind tens of thousands of allies who assisted us for 20 years, who lost their lives or got kidnapped by the Taliban, that was sure smooth. Not to mention billions in equipment. No need to blame that on Biden, Trump passed that mess onto him. 

 

Or are you talking about the Ukraine war which he promised to end in one day? 

 

Or perhaps you're talking about the ceasefire in Gaza which Israel continues to violate? 

 

Or are you talking about his great negotiating skills that were used to permanently solve the problem between Thailand and Cambodia?

 

Please illuminate us about these great skills of his. Did you say eight wars? Okay, let's hear it. 

59 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Denmark is not even a country.

 

Huh? What do you mean by that?

Just now, nrasmussen said:

 

Huh? What do you mean by that?

 

It's just a tiny renegade north-German province!

 

It's as if Thuringia had issued a report! 

 

It's ridiculous!

22 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

 Afghanistan? That was what we call a quick withdrawal leaving behind tens of thousands of allies who assisted us for 20 years, who lost their lives or got kidnapped by the Taliban, that was sure smooth. Not to mention billions in equipment. No need to blame that on Biden, Trump passed that mess onto him. 

 

 

Another belter mike!

 

So Biden could undo Trumps border treaties in 5 minutes to throw open the border to any gangbanger who wanted in. But not Trumps plans to end the Afghan war in a CONTROLLED WITHDRAWAL. Oh no. Those were cast in stone and couldn't be broken or changed when Joes panicked and chaotic fleeing was turning to the brown stuff, not even by god himself. Hilarious in its foolishness.

 

Those people swarming and falling of the plane, that my friend was 100% Biden. The Afghans that assisted the US and were abandoned to be tortured and dispatched of by the Taliban. That again, 100% Biden. The billions of $$ of war machinery abandoned to the Taluban instead of being fuelled up and flown a few dozen miles to safety. Again, that was all Biden.

 

The sad thing is, you know all this. Buy still pretend its that naughty Trump. Why?

 

 

2 hours ago, Wingate said:

LOL!

 

You "fair share" guys are so funny.

 

What it means in reality is: please NATO allies, teach your own defense industries how to run massive cost overruns like we do in the USA. And make sure you also build useless weapons that were for the last war, not modern wars. Oh, and let former military officials become advisers and salesmen for the defense industry, because they can convince guys still in the mil to buy needless and inferior products, so "I" can get a big bonus.

 

And let me not forget: buy paint. Lots of paint, as you know the old saying: If it moves, salute it; if it's not moving, paint it.

 

LOL ........

Your cynical "defense industry scam" rant is the tired excuse of every NATO deadbeat who's been mooching off American taxpayers for 75 years while pretending their stinginess is some moral high ground. "Massive cost overruns"? "Useless weapons"? "Paint everything"? Spare us the cartoon villain script – that's projection from allies who can't even hit 2% GDP without whining.Reality check:

The U.S. spends 3.5–4% GDP on defense (2025: $900B+), footing 70% of NATO's total bill so Europe can splurge on welfare states. Denmark? 1.38%. Germany? Barely scraping 2% after decades of promises. "Fair share" isn't "copy U.S. corruption" – it's "stop treating American blood and treasure like your personal ATM."

"Useless weapons for the last war"? The F-35 (your favorite overrun punchline) is flying combat missions in 2025 – stealth, sensor fusion, dominating skies over Ukraine proxies and Chinese drills.

Europe's "modern" alternatives? Gripen delays, Eurofighter scandals, and Rafale export flops. Who’s building hypersonics, carrier groups, and global sat networks? Not the EU – they're buying American because their industries can't deliver without U.S. tech.

"Former military salesmen"? Revolving door exists everywhere – BAE Systems, Airbus Defence, Thales are packed with ex-officials lobbying just as hard.

But only the U.S. has the R&D muscle to innovate (e.g., NGAD, B-21) while Europe's "independent" programs bleed billions for inferior knockoffs (FCAS delays ring a bell?).

Paint? That's your closer??? Adorable – while U.S. carriers project power across oceans, half of Germany's subs are in drydock,

France's navy struggles with readiness, and the UK's carriers sail without full squadrons. "If it moves, salute it" – yeah, salute the Americans keeping the sea lanes open so your imports don't get choked by Russia or China.

 

Bottom line: Europe's not "virtuous" – you're cheap. "Fair share" means grow up, invest properly, and stop hiding behind conspiracy memes when asked to defend yourselves. The U.S. isn't forcing you to copy "corruption" – we're tired of subsidizing your pacifism. Pay up or shut up. The grown-ups are talking.

5 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

 

LOL ........

Your cynical "defense industry scam" rant is the tired excuse of every NATO deadbeat who's been mooching off American taxpayers for 75 years while pretending their stinginess is some moral high ground. "Massive cost overruns"? "Useless weapons"? "Paint everything"? Spare us the cartoon villain script – that's projection from allies who can't even hit 2% GDP without whining.Reality check:

The U.S. spends 3.5–4% GDP on defense (2025: $900B+), footing 70% of NATO's total bill so Europe can splurge on welfare states. Denmark? 1.38%. Germany? Barely scraping 2% after decades of promises. "Fair share" isn't "copy U.S. corruption" – it's "stop treating American blood and treasure like your personal ATM."

"Useless weapons for the last war"? The F-35 (your favorite overrun punchline) is flying combat missions in 2025 – stealth, sensor fusion, dominating skies over Ukraine proxies and Chinese drills.

Europe's "modern" alternatives? Gripen delays, Eurofighter scandals, and Rafale export flops. Who’s building hypersonics, carrier groups, and global sat networks? Not the EU – they're buying American because their industries can't deliver without U.S. tech.

"Former military salesmen"? Revolving door exists everywhere – BAE Systems, Airbus Defence, Thales are packed with ex-officials lobbying just as hard.

But only the U.S. has the R&D muscle to innovate (e.g., NGAD, B-21) while Europe's "independent" programs bleed billions for inferior knockoffs (FCAS delays ring a bell?).

Paint? That's your closer??? Adorable – while U.S. carriers project power across oceans, half of Germany's subs are in drydock,

France's navy struggles with readiness, and the UK's carriers sail without full squadrons. "If it moves, salute it" – yeah, salute the Americans keeping the sea lanes open so your imports don't get choked by Russia or China.

 

Bottom line: Europe's not "virtuous" – you're cheap. "Fair share" means grow up, invest properly, and stop hiding behind conspiracy memes when asked to defend yourselves. The U.S. isn't forcing you to copy "corruption" – we're tired of subsidizing your pacifism. Pay up or shut up. The grown-ups are talking.

 

If there is anyone who have ripped you guys off, it is your own people. Your allies have paid for every investement USA have done in our countries by benefiting trade deals and support. It is not our fault your own people let you pay the bills for them to become rich, and also the bigges economy in the world. Useful idiots when taking simple baits as what you serve here. 

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

You can't trust anything a Dane tells you. Even the "Danish" is really Austrian.

 

The Danish word for what Americans call a “Danish” is actually wienerbrød (Vienna bread), so don’t blame the Danes for American ignorance. (And, by the way, the American version of this delicious treat is far inferior to the original Danish one.)

5 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Denmark are only triggered Trump wanted to make Greenland great again and all Greenlanders Cadillac driving millionaires.

Bet most of them are secretly gagging for his wishes to come true.

Making stuff up again...:laugh:

I'll tell you what's not made up: The dark and terrible history of Danish exploitation of the African slave trade.

 

Over 100,000 Africans, violently snatched by evil Danes and sold into plantations in the Caribbean.

 

Have the Danes paid for these evil crimes against humanity?

 

Forcibly transporting around 100,000 enslaved Africans to the Danish West Indies (now U.S. Virgin Islands) for sugar plantations, involving severe exploitation and violence, with slavery only ending in 1848 after uprisings is okay?

 

Where is the Danish report on that?

 

 

Just now, Cameroni said:

I'll tell you what's not made up: The dark and terrible history of Danish exploitation of the African slave trade.

 

Over 100,000 Africans, violently snatched by evil Danes and sold into plantations in the Caribbean.

 

Have the Danes pais for these evil crimes against humanity?

 

Forcibly transporting around 100,000 enslaved Africans to the Danish West Indies (now U.S. Virgin Islands) for sugar plantations, involving severe exploitation and violence, with slavery only ending in 1848 after uprisings is okay?

 

Where is the Danish report on that?

 

 

 

According to Grok (AI) it's all in the Danish history books. But nice try!😄

 

 

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Nothing new. America has been making trouble for the world since the end of WW2. 

3 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

 

According to Grok (AI) it's all in the Danish history books. But nice try!😄

 

 

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But did the Danes pay reparations? If not, let's invade them and take what they stole from Africa.

 

It won't take longer than three or four hours. 

 

Hitler invaded Denmark in six hours. Imagine how useless Danish soldiers are.

28 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

But did the Danes pay reparations? If not, let's invade them and take what they stole from Africa.

 

It won't take longer than three or four hours. 

 

Hitler invaded Denmark in six hours. Imagine how useless Danish soldiers are.

Wow, you're really getting to the crux of that matter, aren't you.

Well done, Cam. Boss level diversionary muppetry reached!😂

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Another belter mike!

 

So Biden could undo Trumps border treaties in 5 minutes to throw open the border to any gangbanger who wanted in. But not Trumps plans to end the Afghan war in a CONTROLLED WITHDRAWAL. Oh no. Those were cast in stone and couldn't be broken or changed when Joes panicked and chaotic fleeing was turning to the brown stuff, not even by god himself. Hilarious in its foolishness.

 

Those people swarming and falling of the plane, that my friend was 100% Biden. The Afghans that assisted the US and were abandoned to be tortured and dispatched of by the Taliban. That again, 100% Biden. The billions of $$ of war machinery abandoned to the Taluban instead of being fuelled up and flown a few dozen miles to safety. Again, that was all Biden.

 

The sad thing is, you know all this. Buy still pretend its that naughty Trump. Why?

 

 

The Afghan withdrawal was an epic failure on the part of both Trump and Biden and I think the responsibility has to be shared equally.

 

Republican lawmakers held President Joe Biden responsible for the disastrous exit, while Democrats blamed the Trump administration's deal with the Taliban. Both the Biden and Trump administrations had had a role in the disastrous withdrawal, as had the administrations that preceded them.

 

The Doha agreement - a deal former President Donald Trump negotiated with the Taliban that set the terms for the US departure - "pulled the rug out, morale wise" of both the Afghan security forces and government, Mr Milley said. 

 

There is no doubt that it was a terrible agreement, and just another horrifically poor negotiation on the part of Trump. 

 

The Biden administration and Democrats have regularly blamed Donald Trump for negotiating the agreement with the Taliban that led to the withdrawal, arguing that his decisions "severely constrained" Mr Biden's options. A government watchdog found that both administrations were to blame for the disastrous withdrawal that saw Afghan forces overwhelmed.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68612367

38 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

If there is anyone who have ripped you guys off, it is your own people. Your allies have paid for every investement USA have done in our countries by benefiting trade deals and support. It is not our fault your own people let you pay the bills for them to become rich, and also the bigges economy in the world. Useful idiots when taking simple baits as what you serve here. 

 

Oh, please – this "your own corrupt elites ripped you off" cop-out is the ultimate deadbeat dodge from allies who've been living large on American subsidies while pretending it's "mutual benefit."

Blame Lockheed lobbyists or Pentagon brass all you want – the cold fact is Europe's spent 75 years under-spending on defense, funneling savings into cushy welfare states, while U.S. taxpayers foot the bill for your security blanket.

 

"Benefiting trade deals"? Laughable – the EU runs massive surpluses with the U.S. ($200B+ in 2024), slapping tariffs on American exports while hiding behind NATO's shield.

"Support"? You mean the trillions America poured into rebuilding Europe post-WWII (Marshall Plan: $150B adjusted), stationing hundreds of thousands of troops, and deterring Soviet/Russian tanks so you could sip espresso in peace?

 

Your "biggest economy" fairy tale? The U.S. became a superpower despite carrying dead weight like you – not because of "rich elites" alone, but because we invested in power projection you refused.

"Useful idiots"? Projection much – the real idiots are Europeans who think "peace dividend" means eternal free ride, then cry when asked to pay 2% GDP (most still don't). Trump's "fair share" isn't bait – it's an overdue invoice for decades of mooching.

Own your cheapness instead of whining about "our own people." If allies were real partners, you'd celebrate the push to stand tall – not deflect with conspiracy drivel. Pay up, grow up, or shut up. The bill's due.

3 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

he's a multi millionaire and the president of the USA     and you are a veteran of 150 posts on this forum ,   I know who i consider the more successful man. Assuming you criticism of him is correct , what does that make you ?

Female actually. 55555

2 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

                   Considering all his alleged disabilities and failings, as outlined above, which he has presumably had to overcome in order  to  accumulate his wealth and reach his position surely he should be applauded by the leftists ?   

                    I am not normally one to cut off my nose to spite my face but I almost wish he gets voted out at the next election and replaced by cackling Kamala and Tampon Tim  Just to see the response from the Trump haters on here.  What on earth are you lot going to post about then? 

                  It certainly won't be anything positive about the new administration or the economy will it ?

I predict a rather ominous silence from most of you,   Others will return to Thai bashing and  general whinging about their sad lives 

                   Your use of the words "you lot" to describe over half of the American electorate  and "we" to describe a handful of virtue signalling retards on this forum is comedy gold

                    "A clear and actual danger to the entire planet"  talk  about a drama queen  try readind what you post before you click "send"

Sorry to have hurt your feelings. If good ole USA is so marvelous one wonders why you are living in Thailand? 🙂

8 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

 The quote is real (straight from the DDIS's December 9, 2025, "Udsyn 2025" report), but Salon's framing? It's fearmongering clickbait that ignores the U.S.'s indispensable role as NATO's backbone...

Wait a bloody minute! It's the US has been shirking its payments to NATO for years, maybe decades.

 

"NATO members did make a commitment four years ago to spend at least 2 percent of their GDP on defense by 2024. Just nine of the military alliance's 29 members are expected to reach or surpass that target this year.

 

"Trump did not say 70 to 90 percent of what. It's true that if the overall defense budgets of all 29 NATO allies are tallied, the U.S. defense budget accounts for about two-thirds of that total. But as noted above, American defense expenditures are for much more than just protecting Europe.

'There is a common budget that all NATO allies pay into," says O'Connell of NATO's direct expenses for shared headquarters and exercises. "It's about $2.8 billion and the U.S. pays 22 percent of that, not 90 percent.'" -- NPR

 

IOW, the US war budget is its own, nothing to do with NATO.

16 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

 

Oh, please – this "your own corrupt elites ripped you off" cop-out is the ultimate deadbeat dodge from allies who've been living large on American subsidies while pretending it's "mutual benefit."

Blame Lockheed lobbyists or Pentagon brass all you want – the cold fact is Europe's spent 75 years under-spending on defense, funneling savings into cushy welfare states, while U.S. taxpayers foot the bill for your security blanket.

 

"Benefiting trade deals"? Laughable – the EU runs massive surpluses with the U.S. ($200B+ in 2024), slapping tariffs on American exports while hiding behind NATO's shield.

"Support"? You mean the trillions America poured into rebuilding Europe post-WWII (Marshall Plan: $150B adjusted), stationing hundreds of thousands of troops, and deterring Soviet/Russian tanks so you could sip espresso in peace?

 

Your "biggest economy" fairy tale? The U.S. became a superpower despite carrying dead weight like you – not because of "rich elites" alone, but because we invested in power projection you refused.

"Useful idiots"? Projection much – the real idiots are Europeans who think "peace dividend" means eternal free ride, then cry when asked to pay 2% GDP (most still don't). Trump's "fair share" isn't bait – it's an overdue invoice for decades of mooching.

Own your cheapness instead of whining about "our own people." If allies were real partners, you'd celebrate the push to stand tall – not deflect with conspiracy drivel. Pay up, grow up, or shut up. The bill's due.

 

Unfortunate you guys can't see the benefits from your allies, and your own who sold you out, and now selling us out.

 

But honestly, becoming more independent is for our own good, not yours

Even the Danish Spy agency could not prevent the likes of Scotland thrashing Denmark 4:2 in the qualifying for the 2026 World Cup.

 

Denmark now has to go through the embarassment of the play-off route. If they make it at ll.

 

Beaten by Scotland. How low the Danish nation has sunk.

 

To the shame of animal porn, child porn and transatlantic slave trading we now must add total sporting humiliation.

 

It's truly awful to be a Dane. I almost pity them.

 

https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/47011300/scotland-vs-denmark-football-live-follow-world-cup-qualifier-winner-takes-all-hampden-park

5 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Wait a bloody minute! It's the US has been shirking its payments to NATO for years, maybe decades.

 

"NATO members did make a commitment four years ago to spend at least 2 percent of their GDP on defense by 2024. Just nine of the military alliance's 29 members are expected to reach or surpass that target this year.

 

"Trump did not say 70 to 90 percent of what. It's true that if the overall defense budgets of all 29 NATO allies are tallied, the U.S. defense budget accounts for about two-thirds of that total. But as noted above, American defense expenditures are for much more than just protecting Europe.

'There is a common budget that all NATO allies pay into," says O'Connell of NATO's direct expenses for shared headquarters and exercises. "It's about $2.8 billion and the U.S. pays 22 percent of that, not 90 percent.'" -- NPR

 

IOW, the US war budget is its own, nothing to do with NATO.

 

Wait a bloody minute?

No, you wait – your cherry-picked NPR quote from 2018 (pre-Trump's spending surge and 2025's new targets) is outdated spin that confuses NATO's tiny "common budget" with the real meat:

Each ally's defense spending, where the U.S. shoulders 65–70% of the alliance's total firepower while most Europeans freeload.

"Shirking"? Bull – the U.S. has overpaid for years, dumping $1.2T+ annually (3.5% GDP in 2025) into global ops that protect Europe from Russia and China, while allies like Germany scraped by at 1.2% until Putin's Ukraine wake-up call.

Your "22% of common budget" line? That's the peanuts pot ($3.8B in 2024, $4.1B in 2025) for HQ and exercises – US pays 16.3% now (down from 22% pre-formula tweak), based on GDP shares, not "shirking."

The 2% (now 5% by 2035 per Hague Summit 2025) is national defense spending – not "payments to NATO" – and only 23/32 allies hit 2% in 2025, up from 9 in 2024, thanks to Trump's nagging.

Alliance total: $1.6T in 2025, US ~$950B of it – that's 59%, not "nothing to do with NATO." Your "war budget separate" dodge? Naive – U.S. forces in Europe (100K troops, 2025) and nukes under NATO command are the backbone keeping Putin at bay.

Europe's "trade deals"? Yeah, $200B+ surpluses with the U.S., all while we subsidize your security. Shirking? Europe wrote the book – pay up or own the hypocrisy.

7 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

The U.S. pays 70 % of NATO’s bills while Denmark sits at 1.38 % GDP defense spending. Cry harder.

 

600 U.S. troops at Thule and billions in intel protect Denmark from Russia every day.

 

No ally has ever successfully prosecuted U.S. forces for lawful operations — and never will while America controls the seas, skies, and dollar.

 

This isn’t a “security threat” exposé; it’s Europe whining about finally being asked to pay its share.

 

The US does not pay 70% of NATO's bills. NATO doesn't have a centralised military budget that all its members pay into.

 

The only budget with shared funding that they have is a relatively small one for NATO's administrative functions which is directly proportional to each country's GDP and of that, the US pays about 22%, which is larger than anyone else (because their GDP is larger) but it's nowhere near 70%.

 

The actual amount is around $1 billion which might sound a lot, but it's miniscule compared to the total US defence budget of over $800 billion.

 

Now, it is true, that if you were to add up the defence budgets of all the NATO members and express that as one figure, then the US's defence spending would represent 70% of that total.

 

However that figure would be the total of what all  the NATO members combined (including the US) spend on their own defence. It is not what they spend on NATO.

 

In the case of the US for instance, the money you're talking about is the total budget for the US military all around the world - not exclusively for NATO.

 

As an example, the money currently being spent on deploying US naval assets to the seas near Venezuela, comes out of that budget. I don't think even you could argue that this money is somehow part of NATO  spending.

12 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

Unfortunate you guys can't see the benefits from your allies, and your own who sold you out, and now selling us out.

 

But honestly, becoming more independent is for our own good, not yours

The "benefits" from allies? Like Europe's $200B+ annual trade surplus with the U.S. while we bankroll 70% of NATO's muscle? That's not partnership—that's parasitism.

Your "independence" talk? Cute cover for decades of freeloading.

Go ahead, "stand alone"—see how long your welfare states last without American carriers, nukes, and intel keeping Russia and China at bay.

We're not "sold out"—we're done carrying dead weight. Independence is great; try affording it without our subsidy. Good luck.:biggrin:

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