36 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Problem is trump's numbers are less than opinions: totally made up, not related to any fact.

 

The CPI figures are from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

 

Not from the back of Trump's cigarette packet.  

31 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

I strongly suspect the ones quoted in the OP are.

 

Let them whinge. The CPI data is clear. If that upsets the afflicted, so be it. 

You also believe in 500% discounts ? 

Numbers have not necessarily been cooked.  There are issues of data collection because of the shutdown.

 

Housing has a disproportionate weight in the CPI (35-40%). That's the first component to look at.

2 hours ago, transam said:

Did he kill off millions to do it, and put the fear of his god into the populace to not do as he says.........?  🤫

 

I think Trump has the same ideas, except he can't kill off those he doesn't like, but will try and hit them in their pocket...........😪............Which he is doing to all ordinary folk, now......😬

Ok maccas boy

56 minutes ago, candide said:

Numbers have not necessarily been cooked.  There are issues of data collection because of the shutdown.

 

Housing has a disproportionate weight in the CPI (35-40%). That's the first component to look at.

Let's look for a negative spin cause it's not 5% like Biden 

32 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Let's look for a negative spin cause it's not 5% like Biden 

Keep updated! It was 2.9% in 2024...😅

7 hours ago, Dan O said:

When you lie and and just make up fictional information and present it as facts to the blindky gullible anything is possible. Also shutting down the release of statistical data reports issued by various agencies also help shield the infirm from the reality that is actually going on. 

 

Making up fictional information...  You mean like the Dems did in the runup to 2024?

 

Someone's going to have to 'splain to me how 300,000 working age illegals entered in a month where 100,000 jobs were allegedly created, and unemployment didn't go up that month. 

 

Must be that new math.

26 minutes ago, candide said:

Keep updated! It was 2.9% in 2024...😅

2.7% now thanks Trump.

26 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

2.7% now thanks Trump.

But, you're not American, how does it help you....?   

34 minutes ago, transam said:

But, you're not American, how does it help you....?   

How's the ashes?

Just now, Harrisfan said:

How's the ashes?

Ashes, no fire here...............🤔

Take the report with a million grains of salt.  As the op posted, the data it was based on is wispy 

'No other way to spin it': CNN analyst admits inflation numbers look good

https://www.wnd.com/2025/12/no-other-way-spin-it-cnn-analyst-admits/

 

"Trump touted his economic policies in a Wednesday night speech, while a fact sheet released by the White House noted lower prices for fresh fruit, butter, ice cream, shampoo and toilet paper. The White House also highlighted declining gas prices."

 

It looks like President Trump is winning again this time with lower inflation data. Even left wing CNN analyst admits this data looks good. 

25 minutes ago, Screaming said:

'No other way to spin it': CNN analyst admits inflation numbers look good

https://www.wnd.com/2025/12/no-other-way-spin-it-cnn-analyst-admits/

 

"Trump touted his economic policies in a Wednesday night speech, while a fact sheet released by the White House noted lower prices for fresh fruit, butter, ice cream, shampoo and toilet paper. The White House also highlighted declining gas prices."

 

It looks like President Trump is winning again this time with lower inflation data. Even left wing CNN analyst admits this data looks good. 

Contrary to Trump's promise, apart from cherry picked items, food prices increased in 2025.

 

Declining gas price is due to OPEC increasing production in order to regain market shares, not because of US policies. 

6 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Making up fictional information...  You mean like the Dems did in the runup to 2024?

 

Someone's going to have to 'splain to me how 300,000 working age illegals entered in a month where 100,000 jobs were allegedly created, and unemployment didn't go up that month. 

 

Must be that new math.

Or hey more propaganda from the gop playing with what nunbers actually mean 

5 hours ago, candide said:

Contrary to Trump's promise, apart from cherry picked items, food prices increased in 2025.

 

Declining gas price is due to OPEC increasing production in order to regain market shares, not because of US policies. 

Prices always increase.  The target is 2% per year.  

4 minutes ago, TedG said:

Prices always increase.  The target is 2% per year.  

Of course!  However, it's not what Trump promised (and still claims)..🙂.

1 minute ago, candide said:

Of course!  However, it's not what Trump promised (and still claims)..🙂.

Let's see how the dems do at lowering.  

https://thehill.com/video-clips/5653281-watch-live-schumer-democrats-lower-costs-proposal/

 

We all know this is not a serous bill.

7 minutes ago, TedG said:

Let's see how the dems do at lowering.  

https://thehill.com/video-clips/5653281-watch-live-schumer-democrats-lower-costs-proposal/

 

We all know this is not a serous bill.

But but deflection....

I just wondering how it feels to see the president adress the nation in serious matters, and understand the context of what his messages is? 

 

How is it possible to defend such a man for so long? I mean, he have been like this since he started crying about the birth certificate, and also had his speeches about how lojal and smart his fans and followers where 

More winning

 

 

Consumer sentiment shows 'substantial decline' from last year amid higher prices, tough job market

Though the University of Michigan’s final reading of consumer sentiment for December showed a modest improvement of 1.9 points from November, the overall index remains 28.5% lower than it was a year ago at 52.9. Last December, the reading was at 74.

 

Data published this week showed the country’s jobless rate hit a four-year high of 4.6% in November.

 

Meanwhile, the survey’s gauge for economic conditions dropped to 50.4, down nearly 33% from a year ago. Still, consumer expectations improved in December compared to November.

 

As for inflation, consumers expect price growth to reach a rate of 4.2% in the year ahead — the lowest reading in 11 months, the University of Michigan said. But it’s well above the level of 3.3% seen in January.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/consumer-sentiment-shows-substantial-decline-from-last-year-amid-higher-prices-tough-job-market-160618145.html

 

 

15 hours ago, Hummin said:

I just wondering how it feels to see the president adress the nation in serious matters, and understand the context of what his messages is? 

 

How is it possible to defend such a man for so long? I mean, he have been like this since he started crying about the birth certificate, and also had his speeches about how lojal and smart his fans and followers where 

There is no legitimate defense.

 

He's been like this his whole life. Google his legal issues prior to ever running for politics. 

 

His own mother said it best in an interview calling him " an idiot". 

On 12/19/2025 at 7:29 PM, candide said:

Contrary to Trump's promise, apart from cherry picked items, food prices increased in 2025.

 

Declining gas price is due to OPEC increasing production in order to regain market shares, not because of US policies. 

Negative lefty sad

On 12/20/2025 at 2:32 AM, CallumWK said:

More winning

 

 

Consumer sentiment shows 'substantial decline' from last year amid higher prices, tough job market

Though the University of Michigan’s final reading of consumer sentiment for December showed a modest improvement of 1.9 points from November, the overall index remains 28.5% lower than it was a year ago at 52.9. Last December, the reading was at 74.

 

Data published this week showed the country’s jobless rate hit a four-year high of 4.6% in November.

 

Meanwhile, the survey’s gauge for economic conditions dropped to 50.4, down nearly 33% from a year ago. Still, consumer expectations improved in December compared to November.

 

As for inflation, consumers expect price growth to reach a rate of 4.2% in the year ahead — the lowest reading in 11 months, the University of Michigan said. But it’s well above the level of 3.3% seen in January.

 

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/consumer-sentiment-shows-substantial-decline-from-last-year-amid-higher-prices-tough-job-market-160618145.html

 

 

More rubbish

On 12/19/2025 at 9:52 AM, spidermike007 said:

Yes I agree these numbers are completely ridiculous. I use real numbers which are food staples that I consume every time I go back to the US which is two to three times a year, and every single time without fail my staples have gone up 10%, so what does that compute to? 22% annual? 

 

Everyone is talking about the rising prices in the US and only the most affluent seem to be capable of ignoring it. Trump has not only not been able to do anything about the problem, he seems to have exacerbated the price rises with his stupid and ineffective tariffs. 

 

Except that is a very stupid metric

 

YOUR food that you randomly select on any given trip to your random market in some random part of the USA. 😂😂😂

 

Economic numbers based on a far larger basket of products and even services than the junk food spidermite eats

 

Again and as an aside... you live in USA and posting about USA. Sure just admit it. You informed the board you sold your home years ago. Inflation has been negligible at best re Thai foodstuff since six months post covid

10 minutes ago, MarcusAurelius said:

 

Except that is a very stupid metric

 

YOUR food that you randomly select on any given trip to your random market in some random part of the USA. 😂😂😂

 

Economic numbers based on a far larger basket of products and even services than the junk food spidermite eats

 

Again and as an aside... you live in USA and posting about USA. Sure just admit it. You informed the board you sold your home years ago. Inflation has been negligible at best re Thai foodstuff since six months post covid

As I've stated many times previously I have a business in the US and I go back 2 to 3 times a year from a month or so, at a time. I live here full-time and have for decades the exception is the time I spend back there. So stop your false ranting and stop your nonsense.

 

I know America, I know the economy. I know my friends and family who are complaining non-stop, and no amount of denial about inflation will have any effect on the problem that 70% of Americans face right now. 

 

When it comes to any reasonable and rational debate disinformation is just not helpful. 

 

The CPI model does not take into account the evolution of consumer preferences and spending habits over time due to changes in lifestyle, technology and societal trends. The fixed basket, based on a historical snapshot, may not be representative of contemporary consumption patterns. Even though various adjustments are regularly implemented, they largely fail to reflect the shifts in the real economy. 

 

For example, the fixed basket approach assumes that the quality of goods and services remains constant over time. On one hand, technological advancements and other improvements can enhance the quality of products, leading to an underestimation of the true value obtained by consumers. On the other, if quality deteriorates, for instance because of cost-cutting measures on the part of producers, the fixed basket may not accurately capture that decrease in value. 

 

Another major blind spot of CPI calculations is that they exclude asset prices, completely neglecting the market value of financial and real assets such as stocks, bonds, real estate and other investments. This renders the metric highly problematic, as changes in asset prices disproportionately affect the wealth of individuals with higher incomes. A measure that fails to account for these variables is an unreliable policy tool. It also creates a distorted picture of reality, leading to stock market or real estate bubbles.

 

However, the most widely criticized aspect of the CPI is that the goods and services that the fixed basket includes are assigned different weights by CPI statisticians, based on their relative importance to the average household. For instance, they might assume that rental costs account for 30 percent of total household expenditures, food and beverages for 20 percent, transportation for 10 percent, and so on. Obviously, the higher the relative importance or weight that a certain item is assigned, the more influential that item becomes in the total calculation. For example, if fuel prices suddenly explode, then those particular price increases are seen as “driving inflation,” as we saw two winters ago, especially in Europe. 

 

Real inflation in the US right now is between 15 and 20% annually. 

 

https://share.google/v43jtCTO1xCnOIC50

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

As I've stated many times previously I have a business in the US and I go back 2 to 3 times a year from a month or so, at a time. I live here full-time and have for decades the exception is the time I spend back there. So stop your false ranting and stop your nonsense.

 

I know America, I know the economy. I know my friends and family who are complaining non-stop, and no amount of denial about inflation will have any effect on the problem that 70% of Americans face right now. 

 

When it comes to any reasonable and rational debate disinformation is just not helpful. 

 

The CPI model does not take into account the evolution of consumer preferences and spending habits over time due to changes in lifestyle, technology and societal trends. The fixed basket, based on a historical snapshot, may not be representative of contemporary consumption patterns. Even though various adjustments are regularly implemented, they largely fail to reflect the shifts in the real economy. 

 

For example, the fixed basket approach assumes that the quality of goods and services remains constant over time. On one hand, technological advancements and other improvements can enhance the quality of products, leading to an underestimation of the true value obtained by consumers. On the other, if quality deteriorates, for instance because of cost-cutting measures on the part of producers, the fixed basket may not accurately capture that decrease in value. 

 

Another major blind spot of CPI calculations is that they exclude asset prices, completely neglecting the market value of financial and real assets such as stocks, bonds, real estate and other investments. This renders the metric highly problematic, as changes in asset prices disproportionately affect the wealth of individuals with higher incomes. A measure that fails to account for these variables is an unreliable policy tool. It also creates a distorted picture of reality, leading to stock market or real estate bubbles.

 

However, the most widely criticized aspect of the CPI is that the goods and services that the fixed basket includes are assigned different weights by CPI statisticians, based on their relative importance to the average household. For instance, they might assume that rental costs account for 30 percent of total household expenditures, food and beverages for 20 percent, transportation for 10 percent, and so on. Obviously, the higher the relative importance or weight that a certain item is assigned, the more influential that item becomes in the total calculation. For example, if fuel prices suddenly explode, then those particular price increases are seen as “driving inflation,” as we saw two winters ago, especially in Europe. 

 

Real inflation in the US right now is between 15 and 20% annually. 

 

https://share.google/v43jtCTO1xCnOIC50

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, MarcusAurelius said:

 

 

 

 

Well, you could have just clicked the link at the bottom of the post, if you weren't that ignorant

16 minutes ago, MarcusAurelius said:

 

 

 

And Claudio Grass is not human? 

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Real inflation in the US right now is between 15 and 20% annually. 

There is a reason why we have the CPI to accurately calculate inflation, which is to stop conspiracy theorists pulling silly numbers out of their rears.