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Did Obama make America worse on purpose, or was he just low IQ?

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Patriotism and love for country seemed to have been lost during his terms because he didnt seem to be proud to be an American himself wouldnt you agree?

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    Trump makes Obama look like a genius.

  • No mystery there. Look at his background and the people who raised him. He's an apple that didn't fall far from the tree.

  • I listened to his speech to the British Houses of Parliament in Westminster Hall during his State Visit to the UK in May 2011.   He was witty, generous, and complimentary. He was also obviou

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No mystery there.

Look at his background and the people who raised him.

He's an apple that didn't fall far from the tree.

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He seemed OK and not any better or worse than Trump.   All Presidents of late seem cool with kicking major issues down the road so they get re-elected or gain votes for their party.  Same in Europe and maybe we will just grow ourselves out of this financial mess that has never created any major issues the last 15 years.  Weird how debt doesn't matter anymore but still think there will be huge consequences but also not sure as I have been in the past.

 

Life is good and it has been for decades for me at least and for most the world vs 50 years ago.

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5 minutes ago, atpeace said:

He seemed OK and not any better or worse than Trump.   All Presidents of late seem cool with kicking major issues down the road so they get re-elected or gain votes for their party.  Same in Europe and maybe we will just grow ourselves out of this financial mess that has never created any major issues the last 15 years.  Weird how debt doesn't matter anymore but still think there will be huge consequences but also not sure as I have been in the past.

 

Life is good and it has been for decades for me at least and for most the world vs 50 years ago.

Thailand constructed a better healthcare system than obama did.

 

americans go to thailand to afford healthcare because of obama, even though living in thailand means theres higher chance they will need to go to the hospital

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Hard to argue that Obama Care wasn't  a failure.  In his defense it wasn't what he wanted and he compromised to get the plan approved by congress.  It addresses none of the real issues, most importantly cost, and simply created a very expensive means to get more insured.  In the end he put his stamp of approval on it and therefore he is to blame.  At least he tried 🙂

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I listened to his speech to the British Houses of Parliament in Westminster Hall during his State Visit to the UK in May 2011.

 

He was witty, generous, and complimentary. He was also obviously very proud of the United States.

 

You dont need to abuse other nations or their leaders, their traditions or histories, in order to demonstrate pride in or loyalty to your own.

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7 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Hard to argue that Obama Care wasn't  a failure.  In his defense it wasn't what he wanted and he compromised to get the plan approved by congress.  It addresses none of the real issues, most importantly cost, and simply created a very expensive means to get more insured.  In the end he put his stamp of approval on it and therefore he is to blame.  At least he tried 🙂

Obamacare was a disaster. Third world countries did a better job of it than he did

3 minutes ago, JAG said:

I listened to his speech to the British Houses of Parliament in Westminster Hall during his State Visit to the UK in May 2011.

 

He was witty, generous, and complimentary. He was also obviously very proud of the United States.

 

You dont need to abuse other nations or their leaders, their traditions or histories, in order to demonstrate pride in or loyalty to your own.

Time and place for everything.  I would rather have an authentic President that is insulting rather than a fake that is witty. I liked Obama but in the end he accomplished little IMO.  People did like him though...

2 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Obamacare was a disaster. Third world countries did a better job of it than he did

Third world countries have few gatekeepers.  Advanced societies create more and more gatekeepers as they grow and eventually this is their downfall. THe gatekeepers made it extremely difficult on Obama and he failed with Obamacare.

 

It was easy for Thailand. Pass legislation that does insure the poor.  Seems fare and no gatekeepers to make it nearly impossible to do so.   

3 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

Rediculous question.

Ridiculous

9 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Time and place for everything.  I would rather have an authentic President that is insulting rather than a fake that is witty. I liked Obama but in the end he accomplished little IMO.  People did like him though...

Obama was a gas bag. Huff and puff about climate. Total disappointment. Spoke well but a flog.

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1 hour ago, angryguy said:

Patriotism and love for country seemed to have been lost during his terms because he didnt seem to be proud to be an American himself wouldnt you agree?

 

No I don't agree at all. Please share some solid reasons for your statement.

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21 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Thailand constructed a better healthcare system than obama did.

 

americans go to thailand to afford healthcare because of obama, even though living in thailand means theres higher chance they will need to go to the hospital

What are you on about? Obamacare on a total cost per capita basis actually actually comes to slightly less than the total cost of insurance offered by employers.

https://www.kff.org/health-costs/how-aca-marketplace-costs-compare-to-employer-sponsored-health-insurance/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

And before Obamacare was lunched, what country had the highest medical costs per capita in the world? 

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https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/health-expenditure-and-financing-per-capita?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

 

 

1 hour ago, angryguy said:

Patriotism and love for country seemed to have been lost during his terms because he didnt seem to be proud to be an American himself wouldnt you agree?

 

I agree. But I'm also revising my opinion to be much lower of George W. 

26 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Obamacare was a disaster. Third world countries did a better job of it than he did

I give Obama credit for nothing. He and his partner hated America and it showed - still does. But the Thai healthcare system appearing to work better than western nations is probably largely to do with minimum wages being a tiny fraction here of what they are in the west.

If Obama has one lesson for us, it is do not elect a President based on DEI no matter how smooth his public speaking is.

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20 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Third world countries have few gatekeepers.  Advanced societies create more and more gatekeepers as they grow and eventually this is their downfall. THe gatekeepers made it extremely difficult on Obama and he failed with Obamacare.

 

It was easy for Thailand. Pass legislation that does insure the poor.  Seems fare and no gatekeepers to make it nearly impossible to do so.   

What do you mean by failure? The rate of the uninsured dropped from 16.3% just before the advent of Obamacare to 8% now.

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You really need to get over a black man in the White House.

 

It’s been how long already?!

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4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You really need to get over a black man in the White House.

 

It’s been how long already?!

I think you're being very unfair to angryguy, He has cited the highly respected he-didn't-seem-proud-to-be-an-American index. You got a problem with that?

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He was a con artist masquerading as a president.

He had no qualifications for the job.

Without the influential moneymen who backed him, he would have remained a community organizer on the South Side with a few side hustles.

Nothing more than that.

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34 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Obamacare was a disaster. Third world countries did a better job of it than he did

Obamacare was a compromise because Republicans refused to consider a "direct pay" insurance system which would have cut the health insurance industry out of the picture. (The health insurance industry gobbles up a huge percentage of premiums for overhead and corporate profit.) Most flaws in Obamacare can be attributed to the fact that it's not a universal program which is what the original goal was, and the fact that it was ditched should be laid squarely at the feet of the Republican party. 

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He did it on purpose.

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2 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

Obamacare was a compromise because Republicans refused to consider a "direct pay" insurance system which would have cut the health insurance industry out of the picture. (The health insurance industry gobbles up a huge percentage of premiums for overhead and corporate profit.) Most flaws in Obamacare can be attributed to the fact that it's not a universal program which is what the original goal was, and the fact that it was ditched should be laid squarely at the feet of the Republican party. 

There was a proposal to make younger Americans eligible for Medicare but Joe Lieberman, the Dino senator from Connecticut, voted against it. Oddly enough, his wife had a high paying job working for a health insurer. There are later proposals as well.

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1 hour ago, angryguy said:

Patriotism and love for country seemed to have been lost during his terms because he didn't seem to be proud to be an American himself wouldn't you agree?

At the same time, there were no scandals, the economy performed well and he did not rack up any felonies. 

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Is this another thread to take the heat off the present leader.........🤔

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He whacked Bin Laden.

 

Double tapping a fishing boat comes nowhere close.

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That's the other galling thing about this wantonly racist (i.e., questioning his intelligence) Obama bashing:

 

Have you morons forgotten the disastrous condition of the economy he inherited from George Bush? Given the circumstances, Obama did a heroic job, and, contrary to right-wing propaganda, he worked tirelessly to unify the country across racial and socio-economic lines.

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