I'd go as far as calling them domb focks. 

quality tourists

On 12/24/2025 at 11:33 PM, georgegeorgia said:

The old guy will know next time to carry pepper spray 

illegal in Thailand genius.

Thai prisons are very very bad.

20 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Australia?

brothers

Surely the drug issue around thailand needs addressing. 

On 12/25/2025 at 11:22 AM, Gecko123 said:

Looks like they're ballroom dancing in this shot.

 

Nice clothing, a while back you were not allowed to walk around shirtless, now anything goes

12 hours ago, kiwikeith said:

Nice clothing, a while back you were not allowed to walk around shirtless, now anything goes

Like trying to herd cats I expect. 

On 12/26/2025 at 11:49 PM, DonniePeverley said:

Surely the drug issue around thailand needs addressing. 

If you are referring to cannabis, too much money in it.  They'll create the appearance of clamping down on it, but cannabis will still be freely available.  The money goes all the way to the top.

On 12/25/2025 at 10:05 AM, grain said:

What's all the agro about these days? I'm an old geezer now but decades ago when I came to Pattaya I felt like the king of the castle and I was as happy as could be sitting in a bar with a cutie on my knee, and banging away all night long. Getting agro and fighting were the furtherest things from my mind, and everyone else around me was in the same frame of mind back then. I can't recall ever seeing punchups back in the 70s,80s,90s.

Because no-one had mobile phones to record the fights then.  

12 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

If you are referring to cannabis, too much money in it.  They'll create the appearance of clamping down on it, but cannabis will still be freely available.  The money goes all the way to the top.

 

 

Not Cannabis. I am now freely shocked just how much 'other hardcore drugs' are now just easily available in Thailand. Back 10-15 years ago you'd be a fool to go anywhere near that world in Thailand, But i am seeing now a younger generation of visitor (and Thais) just being open with it. 

 

Something has gone very wrong here. There are people making millions. But the cost to Thai society will be huge. 

 

It's heading down the path of Phillppines. 

6 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

Not Cannabis. I am now freely shocked just how much 'other hardcore drugs' are now just easily available in Thailand. Back 10-15 years ago you'd be a fool to go anywhere near that world in Thailand, But i am seeing now a younger generation of visitor (and Thais) just being open with it. 

 

Something has gone very wrong here. There are people making millions. But the cost to Thai society will be huge. 

 

It's heading down the path of Phillppines. 

Most of it comes from China and Myanmar, who basically have State run "kitchens" to cook it up on a commercial scale.  

 

Thailand, with around 35 million tourists each year, is a big market for importation, distribution, and dealing. 

 

I agree with you, Thailand is not the place to use these harder drugs.  Penalties are harsher, and "the time" is harder in prison, yet, availability and affordability means many can not say no. 

 

Many members blame the bizarre behaviour of some tourists on the legalization of cannabis, and there would be some instances of that, but I would say meth causes most of it.   

10 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Most of it comes from China and Myanmar, who basically have State run "kitchens" to cook it up on a commercial scale.  

 

Thailand, with around 35 million tourists each year, is a big market for importation, distribution, and dealing. 

 

I agree with you, Thailand is not the place to use these harder drugs.  Penalties are harsher, and "the time" is harder in prison, yet, availability and affordability means many can not say no. 

 

Many members blame the bizarre behaviour of some tourists on the legalization of cannabis, and there would be some instances of that, but I would say meth causes most of it.   

Dubai and Singapore have far wealthy tourists visiting. Yet the countries remain drug free by and large.

Since the elections a few years ago - there seems to have been a free for all on everything, including drugs.

Trust me on this, society will degrade, we will see rampant crime in the coming years if they don't get a grip.

But as we know there are people making millions and billions out of this.

5 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

Trust me on this, society will degrade, we will see rampant crime in the coming years if they don't get a grip.

I must agree I fear it too....... degradation is very evident in Europe and Western countries and they had better established crime prevention systems.

On 12/29/2025 at 7:43 PM, KhunHeineken said:

If you are referring to cannabis, too much money in it.  They'll create the appearance of clamping down on it, but cannabis will still be freely available.  The money goes all the way to the top.

That's what I think, I don't mind a few having a toke, medical mary is available in NZ you have to go to a proper clinic and they're not really visible and only a few In each city ,you would have to ask your Dr to get some and find the location.

What has happened in Thailand is the shop on every corner is attracting hooligans who get drunk and stoned and start fighting everywhere now, few days ago 3 Manchester lads in a bar tried to start a fight with knives the day after they arrived in Hua hin, they were drunk and stoned and bragging about it.

They began threatening anyone saying we will cut you up.

The owner told them that he would call the police and that they can't act like this in Thailand, this was in a peaceful restaurant bar that local and tourists come to, it's never had trouble until these idiots rented a villa across the road.

Dope shops all over Thailand is wrecking the place.

On 12/25/2025 at 2:47 PM, johng said:

 

They've got womanly breasts under pale mauve vests
Shoes like dead pigs' noses
Cornflake packet jacket, catalogue trousers
A mouth what never closes

😋   Oi!  Oi!

There "Blockheads" and they hide in the Laundry Baskets

On 12/31/2025 at 6:42 AM, jacko45k said:

better established crime prevention systems.

On 12/31/2025 at 1:03 AM, kiwikeith said:

That's what I think, I don't mind a few having a toke, medical mary is available in NZ you have to go to a proper clinic and they're not really visible and only a few In each city ,you would have to ask your Dr to get some and find the location.

What has happened in Thailand is the shop on every corner is attracting hooligans who get drunk and stoned and start fighting everywhere now, few days ago 3 Manchester lads in a bar tried to start a fight with knives the day after they arrived in Hua hin, they were drunk and stoned and bragging about it.

They began threatening anyone saying we will cut you up.

The owner told them that he would call the police and that they can't act like this in Thailand, this was in a peaceful restaurant bar that local and tourists come to, it's never had trouble until these idiots rented a villa across the road.

Dope shops all over Thailand is wrecking the place.

Interesting you chose to ignore the antisocial behavior alcohol causes.

Yes, dope shops are everywhere, but look at all the venues that sell alcohol. There would have to be over 1000 venues in Pattaya.

Alcohol is a mind altering drug. It causes some people to become violent, and some people to fall asleep, and everything in between.

You point to the behavior of three young Brits, but if you look at this forum's various news sections, you will see alcohol has played a part in many headlines. Everything from assaults, to fatal car accidents.

When dope was legalized, I had a picture in my mind of small shops with minimal signage, for retail only. The drug would be consumed on one's balcony before chilling out, or or heading out. As we can see, many are large shops offering a "cafe" experience where the drug is consumed on premises, and they are open late. Purchase and usage is in full view of the public. Not even blacked out doors / windows.

It's true, mixing alcohol with cannabis can cause a severe reaction is some users, but not all. This cocktail of drugs has lead to many violent crimes.

The Thai's are making a lot of money out of cannabis. Picture all the dope shops closed tomorrow. All those empty commercial buildings. It would look like post covid.

The one big benefit is it has cut out police corruption around cannabis.

On 12/30/2025 at 5:58 PM, DonniePeverley said:

Dubai and Singapore have far wealthy tourists visiting. Yet the countries remain drug free by and large.

Not as corrupt as Thailand.

On 12/30/2025 at 5:58 PM, DonniePeverley said:

Since the elections a few years ago - there seems to have been a free for all on everything, including drugs.

No, not all drugs, just cannabis and alcohol.

On 12/30/2025 at 5:58 PM, DonniePeverley said:

Trust me on this, society will degrade, we will see rampant crime in the coming years if they don't get a grip.

When it comes to drugs, crime is usually related to the street price. Oversupply means cheaper prices on the street, which means less crime. Have a few big drugs busts, supply is effected, whilst the demand is still there, so the street price goes up, and so does the crime from those who now need more money to buy.

This is why I laugh when police parade a big drug bust on the news. A lot people have the attitude the bust has made the streets a safer place, when it's actually the opposite. 🙂

On 12/30/2025 at 5:58 PM, DonniePeverley said:

But as we know there are people making millions and billions out of this.

Correct.

History shows prohibition has not worked for anything. The war on drugs a complete failure.

It's about time governments all around the world start viewing drug addiction as a medical issue and not a policing issue.

On 1/4/2026 at 9:25 AM, KhunHeineken said:

Not as corrupt as Thailand.

No, not all drugs, just cannabis and alcohol.

When it comes to drugs, crime is usually related to the street price. Oversupply means cheaper prices on the street, which means less crime. Have a few big drugs busts, supply is effected, whilst the demand is still there, so the street price goes up, and so does the crime from those who now need more money to buy.

This is why I laugh when police parade a big drug bust on the news. A lot people have the attitude the bust has made the streets a safer place, when it's actually the opposite. 🙂

Correct.

History shows prohibition has not worked for anything. The war on drugs a complete failure.

It's about time governments all around the world start viewing drug addiction as a medical issue and not a policing issue.

So you just want Heroin, Fentalyn etc to be around everywhere?

And there are some states where it is controlled very well.

On 1/4/2026 at 9:04 AM, KhunHeineken said:

Interesting you chose to ignore the antisocial behavior alcohol causes.

Yes, dope shops are everywhere, but look at all the venues that sell alcohol. There would have to be over 1000 venues in Pattaya.

Alcohol is a mind altering drug. It causes some people to become violent, and some people to fall asleep, and everything in between.

You point to the behavior of three young Brits, but if you look at this forum's various news sections, you will see alcohol has played a part in many headlines. Everything from assaults, to fatal car accidents.

When dope was legalized, I had a picture in my mind of small shops with minimal signage, for retail only. The drug would be consumed on one's balcony before chilling out, or or heading out. As we can see, many are large shops offering a "cafe" experience where the drug is consumed on premises, and they are open late. Purchase and usage is in full view of the public. Not even blacked out doors / windows.

It's true, mixing alcohol with cannabis can cause a severe reaction is some users, but not all. This cocktail of drugs has lead to many violent crimes.

The Thai's are making a lot of money out of cannabis. Picture all the dope shops closed tomorrow. All those empty commercial buildings. It would look like post covid.

The one big benefit is it has cut out police corruption around cannabis.

Alcohol on the day causes more destruction in some people. But long term effects from strong Cannabis does mess people up mentally, especially during withdrawel times - i've seen some guys totally lose it in rage.

It's not an innocent drug as it's made out to be. Furthermore, drinking alcohol does not have the user blowing smoke out around other non smoking tourists. I'm sick to the death of Benidorm Brits blazing a big fat one around the beach acting like they discovered the Matrix, whilst other tourists and children sit nearby who don't want that smell around them.

4 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

So you just want Heroin, Fentalyn etc to be around everywhere?

And there are some states where it is controlled very well.

I don't fear weed and a few drugs like that (maybe cocaine) being easily available, but we need to have confidence what is in the supply. Some drugs that are slipped in are highly addictive and dangerous and create more crime. I don't think things would head in a good way if generally drugs were easily available and cheap. We have slid down a dark path since they became simply 'available'. They just bring about too much crime and misery.

As usual people bring up alcohol, which is simply deflection and irrelevant.

On 1/4/2026 at 4:04 PM, KhunHeineken said:

Interesting you chose to ignore the antisocial behavior alcohol causes.

Yes, dope shops are everywhere, but look at all the venues that sell alcohol. There would have to be over 1000 venues in Pattaya.

Alcohol is a mind altering drug. It causes some people to become violent, and some people to fall asleep, and everything in between.

You point to the behavior of three young Brits, but if you look at this forum's various news sections, you will see alcohol has played a part in many headlines. Everything from assaults, to fatal car accidents.

When dope was legalized, I had a picture in my mind of small shops with minimal signage, for retail only. The drug would be consumed on one's balcony before chilling out, or or heading out. As we can see, many are large shops offering a "cafe" experience where the drug is consumed on premises, and they are open late. Purchase and usage is in full view of the public. Not even blacked out doors / windows.

It's true, mixing alcohol with cannabis can cause a severe reaction is some users, but not all. This cocktail of drugs has lead to many violent crimes.

The Thai's are making a lot of money out of cannabis. Picture all the dope shops closed tomorrow. All those empty commercial buildings. It would look like post covid.

The one big benefit is it has cut out police corruption around cannabis.

I did not ignore the alcohol, I said drunk and stoned, cops don't test shops for THC which is supposed to be controlled and isn't.

Cops are still turning a blind eye to many things, there is far more meth and coke and dangerous drugs cut with fentanol, and more hooligans and fighting than I've ever seen in over 20 years here.

12 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

So you just want Heroin, Fentalyn etc to be around everywhere?

I want it supplied to registered addicts by government run clinics where the quality and purity can be guaranteed, and where rehabilitation can be offered.

I want the addicts to shoot up in a safe injecting room attached to the clinic.

If the above was policy, there goes the crime attached to the drugs, including trafficking and dealing, and there goes the overdose deaths.

Once again, treated as a medical problem and not a policing problem. It's obvious the war on drugs was / is a complete failure.

You are given big does of morphine for things like cancer. Here, you are given the drug you will rob for and buy on the street anyway, and you will administer it to yourself in a safe environment.

12 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

And there are some states where it is controlled very well.

I'm talking about countries.

Prohibition hasn't worked. Time to try a new strategy.

12 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

Alcohol on the day causes more destruction in some people. But long term effects from strong Cannabis does mess people up mentally, especially during withdrawel times - i've seen some guys totally lose it in rage.

Perhaps I should clarify my position on the issue.

I don't care if a guy drinks three big bottles of whiskey a day if he doesn't pose a thread to anyone else or causes a disturbance.

Sure, he'll go to an early grave, but that's his choice.

Same with cannabis.

12 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

It's not an innocent drug as it's made out to be.

I never said it was.

Some very heinous crimes have been committed by people on a cocktail of alcohol and cannabis.

12 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

Furthermore, drinking alcohol does not have the user blowing smoke out around other non smoking tourists.

Sure, but ever been in a bar where a drunk has vomited on the floor?

12 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

I'm sick to the death of Benidorm Brits blazing a big fat one around the beach acting like they discovered the Matrix, whilst other tourists and children sit nearby who don't want that smell around them.

No argument from me. I can stand the smell either.

That's why I said the weed shops should be closed in, like gentlemen's clubs, and the weed administered either at the point of sale in the shop, or in a private area. Eg. one's residence. Possession in a public place is fine, just not administering it. (smoking it) A public place includes a street, the beach, a car park etc.

8 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Some drugs that are slipped in are highly addictive and dangerous and create more crime.

Can you clarify the crime you are talking about?

Is that crime in order to be able to purchase the drugs, or crime committed whilst high on the drugs, or both?

8 hours ago, jacko45k said:

They just bring about too much crime and misery.

What crime and misery has the availability of cannabis here brought about? Any examples?

8 hours ago, jacko45k said:

As usual people bring up alcohol, which is simply deflection and irrelevant.

I couldn't disagree more.

No deflection in 3000 drunk drivers in a few days. That poses a very real threat to innocent road users.

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/nearly-3000-drunk-driving-cases-recorded-new-year-crackdown

"Thailand’s probation authorities have reported nearly 3,000 drunk driving cases over a five-day period during the New Year holiday crackdown, with 3 provinces recording the highest numbers."

What about alcohol and domestic violence, in all countries? "Deflection and irrelevant" - BS.

5 hours ago, kiwikeith said:

there is far more meth and coke and dangerous drugs cut with fentanol, and more hooligans and fighting than I've ever seen in over 20 years here.

Could it be that the younger, self entitled, and more affluent next generation actively seek it out?

Dangerous drugs have been available, and affordable, in Thailand for decades. Why do you think you are seeing more crime and anti social behavior now? It can't all be about legalizing cannabis.

15 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Can you clarify the crime you are talking about?

Is that crime in order to be able to purchase the drugs, or crime committed whilst high on the drugs, or both?

What crime and misery has the availability of cannabis here brought about? Any examples?

I couldn't disagree more.

No deflection in 3000 drunk drivers in a few days. That poses a very real threat to innocent road users.

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/nearly-3000-drunk-driving-cases-recorded-new-year-crackdown

"Thailand’s probation authorities have reported nearly 3,000 drunk driving cases over a five-day period during the New Year holiday crackdown, with 3 provinces recording the highest numbers."

What about alcohol and domestic violence, in all countries? "Deflection and irrelevant" - BS.

Moreso petty thievery to help with obtaining more drugs, addicts will do anything.

General thievery, shoplifting, muggings etc. Ooops there goes another phone or e-bike.

They are minimal, as I said I am less concerned about cannabis, moreso the harder drugs.

Disagree all you want, but pointing elsewhere is a ''it was him ' argument. We can look at alcohol to say this is what can happen with other addictive drugs. But it is socially ingrained now.

9 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Moreso petty thievery to help with obtaining more drugs, addicts will do anything.

General thievery, shoplifting, muggings etc. Ooops there goes another phone or e-bike.

No argument from me. I mentioned how the street price (supply and demand) has an impact on the crime rate.

You don't see the stock market trader, or lawyer, mugging people to buy a few lines on a Friday after work. Why, because they can afford their habit.

9 hours ago, jacko45k said:

They are minimal, as I said I am less concerned about cannabis, moreso the harder drugs.

So, you are concerned about being robbed by an addict so they can go and buy more drugs. Is that correct?

Other members of this forum are more concerned with sitting next to a guy who is on drugs, and who has an "episode" and becomes violent.

This is why I asked you to clarify.

9 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Disagree all you want, but pointing elsewhere is a ''it was him ' argument. We can look at alcohol to say this is what can happen with other addictive drugs. But it is socially ingrained now.

I'm not disagreeing. I'm simply point out stats that show alcohol, do to its consumption by a much larger demographic, is responsible for more crime, as in, whilst they are under the influence. Eg. 3000 drink drivers just last week in Thailand, and don't forget, they are only the one's they caught.

Robbing people to buy a bottle of Lao Khao is not common in Thailandm that's because it's so cheap.

So, are you more at risk of being robbed by a drug addict, or being wiped out by a drink driver here? I know which one I am more concerned about.

14 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

I'm not disagreeing.

On 1/6/2026 at 1:47 PM, KhunHeineken said:

I couldn't disagree more.

Make your mind up!

On 1/7/2026 at 10:15 PM, jacko45k said:

Make your mind up!

Two different posts. 😂