=And tens of millions of people are defending that saying it's okay, just like it was okay to kidnap Maduro, yet pardon an ex president convicted of aiding drug smugglers, and just like it was okay to storm the capital.

3 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

During the 20 years that Clinton, Obama and Biden were in office I was continually critical of their policies. Just look back at some of my posts when Obama and Biden were in power. I was not a big fan of Obama for many of the years that he was president and my posts reflect that. As a centrist democrat I criticized a lot of his policies.

I see so little of that coming from Republicans these days, to point where their absolute fealty is actually quite frightening. Most just can't handle critique of Trump, they immediately clam up, get defensive and start making it personal. Instead of behaving like rational intellectuals and debating policy they just start throwing out nonsense, accusations that I've never criticized my own party, or that I get paid to be critical of Trump. That is not only ridiculous, it is inane. I wish somebody would offer to pay me to criticize Trump. I would spend my whole day doing it.

Criticism and open mindedness is what independent thinkers engage in, and it sets them apart from dogmatic subjects of a wannabe king. I invite you to reflect on that for just a moment.

With many people, once they got attached to a theory, it was hard to get them detached. They’d screen out unhelpful facts, invent favorable ones, and ignore contradictions in their own claims. Look at those Sandy Hook, multiple fraud convictions, and Jan. 6th truthers, babbling about false flags and crisis actors and all the rest. When people were motivated enough to believe something, they were going to believe it no matter what. There was no such thing as a bridge too far.

What are a few of Clinton, Obama and Biden's policies were you critical of?

Do you support deporting illegal aliens?

Do you support eliminating DEI?

Do you support closing the border?

Do you support getting men out of girls' showers and sports?

7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

You left the part out about him being a government sanctioned cold-blooded murderer, who is defended by a fabulously corrupt and toxic president and the lying director of the Department of Homeland Security.

I did.

I am remiss.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s his wife and kids I feel sorry for.

He’s obviously got women issues.

She needs to get out while she can, and preferably while there’s still some equity left in their marriage.

I agree,

But wait, wasn't it the lesbian burning their kid with cigarettes.

They sound like fine women.

28 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I agree,

But wait, wasn't it the lesbian burning their kid with cigarettes.

They sound like fine women.

Why no link?

42 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

What impact does using a phone to record video footage have on the killer’s situational awareness?

Enough to be subject to big fines while using one in traffic.

49 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why no link?

Forum crashed, but here it is now

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/renee-nicole-good-child-abuse-custody-was-minneapolis-ice-shooting-victims-partner-rebecca-arrested-heres-the-truth-101767982414269.html

"Child abuse and custody claims

Now, several unsubstantiated social media claims about Rebecca have emerged. X users posted about Rebecca being arrested for child abuse - putting cigarettes out on their three children.

“Did you know that Renee Good’s lesbian girlfriend was arrested for putting cigarettes out on the kids and charged with domestic abuse? Yeah, it gets worse by the minute. These are horrible people. Domestic Terrorist and a child abuser!” one person wrote on X, platform formerly known as Twitter."

Anyone else wonder where the Proud Boys, the Oath Keepers, the Booger Boys and other human dross groups are now?

I have a pretty good idea.......

The picture says it all.

Just now, howlee101 said:

The picture says it all.

Really? And what, exactly, is that?

3 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Really? And what, exactly, is that?

Radicalization

2 minutes ago, howlee101 said:

Radicalization

Where a normal person sees a haircut, a MAGA pearl clutcher sees "radicalization"!

44 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Forum crashed, but here it is now

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/renee-nicole-good-child-abuse-custody-was-minneapolis-ice-shooting-victims-partner-rebecca-arrested-heres-the-truth-101767982414269.html

"Child abuse and custody claims

Now, several unsubstantiated social media claims about Rebecca have emerged. X users posted about Rebecca being arrested for child abuse - putting cigarettes out on their three children.

“Did you know that Renee Good’s lesbian girlfriend was arrested for putting cigarettes out on the kids and charged with domestic abuse? Yeah, it gets worse by the minute. These are horrible people. Domestic Terrorist and a child abuser!” one person wrote on X, platform formerly known as Twitter."

Utter hogwash.

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Are you sure you know which thread you are posting in?

Yes.

8 hours ago, Dan O said:

Can find one can ? Just fyi the ice officer pulled his gun before that car started to move and he had a clear path to move away which he did as he shot

Oh so you've seen it then. Thought so.

Are you suggesting that its OK to drive a vehicle directly at enforcement officers as long as they have (in your opinion) a path to escape?

That's an interesting view. Perhaps you could try it in real life. Give them at least a 30cm gap to jump into and I'm sure you'll be fine.

Just show them your lgbt/ukraine/ Palestine/Venezuela flag if they object. You should be fine once they know you are on the right side of history.

Serious question.

Is the dog OK?

I hope it's not in the care of the whiney wife/husband that unsuccessfully tried to get into the car before Renee Good Fornuthin tried to kill the ICE agent with her car.

"You wanna come at us?" she whined while doing her best Cali Bro impression. Unwise words in retrospect.

13 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Oh so you've seen it then. Thought so.

Are you suggesting that its OK to drive a vehicle directly at enforcement officers as long as they have (in your opinion) a path to escape?

That's an interesting view. Perhaps you could try it in real life. Give them at least a 30cm gap to jump into and I'm sure you'll be fine.

Just show them your lgbt/ukraine/ Palestine/Venezuela flag if they object. You should be fine once they know you are on the right side of history.

The victim did not drive her car directly at anyone.

“Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle. Firearms may not be discharged from a moving vehicle except in exigent circumstances. In these situations, an officer must have an articulable reason for this use of deadly force.”

https://www.justice.gov/jm/1-16000-department-justice-policy-use-force#1-16.200

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The victim did not drive her car directly at anyone.

“Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle. Firearms may not be discharged from a moving vehicle except in exigent circumstances. In these situations, an officer must have an articulable reason for this use of deadly force.”

https://www.justice.gov/jm/1-16000-department-justice-policy-use-force#1-16.200

Slow motion shows the wheels spinning as they point directly at him.

Fortunately for him they spun on the ice.

It's reassuring to see another domestic terrorist foiled.

I feel for the child. I hope he is placed into the care of responsible adults this time.

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

=And tens of millions of people are defending that saying it's okay, just like it was okay to kidnap Maduro, yet pardon an ex president convicted of aiding drug smugglers, and just like it was okay to storm the capital.

What are a few of Clinton, Obama and Biden's policies were you critical of?

Do you support deporting illegal aliens?

Do you support eliminating DEI?

Do you support closing the border?

Do you support getting men out of girls' showers and sports?

The desperate plea to whataboutary

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Slow motion shows the wheels spinning as they point directly at him.

Fortunately for him they spun on the ice.

It's reassuring to see another domestic terrorist foiled.

I feel for the child. I hope he is placed into the care of responsible adults this time.

Neither the killer nor anyone else was in danger of being hit by the departing vehicle when he shot his victim in the face.

He then proceeded to shoot her two more times followed by foul language abuse.

He was not in danger.

Cold blooded murder recorded on multiple videos.

He even recorded video footage himself that demonstrates his victim was not being aggressive and was in fact calm and conciliatory towards her killer.

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Slow motion shows the wheels spinning as they point directly at him.

Fortunately for him they spun on the ice.

It's reassuring to see another domestic terrorist foiled.

I feel for the child. I hope he is placed into the care of responsible adults this time.

The wheels pointed to the right of the officer when moving away, and the car continued on that trajectory after the driver was shot dead.

If she had aimed straight at the officer, the car would have continued straight on.

1 hour ago, BLMFem said:

Really? And what, exactly, is that?

The mind virus got her. Sad but common.

I hope the child can be taken care of by the grandparents in a stable normal environment then at least something positive can come of all this.

I really hope the dog is OK as well it didn't deserve to be placed in danger by such an irresponsible owner.

1 minute ago, bannork said:

The wheels pointed to the right of the officer when moving away, and the car continued on that trajectory after the driver was shot dead.

If she had aimed straight at the officer, the car would have continued straight on.

The killer had plenty of time to step out of the way of the vehicle, and did exactly that.

Then shot his victim in the face.

Cold blooded murder.

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Neither the killer nor anyone else was in danger of being hit by the departing vehicle when he shot his victim in the face.

He then proceeded to shoot her two more times followed by foul language abuse.

He was not in danger.

Cold blooded murder recorded on multiple videos.

He even recorded video footage himself that demonstrates his victim was not being aggressive and was in fact calm and conciliatory towards her killer.

He did a good job saving his own life and eliminating the threat of the domestic terrorist before she put any other lives in danger.

It will be interesting to see what the federal investigation finds.

he New York Times reports President Donald Trump’s federal agents are forcing local law enforcement officers to reckon with the prospect of treating U.S. government authorities as adversaries.

“It’s breaking down not only, obviously, on the immigration side, but to the point where the [U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement] brand becomes so toxic that the state and locals don’t feel like they can cooperate even on the things where there would be widespread public support,” said John Sandweg, who served as acting director for ICE during former President Barack Obama's administration, “My answer is, we all lose.”

A representative of Minneapolis Police talks to the people gathering at a makeshift memorial in Minneapolis, Minnesota, U.S., January 9, 2026. REUTERS/Tim Evans© provided by AlterNet

After this week's killing of Renee Good, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey ordered ICE to leave the city, claiming the agency was harming his constituents and threatening public safety. The Times reports in Philadelphia, district attorney Larry Krasner has warned ICE agents who intended to commit crimes to “get the eff out of here” or be prosecuted. California Gov. Gavin Newsom, meanwhile, has slammed Trump’s “masked men snatching people in broad daylight,” and he characterized military operations in U.S. cities as “an assault on our values.”

Local cops view Trump's federal agents as 'toxic': Former ICE chief

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

He even recorded video footage himself that demonstrates his victim was not being aggressive and was in fact calm and conciliatory towards her killer.

She was mocking him before she tried to run him over.

Well done to the agent for saving himself and potentially others that she disagreed with.

Domestic terrorist attacks need to be dealt with strongly.

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

She was mocking him before she tried to run him over.

Well done to the agent for saving himself and potentially others that she disagreed with.

Domestic terrorist attacks need to be dealt with strongly.

No Jonny, she was not mocking him and she didn’t try to run him over.

The officer hasn’t saved himself.

He’s committed cold blooded murder in view of multiple witnesses and multiple video cameras.

His vile cursing of his victim after having shot her in the face is in stark contrast to her conciliatory words that he himself recorded on video.

Now he needs to hope for a pardon from Trump so as to avoid Federal prosecution…. Oh but then Minnesota has jurisdiction to bring its own case.

He might prefer a Federal prison to being locked up in a State Penitentiary, especially one with a population of immigrant inmates.

His life as he knew it is over.

I hope for her and her children’s sake his wife gets herself and their kids away from this woman killer.

If she’s any sense she’ll divorce him while there’s still some equity left in their marriage, his legal bills are going to impoverish him; no need for her and their kids to suffer too.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

She was mocking him before she tried to run him over.

Well done to the agent for saving himself and potentially others that she disagreed with.

Domestic terrorist attacks need to be dealt with strongly.

Law enforcement officers in any civilised country are trained to not respond to taunts or mocking.

This idiot couldn't handle some very mild banter. He had no place being in uniform.

Plus his swearing, along with his colleague . The language of gutter 'cops'.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

He did a good job saving his own life and eliminating the threat of the domestic terrorist before she put any other lives in danger.

It will be interesting to see what the federal investigation finds.

I'm sure State Law Enforcement Investigators will be helpful as well..........

Second time in two weeks I've agreed with Tucker. Plus Marjorie recently.

Surely I'm not going Make America Glum Again?....

Tucker Carlson lambasted his fellow members of the right this week over their response to an ICE agent fatally shooting a woman in Minneapolis, accusing them of trying to score “political points” and failing to see Renee Good’s death “through a human lens.”

“The 37-year-old was an American citizen and reportedly the mother of a kindergarten-aged child. Did we disagree with her views on immigration? Probably. But that shouldn’t matter,” a recent edition of Carlson’s newsletter read. “Her death is a tragedy, regardless of her partisan affiliations, ideological beliefs, or who pulled the trigger. A woman got shot in the face.”

Carlson’s nonpartisan tone surprised some on the left, including former Obama administration official and podcaster Jon Favreau.

“Somehow, Tucker Carlson had a far more humane reaction to Good's death than JD Vance,” Favreau wrote on X.

Tucker Carlson slams conservatives for response to Minnesota shooting

The local DA and Minnesota AG have opened a murder investigation.

They have a track record of putting LEO’s who commit murder behind bars for life.

Democrat County, Democrat State, Democrat DA, Democrat AG, statistically probability of Democrat Grand Jury, Democrat Judge and Democrat Jury.

The killer’s life as he has known it is over.

He’s about to find out there’s absolutely nothing at all Trump, the Trump DOJ, the Trump FBI and his fellow goons at ICE can do about what’s going to happen to him.