41 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I hadn't thought about it until you started going on about how great this poor woman's death would be for the left in the midterms.

Idiotic statement but thats how you do things when you have no facts. Pathetic.

41 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Your posting stupid $hit because you dont know better. The lady told them she was leaving and already turned her wheels away from the ice agent. He pulled his gun before she was moving forward and he leaned over the hood to shoot her. Check the law. He had no authority to stop, detain or pull his weapon. Hes not police. Learn to read and check the laws

He leaned over the hood because she smashed him in the stomach with the bonnet/hood of her car.

Her wheels were pointed left when she started accelerating. They span. The ice saved him.

She tried to kill him. At least maim him. I guess it would get clout with her antifa mates while her whiney wife filmed it.

Didn't end well for her.

Good to see the law finally upheld against these leftist thugs.

2 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Nope look again. He started to pull his weapon as she was turning the steering wheel. Completely unholstered before she moved and he leaned on the hood to shoot her. I guess your trump vision is still turned on.

Nope.

Due to the road conditions the wheels were clearly spinning from her pressing on the gas.

Her car may not have been moving forward due to the road conditions but she had pressed on the gas before the gun was drawn.

Nothing to do with politics as your cheap jab suggests.

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

From the person who cheered on the Algerian geezer smashing up women at the Olympic boxing. 😄

You're getting very close to incitement to violence.

I know you're mad the law is finally being applied to both sides but maybe try to calm down a bit. Your white Liberal woke hero got shot for trying to kill a federal agent with her car. She messed around and found out. Your side wasn't going to get away with it forever. What goes around comes around. Not a moment too soon.

Why would I cheer on any boxing event, I don’t regard boxing to be a sport, I don’t agree with it and I don’t watch it.

A simpler explanation of your accusation is you made it up.

There is absolutely nothing in any statement I have made that can be rationally construed as ‘inciting violence‘ while unlike you I certainly don’t have a love of seeing violence against women.

As I stated above, the local DA and Minnesota AG have opened a murder investigation, whatever made you think I’m made to see the law being applied - Renee Good’s killer is about to get some of it.

The rest of your mouth froth isn’t worth responding to.

Just now, Dan O said:

just your ignorance.

Grow up.

Ive stated the facts. There really isn't anything to debate with what I have stated.

Just now, blaze master said:

Nope.

Due to the road conditions the wheels were clearly spinning from her pressing on the gas.

Her car may not have been moving forward due to the road conditions but she had pressed on the gas before the gun was drawn.

Nothing to do with politics as your cheap jab suggests.

So the car wasn’t ‘accelerating’ to ‘ram’ anyone.

The agent had plenty of time to step to the side, he used it draw his weapon and shoot his victim in the face three times.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So the car wasn’t ‘accelerating’ to ‘ram’ anyone.

The agent had plenty of time to step to the side, he used it draw his weapon and shoot his victim in the face three times.

The accelerator had been pressed. The man was rammed.

4 minutes ago, blaze master said:

The accelerator had been pressed. The man was rammed.

Nonsense he wasn’t rammed.

He was for some reason busying himself recording a video on his phone, clearly not paying full attention to the events around him.

Handing over the video evidence he recorded against himself is an example of why he needs to get good legal representation.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nonsense he wasn’t rammed.

He was for some reason busying himself recording a video on his phone, clearly not paying full attention to the events around him.

Handing over the video evidence he recorded against himself is an example of why he needs to get good legal representation.

The man was hit rammed whatever you want to call it. He will not go to jail for what happened.

Before you froth off. Don't take my comment in any way as support or justification for what happened.

2 minutes ago, blaze master said:

The man was hit rammed whatever you want to call it. He will not go to jail for what happened.

Before you froth off. Don't take my comment in any way as support or justification for what happened.

Please do make your mind up:

28 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Nope.

Due to the road conditions the wheels were clearly spinning from her pressing on the gas.

Her car may not have been moving forward due to the road conditions but she had pressed on the gas before the gun was drawn.

Nothing to do with politics as your cheap jab suggests.

Cars that are not moving don’t ram.

We could see how injured the killer was while he was walking away from the scene. He visited a hospital as part of the cover-up.

17 minutes ago, blaze master said:

The accelerator had been pressed. The man was rammed.

He wasn't rammed. He should have stepped aside, sop. I guess he didn't because of a lack of training and no situational awareness due to being on his phone.

32 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

He leaned over the hood because she smashed him in the stomach with the bonnet/hood of her car.

Her wheels were pointed left when she started accelerating. They span. The ice saved him.

She tried to kill him. At least maim him. I guess it would get clout with her antifa mates while her whiney wife filmed it.

Didn't end well for her.

Good to see the law finally upheld against these leftist thugs.

You truly a drama queen. She was driving a Honda Pilot which is a mid-size saloon with a sluggish acceleration from start from 1-20 mph. At that speed, he can easily stepped aside and would not have the speed to kill him. Get real Johnny

29 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Grow up.

Ive stated the facts. There really isn't anything to debate with what I have stated.

Only that your providing misleading information not supported by video facts. Take the trump goggles off

Just now, stevenl said:

He wasn't rammed. He should have stepped aside, sop. I guess he didn't because of a lack of training and no situational awareness due to being on his phone.

Rammed hit whatever you want to call it. The woman driving in the car came in contact with the man. She hit him with her car. There is no debate about that fact. The severity of the contact can be debated and talked about as well.

Saying lack of training is just your own bias. As posted already on AN the man has extensive training and experience.

Saying he should have stepped aside is great hindsight. It all happened so fast.

1 minute ago, Dan O said:

Only that your providing misleading information not supported by video facts. Take the trump goggles off

Stop trying to bring politics into this. Everything i have stated is fact.

Fact 1. She pressed the accelerator before the firearm was drawn.

Fact 2. She did hit the officer with her honda.

2 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Saying he should have stepped aside is great hindsight.

No it’s DOJ standard instructions.

As you yourself have stated, the wheels were spinning, the car was not moving.

The killer had plenty of time to step asside.

16 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Why was he using his phone to video his victim?

ICE agents have been told to produce a lot of content for the ICE social media videos. There are new posts daily.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

No it’s DOJ standard instructions.

As you yourself have stated, the wheels were spinning, the car was not moving.

The killer had plenty of time to step asside.

The accelerator was pressed before the firearm was drawn.

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Cars that are not moving don’t ram.

Once they start moving they do. Like what happened in the video when she hit him with her Honda.

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2 hours ago, newnative said:

Just saw this on Facebook, posted by Adam Miller. I know it is long but well worth reading. It clearly lays out just what an ICE agent is, and what an ICE agent is NOT. It clearly lays out what an American's rights are regarding interaction with ICE agents. It clearly lays out the limited area ICE agents should be working under. It clearly lays out all the mistakes and rule violations the ICE agents made in the Good case. Worth your time to read, I think. Here it is:

"It is clear that US citizens' ignorance of federal laws and law enforcement duties, procedures, and limits of authority is getting to the point where it is deadly. I spent probably 3 hours watching and re-watching, and finding every single video and angle I could of the situation in Minnesota yesterday and came to one immovable conclusion based off of what I saw and what I know from a professional standpoint. This is long, but please give it a read.

"As a former officer, let me make something clear: ICE agents ARE NOT police officers, deputy sheriffs, or troopers. They are not local/state law enforcement. They are not federal criminal law enforcement. They have an INCREDIBLY limited scope of authority, and that scope of authority exists in detaining and arresting with probable cause and/or SIGNED WARRANTS those investigated and suspected of being in the US illegally.

"They cannot just pull anyone over for a traffic violation or because their car is in a place they don't want it. They have NO authority to pull people over for ANYTHING other than immigration enforcement- and even then that involves probable cause, such as a known vehicle of someone they have been tracking, or a warrant. On very rare occasions they have the legal authority to pull someone over if they are threatening the lives of others, but that was not happening in this case. They do not have the training nor the authority to pull ANYONE else over. They cannot arrest legal citizens. They cannot detain legal citizens without probable cause to believe they might not be legal. They have ZERO authority to be attempting to force entry into a vehicle- without even identifying themselves, without a warrant, without exigent circumstances such as a life being directly threatened- that is trying to drive down the street without probable cause in relation to IMMIGRATION ENFORCEMENT.

"This ENTIRE situation in Minnesota was outside of the scope of legal authority from the get go. None of it was done within the scope of authority of ICE. Every single behavior those agents made was procedurally incorrect, done without proper authority, and was based off of intimidation and the assumption that people do not understand the law and their rights in regards to interactions with ICE.

"On no planet should an officer, agent, or any human being ever step in front of a car in 'drive' that is actively trying to leave and use their body as a shield to prevent a person from LEGALLY LEAVING a situation in which they are not legally being detained. It takes maybe a week of any kind of actual law enforcement training to understand that under NO CIRCUMSTANCES do you ever place yourself in front of a vehicle in 'drive.' That agent had every single opportunity to simply take two steps to the right and not be standing directly in front of a vehicle attempting to conduct their legal right to drive away.

"You can see the wheels are turned, [Renee] backed up and turned them to the right, moved forward a bit to leave, couldn't because an agent was standing in front of her, and continued to try to leave by TURNING HER WHEELS TO THE RIGHT and moving forward. He continually chose to stand there and not allow her to legally leave as she had every single right to do.

The officer pulling on her door and banging on her window and swearing at her had ZERO authority to order her out of her vehicle or attempt to make entry into her vehicle. NONE. A single day of actual training of the legal scope of authority and the LAW would've prevented that from happening.

"You now have a frightened citizen being blockaded by immigration agents (with another person in her vehicle) who had zero obligation to follow legally invalid orders from that agent, being blocked in and having a fully grown, masked man attempting to make entry into her car. If this were reversed, every single person would immediately feel she had every reasonable expectation to fear for her safety. It doesn't matter if she knew it was ICE because the agents weren't even acting in their scope of authority anyway.

"Whether or not she made the right decision by very CLEARLY- based off of how hard her wheels were turned and how low and to the driver corner windshield that shot was fired- trying to drive to the left of that agent is IRRELEVANT in the picture as a whole.

None of this would have happened if those agents had done even one single thing correctly. Not just correctly, but within their legal scope of authority. Every single moment of that interaction was escalated by untrained, unprofessional, procedurally inept "agents" who not only had zero control of themselves but everything around them. And not because they are helpless, but because their actions that did not fall under their scope of power CAUSED this. Their tempers, lack of training, and the knowledge that they can get away with violating their own scope of authority caused this.

"I will always be the first to defend law enforcement when lethal force very clearly is required. But this was not even remotely the case, and as an actual TRAINED professional in that field with experience and understanding of both the law and procedures, there is no justification for this- and it would benefit EVERYONE to actually read up on the laws, scope of authority, and use a single shred of common sense to see that this situation was started, escalated, and caused by the ICE agents involved. I have zero respect for those in power who are ignorant of the scope of their authority and abuse it at the cost of lives around them."

Thank you for taking the time to re-post this. I think it goes to the very heart of the issue i.e. what was ICE's authority to even instigate the exchange (answer; they didn't have any) and was the shooting considered reasonable? From the DOJ's own website 'Officers may use force only when no reasonably effective, safe, and feasible alternative appears to exist and may use only the level of force that a reasonable officer on the scene would use under the same or similar circumstances' https://www.justice.gov/jm/1-16000-department-justice-policy-use-force. Couple this with 'most police departments and federal guidance bar shooting at a moving vehicle unless the driver poses an imminent threat of deadly force beyond the car itself.

The justification from the MAGA faithful is the ICE officer was in fear for his life but a 'reasonably effective, safe, and feasible alternative' would have been simply to move out of the way or not instigate the situation in the first place, especially if you have no legal authority to demand a car be moved and/or force someone out of a vehicle (both of which they tried). In no ones head (other than the MAGA faithful) can pumping 3 shots at an unarmed mother resulting in her death be ever seen as 'reasonable'.

Even if you don't agree with this, what you don't do is immediately come out with your 'verdict' (which Trump and his faithful have already done) before a full and frank investigation has taken place. This ICE officer needs his day in court and the GOP should be encouraging this rather than the (unsurprising) whitewashing it is currently conducting.

50 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Saying he should have stepped aside is great hindsight. It all happened so fast.

No, it's sop for law enforcement. The guy was former military. I doubt he had much LE training, happy to stand corrected.

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No, it's sop for law enforcement. The guy was former military. I doubt he had much LE training, happy to stand corrected.

He should not have even been there that day. A failure of the entire system. Nothing to do with politics as far as im concerned.

His resume.....

14 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The mind virus got her. Sad but common.

I hope the child can be taken care of by the grandparents in a stable normal environment then at least something positive can come of all this.

I really hope the dog is OK as well it didn't deserve to be placed in danger by such an irresponsible owner.

No, an Ultra MAGA POS killer got her. But don't let facts disturb your alternative reality.👍

13 minutes ago, blaze master said:

He should not have even been there that day. A failure of the entire system. Nothing to do with politics as far as im concerned.

His resume.....

Thanks

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

From the person who cheered on the Algerian geezer smashing up women at the Olympic boxing.

Whether someone may or may not agree with transgender participation in female sports is utterly irrelevant to this discussion. I happen to think that allowing biological men who pretend to be women to participate in female only sports at the elite level is crazy, which makes me a far right extremist in the eyes of many leftists. However, I also think that what we are discussing here is a straightforward case of deliberate murder. Can’t you see that you don’t have to have your thinking locked into a particular ideology, whether left or right? A rational person should be able to evaluate each issue on its merits.

3 hours ago, Dan O said:

Ice arent cops and have no authority for traffic stops or detention without a warrant. Check the laws

Cop had his gun drawn befire tve car was miving forward and the kady told ice she was keaving

ICE have the power to make arrests for violations of Federal Law. This woman was violating Federal law.

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You could try disputing the points I made rather than observing a perfectly natural emotional response to a mother being shot in the face three times.

Let’s hear your common sense arguments?

You used the term "cold blooded murder" earlier, which it clearly isn't. I responded and explained why it was not.

You have nothing.

38 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

ICE have the power to make arrests for violations of Federal Law. This woman was violating Federal law.

The woman was shot in cold blood not arrested. Does the federal law allow an enforcement agent to intentionally draw fire?