21 minutes ago, bannork said:

ICE behaving like Neanderthals.

So after confirming he was a US citizen, they dumped him off?

But there's no video footage of that.

Are they really arresting random people without proof of who they are?

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

So after confirming he was a US citizen, they dumped him off?

But there's no video footage of that.

Are they really arresting random people without proof of who they are?

He was dumped 8 miles away.

25 minutes ago, bannork said:

ICE behaving like Neanderthals.

ICE can detain citizens by mistake.

But why did this situation spiral out of control? Because he was resisting arrest, right? When a cop decides to arrest you, you need to comply and it won't get violent.

If you are a US citizen and they have made an error, then you can show your paperwork and they will release you.

Either this guy resisted arrest because he is guilty or maybe he panicked.

https://emplawfirm.com/can-a-us-citizen-be-detained-by-ice/

ICE sometimes detains citizens in error. ICE may detain US citizens based on, for example, misidentification, outdated records, or confusion about a person’s citizenship status.

Just now, bannork said:

He was dumped 8 miles away.

Is there any proof of that?

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Is there any proof of that?

https://x.com/i/trending/2010704500630139273

6 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Is there any proof of that?

https://x.com/i/trending/2010704500630139273

Homeland Security read suggestions from the public.

8 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Yes, we saw it because the view was from the side of the car, not the front where he was standing.

The whole "fleeing soccer mom" narrative has been disproven so many times I am sad that you still cling to it. Renee was not surprised by the ICE agents, she was expecting them. The fact that he was masked means nothing. Renee was not scared. She welcomed the contact because it made the video her wife was making more interesting. Bottom line, she interfered with law enforcement, resisted arrest, did not obey lawful orders, and tried to escape justice.

His video is out it is from his perspective it’s plane as day her cutting hard right in an attempt to flee .at best this is a (bad shooting) he should be at a bare minimum be fired and lose any pension benefits he may have accrued.Instead this abomination of an administration sends more thugs to try to foment more unrest and incidents…..to what end hummm???

19 minutes ago, bannork said:

https://x.com/i/trending/2010704500630139273

But the prior footage shows him being manhandled.

But it doesn't show if he attacked an agent or resisted arrest.

If you have footage of the entire arrest prior to the takedown, please do post it. Otherwise, it's speculation as to what happened.

Or any footage of ICE agents violently taking someone down for no apparent reason. Usually, it's when people get hostile. But if you have footage, go for it.

All the sudden the left is all about state's rights.

11 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Her wife also is responsible because she was agitating the officers. She was more confrontational than Renee, and this made the officers nervous prior to the car moving.

Everyone’s responsible except the killer who shot the woman in the face three times?!

1 hour ago, Tug said:

he should be at a bare minimum be fired and lose any pension benefits he may have

This is the best thing you have ever said in here as part of the conversation on AN.

A good debateable idea with no name calling etc.

Nice.

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Yes, it's media manipulation bs.

Police protocol is the only issue that matters. Whether he followed protocol or not.

That’s not entirely correct.

If it were, the fact he placed himself in front of the car would have already wiped out any claims of self defense.

There are number of other salient issues:

Was he paying attention to the evolving situation, or was he otherwise distracted (criminally negligent homicide).

What was his state of mind, did he harbor hatred towards his victim (malice aforethought)

Was he fit to be in duty that day, perhaps suffering PTSD.

(Supervisory culpability).

Was he under the influence of drugs or alcohol? (Criminally negligent homicide).

The DOJ rules (protocols) on vehicle stops and on ‘deadly force’, provide multiple options and multiple prohibitions.

How the DOJ consider the compliance to protocol is an internal DOJ matter, the courts have to option to take far wider issues into consideration, examples above.

35 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

All the sudden the left is all about state's rights.

All of a sudden the right have abandoned their long standing practice of ranting about ‘States Rights’ and the excessive power of the Federal Government over Citizens.

The barriers to prosecuting or suing Ross in both the criminal and civil courts

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s not entirely correct.

If it were, the fact he placed himself in front of the car would have already wiped out any claims of self defense.

There are number of other salient issues:

Was he paying attention to the evolving situation, or was he otherwise distracted (criminally negligent homicide).

What was his state of mind, did he harbor hatred towards his victim (malice aforethought)

Was he fit to be in duty that day, perhaps suffering PTSD.

(Supervisory culpability).

Was he under the influence of drugs or alcohol? (Criminally negligent homicide).

The DOJ rules (protocols) on vehicle stops and on ‘deadly force’, provide multiple options and multiple prohibitions.

How the DOJ consider the compliance to protocol is an internal DOJ matter, the courts have to option to take far wider issues into consideration, examples above.

Absolutely there should be an investigation into the shooting, as there is in ALL law enforcement shootings. If it turns out he broke policy and so on, he should be punished accordingly. But this is different from a criminal case.

2 hours ago, bannork said:

'Things get out of hand'.

For gawds sake, Renee spoke softly, waved on cars to pass her, her friend indulged in mild banter.

The driving- reversing and then pulling away to the right to drive away was hardly earth shattering.

The agent was trigger happy and committed murder.

Resisting arrest and attempting to flee arrest are crimes in any jurisdiction. When given a lawful order to get out of a vehicle, you get out of your vehicle. It is not the time for debate, or worse, escape. And "her friend" shouting "DRIVE BABY DRIVE!!" was hardly mild banter.

The agent's actions will be judged both criminally and professionally.

2 hours ago, bannork said:

He was dumped 8 miles away.

Because you were there correct ?

or you're stuck back in some shthole in the UK living on TH forum , oH !!!!

30 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

All of a sudden the right have abandoned their long standing practice of ranting about ‘States Rights’ and the excessive power of the Federal Government over Citizens.

But not law and order, the right is still for it, and the left against it.

And unlike the left, the right does now, and has always understood the supremacy clause.

The left is calling for the state National Guard to forcibly remove ICE. Think about that.

The left wants open borders and mass migration.

4 hours ago, save the frogs said:

makes no difference what type of person she was.

either the shooting was justified based on police protocol or it wasn't.

It was 100% justified

This was a simple case of :

She F'd around

&

Found out

16 hours ago, Yagoda said:

No I have plenty LOL. You keep giving it hahahahahah

All you have is your commie attitude............😒

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

But not law and order, the right is still for it, and the left against it.

And unlike the left, the right does now, and has always understood the supremacy clause.

The left is calling for the state National Guard to forcibly remove ICE. Think about that.

The left wants open borders and mass migration.

I’ve never EVER known anyone wanting open borders ever nope nada zip not a one that’s nonsense at best what it is in reality is a lie.furthermore who wants mass migration?who?keep in mind the person occupying the White House is a convicted felon who had deep pockets and fights hard to not face the cases that are against him because when the PROOF and the FACTS are presented he LOSES.so spare us the law and order nonsense we know what he is.

15 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Absolutely there should be an investigation into the shooting, as there is in ALL law enforcement shootings. If it turns out he broke policy and so on, he should be punished accordingly. But this is different from a criminal case.

It is indeed different, and not yet a criminal case.

A criminal case might, for example, require the medical examination the agent was given at the hospital to be submitted as evidence.

Was the agent tested for drugs and alcohol, if so what were the results, if not, why not?

There are two paths to a criminal trial, indictment on Federal charges handed down by Federally empaneled Grand Jury, and Indictment on State charges handed down by a State empaneled Grand Jury.

The fact that the FBI and DOJ have excluded the State from the investigation and are withholding evidence from the State is suggestive of the FBI/DOJ/Administration’s reluctance to transparently and even handedly investigate this killing.

Statements made by Trump, Noem and others are suggestive of this reluctance being driven by the President.

Conversely those prejudicial statements made by the President and members of his cabinet are admissible to courts in the legal challenges that will arise to obtain the release to the State of evidence held by the Federal Government.

11 minutes ago, NickyLouie said:

It was 100% justified

This was a simple case of :

She F'd around

&

Found out

Thank Buddha you're not a lawyer.

It doesn't work like that, kiddo.

51 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Was he paying attention to the evolving situation, or was he otherwise distracted (criminally negligent homicide).

This case has a lot of issues.

Cops are supposed to have body cams. The fact that he was recording with a cell phone is a distraction. And what was he doing in front of the car? That does not seem like proper protocol.

If I was a defense attorney, I would claim criminal negligence.

14 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

An ICE agent is a federal law enforcement officer, same as the FBI for exmaple.

Still protecting the executioner, I see............🥴

14 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

No, she pointed a 4,000 pound vehicle at him. And don't start with the "but the tires were pointed..." nonsense. There was no way Ross could see the tires from his position in front of the car. Plus, he would be paying attention to the driver, not the tires.

There is something wrong with you.............😬

31 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Resisting arrest and attempting to flee arrest are crimes in any jurisdiction. When given a lawful order to get out of a vehicle, you get out of your vehicle. It is not the time for debate, or worse, escape. And "her friend" shouting "DRIVE BABY DRIVE!!" was hardly mild banter.

The agent's actions will be judged both criminally and professionally.

Not entirely correct:

There are a host of legitimate reasons why an individual might refuse to leave a vehicle when ordered to do so by a law enforcement officer, these include but are not limited to:

• Fear of one’s own life.

• The ‘law enforcement officer(s)’ has not provided ID.

• The law enforcement officer(s) are behaving aggressively.

• The law enforcement officer(s) are giving conflicting instructions.

• The law enforcement officer(s) have no jurisdiction over the individual.

  Essentially, obeying the ‘orders’ of a ‘law enforcement officer’ is a ‘qualified’ requirement not an ‘absolute’ requirement under law.

26 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

But not law and order, the right is still for it, and the left against it.

And unlike the left, the right does now, and has always understood the supremacy clause.

The left is calling for the state National Guard to forcibly remove ICE. Think about that.

The left wants open borders and mass migration.

While you amuse yourself with your imaginary world, the rest of us will discuss the actual events this thread is referring to.

10 hours ago, NickyLouie said:

She is not missed by those of us who understand what she was

Are you absolutely certain that her family, her wife, her relatives and her three

you're def older and def weaker but just so typical of the horrible libs who plague USA .

It was an awful lot of hatred in that one post of yours, you should be quite proud of yourself or mimicking the hatred and division of your political master. Dark hearts seem to be on the same wavelength.

13 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Her wife also is responsible because she was agitating the officers. She was more confrontational than Renee, and this made the officers nervous prior to the car moving.

Officers are trained to deal with situations like this, and making an officer nervous is certainly not cause for the officer to commit cold blooded murder.